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Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5323	Posted - 2014.09.22 12:58:00 - [1] - Quote https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 426	Posted - 2014.09.22 12:59:00 - [2] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. What reason do you need to shoot 50% faster than someone else?
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 975	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:00:00 - [3] - Quote If the pilot-stacking can't be fixed in a hotfix, this would seem to be the best fix available. Too bad it punishes solo ADS pilots more than the stackers... Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5323	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:01:00 - [4] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: If the pilot-stacking can't be fixed in a hotfix, this would seem to be the best fix available. Too bad it punishes solo ADS pilots more than the stackers... This is on top of fixing ADS stacking, since he's said before that that would be addressed in Hotfix Delta. Echo 1991 wrote: What reason do you need to shoot 50% faster than someone else? Missile rate of fire with no skill bonus is extremely slow. Among other things this would completely remove the ability of a solo Python to effectively engage tanks, especially shield tanks thanks to the penalty against shield. Also, I'm not sure if anyone has tried taking a Python against an Incubus, but having your ADS skill up for that 40-50% bonus is the only way to win a fight against one with how effective Small Railguns are. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 579	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:02:00 - [5] - Quote Holy crap I have a chance to return fire against skilled pilots. Maybe now basic drop ships won't be used as attack platforms. Lonewolf till I die
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5323	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:07:00 - [6] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Holy crap I have a chance to return fire against skilled pilots. Maybe now basic drop ships won't be used as attack platforms. Is this with Militia Swarms or are you actually using Wyrkomi Swarms? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Michael Arck 5689	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:10:00 - [7] - Quote Honestly speaking Im not mad. Gives me reaction time. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1538	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:11:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Holy crap I have a chance to return fire against skilled pilots. Maybe now basic drop ships won't be used as attack platforms. Is this with Militia Swarms or are you actually using Wyrkomi Swarms? With the increased health and fitting of the basic DSs, people would be stupid to risk a good Swarm fit, might as well ram. With the health on Grimsnes, hell, you'll probably smash a Python and continue flying. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2425	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:17:00 - [9] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. This reduction with a 50-100% survivability increase would make sense. Right now dropships are offensive platforms... That kill most things in 1-3 shots... Kill most vehicles in one volley... And the balancing method to that? Allow them to take 2-4 shots and they die. Instead of having mobile spawning platforms and rewarding pilots for troop transport... And allowing them to provide somewhat sustained cover fire without having to run away after taking a hit. Would do nothing but improve everyday DUST gameplay.. Currently the way Dropships work currently are as glorified Fighters. All gank and no tank... It's one of the biggest WTF's in the game. Red-lining would barely be a thing if dropships where actually used how CCP advertised them.
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 976	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:21:00 - [10] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. Where did you hear that they were fixing the pilot stacking? I was under the impression that this couldn't be fixed in a hotfix update. On a side note: just saw the proposed range for swarms...my poor, poor Maddy! Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen

Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5324	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:21:00 - [11] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. This reduction with a 50-100% survivability increase would make sense. Right now dropships are offensive platforms... That kill most things in 1-3 shots... Kill most vehicles in one volley... And the balancing method to that? Allow them to take 2-4 shots and they die. Instead of having mobile spawning platforms and rewarding pilots for troop transport... And allowing them to provide somewhat sustained cover fire without having to run away after taking a hit. Would do nothing but improve everyday DUST gameplay.. Currently the way Dropships work currently are as glorified Fighters. All gank and no tank... It's one of the biggest WTF's in the game. Red-lining would barely be a thing if dropships where actually used how CCP advertised them. Most vehicles in one volley? Ever tried taking on even a basic Soma with no reps or a Hardener? Even with the damage bonus against armor it'll take me at least 2 full magazines with every missile hitting to actually get the kill, and that's pretty hard to pull off when they start moving and snapping backwards and forwards to throw off your aim. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7712	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:26:00 - [12] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. Where did you hear that they were fixing the pilot stacking? I was under the impression that this couldn't be fixed in a hotfix update. On a side note: just saw the proposed range for swarms...my poor, poor Maddy! You are probably misunderstanding that, it's maximum and it is being kept the same as before. This is not lock on range, nothing should change in Swarm to HAV engagements. For the record, we are not addressing stacking in this Hotfix. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 976	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:27:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Most vehicles in one volley? Ever tried taking on even a basic Soma with no reps or a Hardener? Even with the damage bonus against armor it'll take me at least 2 full magazines with every missile hitting to actually get the kill, and that's pretty hard to pull off when they start moving and snapping backwards and forwards to throw off your aim. That may be true...but you don't have to worry the tank being able to fire back at you. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12276	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:27:00 - [14] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. This reduction with a 50-100% survivability increase would make sense. Right now dropships are offensive platforms... That kill most things in 1-3 shots... Kill most vehicles in one volley... And the balancing method to that? Allow them to take 2-4 shots and they die. Instead of having mobile spawning platforms and rewarding pilots for troop transport... And allowing them to provide somewhat sustained cover fire without having to run away after taking a hit. Would do nothing but improve everyday DUST gameplay.. Currently the way Dropships work currently are as glorified Fighters. All gank and no tank... It's one of the biggest WTF's in the game. Red-lining would barely be a thing if dropships where actually used how CCP advertised them. 100% survivability increase? Are you high? Skilled dropship pilots already laugh at swarms, you want to make them completely useless? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 581	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:29:00 - [15] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Holy crap I have a chance to return fire against skilled pilots. Maybe now basic drop ships won't be used as attack platforms. Is this with Militia Swarms or are you actually using Wyrkomi Swarms? Don't know if saxonamish is skilled but... Triple damage mod prof 5 proto swarms, running av since last winter. Scored a shipload of damage points but he still managed about 10-15 kills, without losing his ads. I was the only av but I swear I could hear him from his ads laughing. Skilled pilots will not die by swarms. On the other hand I've solo'd 4 ads's in one round. New pilots make for fun times. Lonewolf till I die
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1539	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:33:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. Where did you hear that they were fixing the pilot stacking? I was under the impression that this couldn't be fixed in a hotfix update. On a side note: just saw the proposed range for swarms...my poor, poor Maddy! You are probably misunderstanding that, it's maximum and it is being kept the same as before. This is not lock on range, nothing should change in Swarm to HAV engagements. For the record, we are not addressing stacking in this Hotfix. So, Skill stacks will be the way to go.. I see how it is. Good thing I have some people that just got an extra 3 Million SP. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1699	Posted - 2014.09.22 13:54:00 - [17] - Quote 3% per level!? That's a huge nerf!? I was playing in a maxed out Python with missiles the other day and I honestly did not see what was overpowered about them in the slightest. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Atiim 12395	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:00:00 - [18] - Quote LAVs should get the 10% RoF bonus. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1540	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:02:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: LAVs should get the 10% RoF bonus. Yea, that's what we need, Heavies trolling around in Railgun LAVs, but with faster fire... If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5324	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:03:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking. Where did you hear that they were fixing the pilot stacking? I was under the impression that this couldn't be fixed in a hotfix update. On a side note: just saw the proposed range for swarms...my poor, poor Maddy! You are probably misunderstanding that, it's maximum and it is being kept the same as before. This is not lock on range, nothing should change in Swarm to HAV engagements. For the record, we are not addressing stacking in this Hotfix. So the nerf to Rate of Fire is a stopgap, or intended to treat some other supposed issue? I just encountered a 3x Missile Python, forced them to switch to a 3x Rail Incubus, and then used a Laser Rifle on the gunners until they all gave up and pulled Heavy suits. I did that pretty much by myself. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Atiim 12395	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:10:00 - [21] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Atiim wrote: LAVs should get the 10% RoF bonus. Yea, that's what we need, Heavies trolling around in Railgun LAVs, but with faster fire... In order to use LAVs with a 20GJ Railgun or Small Missile, you need to be in an open field. If you are in an open field, you're practically a guarranteed kill for an semi-decent AVer who happens to grace your sights. Not only that, but even the most tanked out Sentinels will be succeptable to Sniper Rifles in Hotfix Delta. Given the fact that they can't escape engagements in seconds like a Python or Incubus, this would be balanced. Risk = Reward The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Atiim 12395	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:16:00 - [22] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: So, Skill stacks will be the way to go.. I see how it is. Good thing I have some people that just got an extra 3 Million SP. Skill stacking with gunners will being you to +30% RoF at most, which is the current Operation III Feel free to waste your friend's SP The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 751	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:26:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Atiim wrote: LAVs should get the 10% RoF bonus. Yea, that's what we need, Heavies trolling around in Railgun LAVs, but with faster fire... In order to use LAVs with a 20GJ Railgun or Small Missile, you need to be in an open field. If you are in an open field, you're practically a guarranteed kill for an semi-decent AVer who happens to grace your sights. Not only that, but even the most tanked out Sentinels will be succeptable to Sniper Rifles in Hotfix Delta. Given the fact that they can't escape engagements in seconds like a Python or Incubus, this would be balanced. Risk = Reward As someone who does solo LAV frequently I think you're a bit off base with your assumptions. A solo railgun LAV can easily find positions around the map that allow him to engage a number of exposed enemies while keeping himself more or less safe from enemy fire. All you really need is some cliff face or building to stick the backside of the LAV around and that will provide all the cover you'd need from any of the relevant AV that could see you coming. Hear swarms? Jump back in the drivers seat and dodge them for the duration. Now activate your hardener and pop your head back out and you can gun down the swarmer before he can get another lock and volley out. A well fit LAV (ie. not the blood raider sagas) is not nearly as fragile as you make them out to be. And if you're using the sniper as an example then a LAV driver could absolutely escape sniper rifle fire. All I really need to be able to do is tank the first shot, when I see my health drop I jump back in my drivers seat again and drive away. Frankly the solo (railgun) LAV is the very definition of a style of play that, with practice, can be done with very little risk to the pilot. And giving them the former Assault Dropship bonus? I'm a huge fan of the idea of LAV variants being re-added to the game but something like this would mean the complete annihilation of all other vehicles on the field. Dropships would be completely denied from an AV platform that is nearly as mobile as they are, Tanks would become sitting ducks, and AV/Infantry wouldn't stand much of a chance in hell given the mobility and power of the platform. Compared to a Dropship an LAV has a LOT more options in terms of cover to effectively avoid enemy AV. No, 10% is too much for something as difficult to destroy as the LAV.
poison Diego Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 422	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:28:00 - [24] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. What reason do you need to shoot 50% faster than someone else? BECAUSE I SPECED 2,5 mill SP FOR IT U F*CKTARD
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2653	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:30:00 - [25] - Quote 3%? Are you freaking serious? The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4654	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:34:00 - [26] - Quote Sweet, just in time for me to drop all that SP from my alt into ADS. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1540	Posted - 2014.09.22 14:47:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: So, Skill stacks will be the way to go.. I see how it is. Good thing I have some people that just got an extra 3 Million SP. Skill stacking with gunners will being you to +30% RoF at most, which is the current Operation III Feel free to waste your friend's SP He's at 67 Million and already has ADS up a bit, so, I think he'll be fine. I've noticed you like to single me out all of a sudden. I left you alone after your assholery months ago that screwed over Minmatar Assaults, so, go troll someone else. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 323	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:38:00 - [28] - Quote And with 1 change you made ADS useless. I thought the AB nerf and buffed swarms would have beeing balancing enough but appearently you need to swing the nerfbat onto everything that benefits ADS. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2126	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:41:00 - [29] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. What reason do you need to shoot 50% faster than someone else? What reason do you need vehicles nerfed and AV buffed in the same hotfix? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2961	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:56:00 - [30] - Quote poison Diego wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous. What reason do you need to shoot 50% faster than someone else? BECAUSE I SPECED 2,5 mill SP FOR IT U F*CKTARD And this is the lamest reason ever. Balance > Your SP output



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