BECAUSE I SPECED 2,5 mill SP FOR IT U F*CKTARD

What reason do you need vehicles nerfed and AV buffed in the same hotfix?

ADS was just that OP my ass. I've never seen you fly ever, what the hell would you know about ADS. and even if you did fly, how many PC's have you flown in? I've flown and rang for more corps as an ADS more times than I've jerked it. How long were you flying? I've been flying ever since I started the game back in chrome. It's my bread and butter, and I've been driven broke four times doing the one thing CCP made enjoyable in this Godforsaken game.

I'm not about to let a bunch of tin foil noobs who don't know anything about taking out an ADS other than "lock on" and "release" dictate something I specced more than 2/5 of my SP into and ruin the fun I have with it.

And while we're here, who's the guy who recommended a 35% decrease to the ROF skill? Is this tard going to also say that having our AB modules reduced by this much is a great idea, along with our ROF nerf? Is he also the genius that proposed an increase to our AB active time?

After seeing all this crap proposed, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that all but one person on the CPM and whoever is working for CCP knows a damn thing about ADS and how they operate, and that one guy we haven't seen hide nor hair of. Hell, Zatara actually got me into a squad with Logibro to discuss ADS nerf and AV buff. That just goes to show nobody active on your damn board knows anything about actually balancing us.

It's the pilots.

There is nothing in this game that requires more skill to use than an ADS. It's not even close.

Untrue, you can use kin cats to run away.

You can also skill into a minmando, which I must've stated for the umpteenth time to fight the aggressor, unless it's an HMG, but there's no way to realistically expect any suit that isn't a heavy to kill it.

I've been called OP for quite a while, you just don't hear it. The idea that I have more movement than you is simply because I'm an aerial vehicle, I'm supposed to have more freedom of freedom of movement than you, that does not mean that you, as an AV user, are completely constricted to one area, you just choose to stay near your nanohives. I've flown in PCs, pubs, and FW's and 99% of all AV have never been more than 30 meters away from their hives. You CAN put Kin cats on your suits and move around, 99% of AV just choose not to.

And the only backing argument I could possibly agree with you on the mobility issue is the over forgiving flight ceiling, let's too many noobs get away from situations where they should be dead.

ADS are OP, but it's ridiculous you think these changes will keep people interested in ADS as a craft competitive wise, or for fun.

With proper strategy, positioning, and teamwork, yes.

It's literally right in front of you yet you can't see itGǪ

He does, but that's why he's not the only CPM member. Checks and balances lead to a better game, and in this case, Rhadamanthus =/= Soraya.

I think the changes to ROF are a bit extreme when considering the Python, but perhaps justified for the Incubus. I would have left the Python alone and cut the Incubus in half. (I'm a dedicated PC Incubus pilot, so make of that what you will)

Nerfing the ships Pilots fly for the sake of Pilots? You're a lying piece of crap.

Not in a trolly to much edge kind of way, but having the ******* to spew that bullshit....

Spotting an ADS isn't terribly hard. Look for the huge shadow, look up once in a while, listen for the rather loud engine. Unless it's directly above your head (you can still see the shadow and hear it) or firing from over 100m up (in which case you aren't rendering and the pilot has to just guess where you are and get lucky), you'll always see them. If you're equipped with AV, you'll always get the first shot if the pilot is unaware of your presence.

If you flew, you'd realize just how big of a problem the rendering is. Mystery damage, invisible swarms, invisible rail shots, invisible forge shots, flat out WRONG hit indicators if they even show up at all (using which way you were knocked is a better hit indicator, seriously). Being in an ADS vs AV is like trying to fight a Scout that can fire without breaking cloak half the time.

Thanks for the tip Breakin Stuff. My Python tends to go boom when I land to set up uplinks sometimes though (usually from a railtank I hadn't seen 250m away), and I like actually being able to defend myself if the Python is blown up or I get jumped while trying to set/clear uplinks. It's saved my skin many times while letting me continue to do my uplink thing.

If I confine myself to the cockpit only though, I can see that being helpful.

wow, you really are an idiot.

Never said you couldn't kill a minmando without an HMG, I said you couldn't kill an HMG without an HMG (in a proper 1v1 that is).

I've been sick for about a week. Sometimes treating that includes painkillers. Mostly Acetaminophen, because it's in DayQuil. I took an Ibuprofen last week though at one point.

"If it doesn't require teamwork to operate, it shouldn't require teamwork to kill"

PLEASE remember that a dropship is an extra piece of equipment, a vehicle, that is brought into the match by a player. It cannot be equal in force to the other players who are only carrying what their dropsuits can hold.

Also while you are preparing one, somewhere safe to get in the air, others are instantly spawning on objectives via uplinks. While flying around and escaping death, you are useless to your team. Even a new player can help distract the ennemy or provide cover fire for others. The truth is, every moment a dropship pilot is trying to save his ISK he is seriously hurting the team. My point with the above paragraph is balance in a tactical game like dust should NOT be 1 v 1, but by what each team can accomplish. a team of dropship pilots cannot hack objectives.

The chess analogy is an excellent one. A pawn can capture a queen, but a pawn is no rook or bishop. Also you can have many pawns but only 2 knights in a match. Team vehicle resources would've been better balance then trying to make them "equal" to infantry.

On a completely seperate note, I wouldn't have minded as much if the rate of fire skill for ADS was actually BUFFED and they removed the gun from the pilot seat. Get more gunner/pilot combos out in the sky.

The other part of it is that swarms are being buffed so that they can sometimes maybe actually hit ADSes on occasion.

Similar to solo tankers, ADS pilots playstyle is that of both moving and firing at once. This is a somewhat OP role design (I complain about this a lot), but I'm just saying, ask Derrith how he'd respond if CCP took his gun away instead.

They should. Because they should have someone doing the moving and someone doing the firing. Solo vehicles of any sort should die horribly, IMHO. Which is why a single player shouldn't be able to do both at once.

Lets be quite clear, you are very bias here Xel. Proto stompers have been and continue to be superior to most on the battlefield purely because they can run proto dropsuits with full proto fits with total disregard for any amount of isk lost. Regularly I see admitedly good players lose 3,4,5+ proto suits game after game. I doubt they are sustainable but because they have crazy tons of isk they have no worry.

How is that any different?

I'd rather just increase the RoF of all turrets by 15%, and then give ADSs a different bonus.


Everyone is capable of posting feedback, therefore everyone has equal control (which is none) and influence over what happens to vehicles (or AV).

The reason why the Pilot's demands aren't being met is because there's about 2-3 of them who's ever asked for something that isn't so ridiculously broken & biased that it borders on comedic parody.