Because ADS was just that OP. o_O

That being said, there's also a benefit in ensuring newer pilots and more veteran pilots aren't 50% damage different. It's harder to balance for such a wide swing of capabilities. Namely that with such a wide variance of rate of fire, either the newbie will be useless or the veteran will be overpowered. With a smaller difference in the skill bonus, the entire class is easier to balance for.

Ok, if we dont know anything about ADSs, explain why a RoF nerf is bad and how it stops you from performing your role. As for the Swarm side of things, every ads that isnt flown by a moron just ABs away after the first swarm and comes back 10 seconds later fully repped.

And yet it's cool for you to farm infantry kills with little to no recourse.

What, balance should be predicated on the enemy team having another ADS, or a forge gunner who's been focused on forge guns since Beta to take you down?

Where does the parity begin and the one-sided victory engine end?

Swarms may require less skill to fire, but they're an incredibly crippled weapon. They can only fire if you're in an incredibly short lock range, and since they're the only weapon in the game that cannot kill other infantry, swarm players are extremely vulnerable at all times on the battlefield. Coupled with their wimpy amount of damage they do on the rare occasion they hit your dropship... yeah.

I do not have a test server, nor am I a game developer. CCP tests the hotfixes though.



If it doesn't kill you, it might not be buffed enough. Dropships should actually die sometimes. Shocker, I know.

Suggesting teamwork says the vehicle pilot who doesn't need teamwork to top the scoreboard. That's the inherent problem of vehicles: They allow a single player to be powerful enough to require teamwork to take them down, while requiring no teamwork on their part.

He is very good about revisiting fixes that go too far or not far enough.



Swarms die a lot. It's easy to blow through 2 mil ISK in proto swarms just trying to *deter* and be unable to kill, a single ADS. It's ridiculously expensive, and we get nothing for it. Yes, ADS should kill most infantry, but they should die to AV. Vehicles > Infantry > AV (which die to infantry a LOT) > Vehicles. That's your triangle.

When you see AV on the field, you should be coordinating with infantry on your team to clear the way for you. The problem is, your notion that your class as a force multiplier simply means you should be better than players who chose a different class. I am all for teamwork. So why doesn't the ADS require teamwork?

Derrith, you're still talking about being "locked off from an area".

Have you ever, you know, "died"?

Now, on the opposite, consider that as a swarm launcher user, I can be instakilled anywhere by a shotgunner, HMG, combat rifle, nova knifer, or of course, your ADS. I have no way to rapidly leave the area faster than any other class in the game.

Do you have any idea of just how ridiculously OP you are? The idea that you can leave an area of engagement until someone takes care of the threat is a luxury no infantry, and certainly no AV has.

It is a good indicator, but it is not definitive. For instance, Scrambler Rifles are not underpowered, but you don't see them as much because they take more skill to use. Buffing them would make them OP.



Kincats will not save me from an instakill shotgun. What instakills you?



I read this line as: I'm OP because I'm supposed to be OP.

No need to charge for reimbursements, Derrith, when it's impossible for you to die. =)

Untrue, you can use kin cats to run away.

You can also skill into a minmando, which I must've stated for the umpteenth time to fight the aggressor, unless it's an HMG, but there's no way to realistically expect any suit that isn't a heavy to kill it.

I've been called OP for quite a while, you just don't hear it. The idea that I have more movement than you is simply because I'm an aerial vehicle, I'm supposed to have more freedom of freedom of movement than you, that does not mean that you, as an AV user, are completely constricted to one area, you just choose to stay near your nanohives. I've flown in PCs, pubs, and FW's and 99% of all AV have never been more than 30 meters away from their hives. You CAN put Kin cats on your suits and move around, 99% of AV just choose not to.

Not gonna lie dude, you need to take some Midol.

It was tough figuring out where to start, but I guess I'll give it a go.

@Thread

The RoF reduction was indeed necessary, as it'll bring the TTK to a time that actually makes sense (my alt only has Caldari ADS Operation Level III and I can still drop most suits in less than a second, including PRO ones.

I also find it funny how Pilots forget (more like omit) the fact they have a skill which increases the damage of their Turrets, giving XT-1s 500HP of damage. The only thing that you should have even the slightest bit of trouble killing with that is a tanked out Caldari Sentinel, but you can easily escape their range in seconds (HF Delta won't change that either).

@Derrith Erador

"Dropships Aren't OP"

The ability to kill any Dropsuit within <3s from a mid-long range engagement (50-75m), along with being able to remove yourself from the area the instant any threat arrives with 0 recourse or consequence for an indefinite period of time is indeed overpowered.

It removes the risk involved with operating an ADS, and is significantly disproportional to the risk involved with operating an Anti-Vehicle weapon.

"Use Kinetic Catalyzers"

They don't compare to the efficiency of the Afterburner. The most a KinCat will ever yield (on a MinCom) is +0.78m/s, bringing your Sprint Speed to 7.03m/s. Considering how ADSs have a base movement speed of 50m/s, they'll be running circles around you (not saying that MinComs should be as fast as 59m/s.

When you also take into account that 7.03m/s isn't fast enough to escape any engagement (beyond being pitted against a Sentinel w/SG or NKs), your comparison is so laughable that it makes me begin to question your credibility.

Not only that, but KinCats are completely impractical to fit, as to use them without ruining your AV fit you need to use a PG Extender, in which case you'll have no buffer (making you lunch to any ADS Pilot with a light investment), or have no Armor Repair, making your buffer useless.

"Assault Dropships Require Teamwork"

You must've never looked at the definition of require.

After extensively experimenting and flying ADSs myself I can confirm that the only thing about it that requires teamwork is skill stacking. You can operate every aspect of the aircraft without the need for intervention or assistance from an ally, along with 1v1 most AVers.

"Pilot's Are Just Skilled"

Yes, I'm sure sprinting to the flight ceiling every time something that as much as breathes at you, along with slaughtering entire group of people by looking in their general direction requires skill. Heck, even surviving 20GJ Particle Cannons are that difficult if you stay out of the FOV and have an AB.

Maybe you're referring to the skill stacking bug (which technically does require skill), but after my tests I can confirm that most of players assertions of ADSs being difficult are wild exaggerations.