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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 14:34:00 -
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Sweet, just in time for me to drop all that SP from my alt into ADS.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:03:00 -
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I'm guessing that it's a big enough hit that you just won't see them much anymore.
It's too expensive and in a competitive environment they are going to get eaten alive while not being able to perform very well.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 17:51:00 -
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I don't understand how people are saying AV is underpowered. I've been a vehicle hater since before it was cool.
I bring out AV and kill stuff, then I'm pissed that I'm stuck in my AV suit.
And ADS is sorcery, I haven't spent much time trying to do it but it appears to be impossible for mortals to hit anything with them. I consider ADS pilots proof that we aren't alone in the universe.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 17:53:00 -
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I think everyone should refrain from jumping off of anything though. Rattati has shown to tweak tweaks if he doesn't get them right.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:15:00 -
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I wreck ADS and tanks with my Mando and it's only at ADV (swarms Prof 2)
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 19:22:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:@Derrith and other ADS pilots
I've given up arguing with Soraya Xel and Atiim and the other AV zealots out there.
They clearly have no idea what they're talking about. They think we're some invincible entity that cannot be killed by any means and that they're some hapless soul carrying some pathetic peashooter constantly being bullied by our OP fly-ie things.
They have no desire for balance at all. Soraya has even said any swarm should kill any ADS as much as an ADS can kill a swarmer. They're just closed-minded sore-losers that can't see the actual viability of the weapons they have.
Does the ADS need a nerf? Sure, a bit. But these guys don't care about balance. They just have a hard-on about nerfing ADSs. I'm still going to fly post-Delta, and I'm going to make the most of it. If they're still viable, I'm going to show these idiots that it's not the ADS's that are OPGǪ
It's the pilots.
I'd always though Soraya was pretty level headed, but I have to agree on this issue he's dead wrong.
Swarms should be a deterrent to smart ADS pilots or the role is dead. That is as simple as it gets.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 19:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:
It's the pilots.
That's how it should be. When the pilots, not the equipment are the things people should be terrified of, then we have achieved. When it's the AV gunner, not his gun that people are wary of, we have achieved. When it's the tank driver, and not his armor that people fear, we have achieved. When we get all three, we have balance.
I think we are already there in pubs. I think vehicles are a touch UP to be honest and I'm 100% infantry. You can search my posts, I've come close to blowing my top in regards to tanks in the past.
I just don't see where such a drastic nerf is necessary, ESPECIALLY when they are buffing swarms. I don't think it's a good idea to nerf anything vehicle related if buffing AV at all.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 19:31:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:They have no desire for balance at all. Soraya has even said any swarm should kill any ADS as much as an ADS can kill a swarmer. They're just closed-minded sore-losers that can't see the actual viability of the weapons they have. How is an AV being able to kill an ADS, and an ADS being able to kill an AV not balance, Vulpes? You don't seem to know what the word "balance" means. This would be the definition of balance: "a condition in which different elements are equal or in the correct proportions:" But you're staunchly opposed to ADS and AV having equal abilities to kill each other.
If you cripple the ability for the ADS to escape AND nerf it's ability to kill then you've killed the role.
With the buff to swarms and the nerf to afterburners it is just simply a bad idea to more forward with this nerf.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 19:43:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thor, if the players won't play the role if it's balanced, is that an excuse to keep it overpowered? Where's my escape button? I want an escape button that makes my swarm suit able to completely avoid any threat to it whenever I choose.
If people don't use it then it's not balanced. I guess time will tell.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 19:51:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Thor, if the players won't play the role if it's balanced, is that an excuse to keep it overpowered? Where's my escape button? I want an escape button that makes my swarm suit able to completely avoid any threat to it whenever I choose. If people don't use it then it's not balanced. I guess time will tell. That doesn't make any sense. Balance is where a class is equally able to counter other classes. It has nothing to do with whether or not players are playing them. If vehicle users can't handle playing a game where they're balanced against other players, then they won't handle it, but it doesn't mean they should be able to roll over everyone else just so they're happy.
I think overuse is a good indication that something is OP and underuse is a good indication that something is UP.
If this wasn't the case then FOTM wouldn't be such a widely used and understood acronym.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 20:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think overuse is a good indication that something is OP and underuse is a good indication that something is UP.
If this wasn't the case then FOTM wouldn't be such a widely used and understood acronym. It is a good indicator, but it is not definitive. For instance, Scrambler Rifles are not underpowered, but you don't see them as much because they take more skill to use. Buffing them would make them OP. Derrith Erador wrote:Untrue, you can use kin cats to run away. Kincats will not save me from an instakill shotgun. What instakills you? Derrith Erador wrote:I've been called OP for quite a while, you just don't hear it. The idea that I have more movement than you is simply because I'm an aerial vehicle, I'm supposed to have more freedom of freedom of movement than you I read this line as: I'm OP because I'm supposed to be OP.
There is nothing in this game that requires more skill to use than an ADS. It's not even close.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 20:18:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
There is nothing in this game that requires more skill to use than an ADS. It's not even close.
This is not a reason to make it better than literally every other thing in the game.
Do you really think ADS is better than anything other thing in the game?
I think it is in a FEW players hands. But when thinking back to some of the amazing slayers in this game I would have LOVED it if I could make them run off for a minute every other minute. Hey Kalante, run off now and come back in a minute or so after I've hacked this point.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 20:23:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:CamClarke wrote:I'd be fine with being killable by one swarmer if I could ever see them. I'd be nice if ADSes appeared on my minimap before they were ten meters away too. ;) Thor Odinson42 wrote:Do you really think ADS is better than anything other thing in the game? It really is.
I get killed my Gal Scouts with REs and SGs or Cal Scouts with CR at least 100x more than I get killed by ADS.
I have killed FAR more ADS than I've been killed by.
I don't think I'm alone in this. It seems like you just have a unhealthy hatred for ADS.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 21:22:00 -
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Not gonna lie dude, you need to take some Midol.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.22 21:33:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Not gonna lie dude, you need to take some Midol. I'll agree with that. But ADS was the one thing that kept me playing this game because I had so much fun doing it. I'm going to back away from this thread now, I've said my piece, I'm out.
I was talking to Soraya
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