Nerfing the ships Pilots fly for the sake of Pilots? You're a lying piece of crap.

Not in a trolly to much edge kind of way, but having the ******* to spew that bullshit....

Spotting an ADS isn't terribly hard. Look for the huge shadow, look up once in a while, listen for the rather loud engine. Unless it's directly above your head (you can still see the shadow and hear it) or firing from over 100m up (in which case you aren't rendering and the pilot has to just guess where you are and get lucky), you'll always see them. If you're equipped with AV, you'll always get the first shot if the pilot is unaware of your presence.

If you flew, you'd realize just how big of a problem the rendering is. Mystery damage, invisible swarms, invisible rail shots, invisible forge shots, flat out WRONG hit indicators if they even show up at all (using which way you were knocked is a better hit indicator, seriously). Being in an ADS vs AV is like trying to fight a Scout that can fire without breaking cloak half the time.

I'm somewhat in agreement here.

As a AV primary, if an Python kills me with the small missile launcher, odds are I was being clawed by a cat, or distracted by something shiny.

But dat goddamn incubus... JEEBUZ!

again, if it doesn't require teamwork to operate, why should it require teamwork to kill?

Nerfing the ships Pilots fly for the sake of Pilots? You're a lying piece of crap.

Not in a trolly to much edge kind of way, but having the ******* to spew that bullshit....

It is a good indicator, but it is not definitive. For instance, Scrambler Rifles are not underpowered, but you don't see them as much because they take more skill to use. Buffing them would make them OP.



Kincats will not save me from an instakill shotgun. What instakills you?



I read this line as: I'm OP because I'm supposed to be OP.

Thanks for the tip Breakin Stuff. My Python tends to go boom when I land to set up uplinks sometimes though (usually from a railtank I hadn't seen 250m away), and I like actually being able to defend myself if the Python is blown up or I get jumped while trying to set/clear uplinks. It's saved my skin many times while letting me continue to do my uplink thing.

If I confine myself to the cockpit only though, I can see that being helpful.

No need to charge for reimbursements, Derrith, when it's impossible for you to die. =)

He does, but that's why he's not the only CPM member. Checks and balances lead to a better game, and in this case, Rhadamanthus =/= Soraya.

I think the changes to ROF are a bit extreme when considering the Python, but perhaps justified for the Incubus. I would have left the Python alone and cut the Incubus in half. (I'm a dedicated PC Incubus pilot, so make of that what you will)

No need to charge for reimbursements, Derrith, when it's impossible for you to die. =)

Yeah but Rhadamanthus provides facts and evidence, Sorya you dont provide anything, why dont you ask new pilots how they feel about nerfing rof since youre speaking on behalf of them? A new pilot biggest worry isnt other dropships its av, im a 20 mil+ dropshipper, i know this sht like the back of my hands.You can ask me anything.

Whether you're trolling or just an idiot, that's not the way I expect my CPM to behave.

wow, you really are an idiot.

Untrue, you can use kin cats to run away.

You can also skill into a minmando, which I must've stated for the umpteenth time to fight the aggressor, unless it's an HMG, but there's no way to realistically expect any suit that isn't a heavy to kill it.

I've been called OP for quite a while, you just don't hear it. The idea that I have more movement than you is simply because I'm an aerial vehicle, I'm supposed to have more freedom of freedom of movement than you, that does not mean that you, as an AV user, are completely constricted to one area, you just choose to stay near your nanohives. I've flown in PCs, pubs, and FW's and 99% of all AV have never been more than 30 meters away from their hives. You CAN put Kin cats on your suits and move around, 99% of AV just choose not to.

Not gonna lie dude, you need to take some Midol.

I'll agree with that. But ADS was the one thing that kept me playing this game because I had so much fun doing it. I'm going to back away from this thread now, I've said my piece, I'm out.

Never said you couldn't kill a minmando without an HMG, I said you couldn't kill an HMG without an HMG (in a proper 1v1 that is).

I'll agree with that. But ADS was the one thing that kept me playing this game because I had so much fun doing it. I'm going to back away from this thread now, I've said my piece, I'm out.

Not gonna lie dude, you need to take some Midol.

I was talking to Soraya

I've been sick for about a week. Sometimes treating that includes painkillers. Mostly Acetaminophen, because it's in DayQuil. I took an Ibuprofen last week though at one point.

I've been sick for about a week. Sometimes treating that includes painkillers. Mostly Acetaminophen, because it's in DayQuil. I took an Ibuprofen last week though at one point.

High doses of vitamin c powder. Or just get orange juice w lots of pulp. Has to be pulp the other stuffs just sugar water. Or get some food grade h2o2 if you have the time, havent been sick for about 2 years now since taking both.

PLEASE remember that a dropship is an extra piece of equipment, a vehicle, that is brought into the match by a player. It cannot be equal in force to the other players who are only carrying what their dropsuits can hold.

While flying around and escaping death, you are useless to your team.

On a completely seperate note, I wouldn't have minded as much if the rate of fire skill for ADS was actually BUFFED and they removed the gun from the pilot seat. Get more gunner/pilot combos out in the sky.

"If it doesn't require teamwork to operate, it shouldn't require teamwork to kill"

PLEASE remember that a dropship is an extra piece of equipment, a vehicle, that is brought into the match by a player. It cannot be equal in force to the other players who are only carrying what their dropsuits can hold.

Also while you are preparing one, somewhere safe to get in the air, others are instantly spawning on objectives via uplinks. While flying around and escaping death, you are useless to your team. Even a new player can help distract the ennemy or provide cover fire for others. The truth is, every moment a dropship pilot is trying to save his ISK he is seriously hurting the team. My point with the above paragraph is balance in a tactical game like dust should NOT be 1 v 1, but by what each team can accomplish. a team of dropship pilots cannot hack objectives.

The chess analogy is an excellent one. A pawn can capture a queen, but a pawn is no rook or bishop. Also you can have many pawns but only 2 knights in a match. Team vehicle resources would've been better balance then trying to make them "equal" to infantry.

On a completely seperate note, I wouldn't have minded as much if the rate of fire skill for ADS was actually BUFFED and they removed the gun from the pilot seat. Get more gunner/pilot combos out in the sky.