He is a little bit sensitive isn't he?
he's reacted that way several times in this thread.

but yeah, you have to keep in mind the entire playerbase. Not just a few people that agree with each other on the forums.
and that message was more so for you CCP because I know you'll read this eventually.

I am negotiating with some inhouse people to make this a reality. Don't know yet how possible/feasible this is.

Sad. This thread has managed to suck out any joy the original idea had given me.

"Dumb it down, I don't think the people who have no knowledge of anything lore related would understand" - this isn't really a valid position because it's really being used to prop up an argument from ignorance, it's essentially saying "I don't understand it, so I don't like it, instead lets use names that aren't accurate because they have less of a burden of knowledge". Force feed people the lore, give them the titles they may not necessarily understand at first and maybe they'll do a little bit of research and go 'wow! this is really cool, it really expands my understanding of [faction]'.

Wouldn't be the first time the "average playerbase" around here has managed to ruin a good idea.

If anyone has any doubt that CCP will ere on the side of lore rather than what passes for 'average' for you lot, look at the Chronicles. Read some of the books. If nothing else, just take a good, hard look at New Eden. There is a reason systems aren't named "Swirly Planet Place" and why ships aren't called "Shoot boat things."

Maybe it doesn't occur to any of you because you lack any amount of creative thinking, but when you are building a deep and diverse world like New Eden good enough just isn't good enough.

I think you are vastly over estimating the willingness of the Dust player base to get onto a computer and put time into researching Dust related lore. Sure, I'm sure that there are a few members of our community who would be spurred into reading the mythos of the EvE universe. Unfortunately I really think that the majority of players just aren't going to care enough to invest the energy. Remember you're talking about a small player base of console players, many of whom have zero connection to EvE beyond what Dust provides.

Many of these players have told me repeatedly that they have no interest in deepening their gaming experience by getting into EvE or even learning more about the EvE lore. They want it simple. They want something connected to the easily digestible elements of the races background which they have gleaned from character creation and have little to no interest beyond that.

It is not that Kirk and I are dumbing anything down or even supporting their ignorance. The ranking systems we want to present need to be perfectly accurate to their races. No, what we are looking for is something that is readily understandable. Ranks in other languages are simply too obtuse to catch most players interest. They will look at those unintelligible words and simply not care at all about what it says leaving them unmotivated to strive for a higher rank.

True's list, which has a strong connection to the Amarran back story and theme is clear, interesting, and has a lot of cool sounding titles. That is what is going to push players towards participation. Bragging and showing off their e-peen through their ranks. Put yourself in their shoes. To a person who hasn't done the translation work which is going to sound cooler: High inquisitor, or +Æ+æ+ò+ö +ö+É+Ö+á+º+ò+ò+Ö+û+Ö+ÿ+ò+¿ (I can't romanize it because my hebrew is rusty and google translate doesn't use vowels. Darn my lack of practice). One sounds like some bad-ass evil priest, the other is totally meaningless.

I'm starting to ramble, but the point is these lists need to be in English, linked to the race in questions culture backbone, and sound aggressive as well as cool.

Quite frankly I don't want ranks any more..... they are pointless anyway.

But they are an important first step. At this point, any new reason to care is a good thing.

Might I suggest you stop making logical fallacies like Reductio ad Absurdum (your Hebrew example) the lists have been presented in 'english', though they may not be words that you're familiar with. Among the other logical fallacies you're making is 'argumentum ad populum' with wonderful things like "well most dust players don't care about this!", if they 'don't care' why are you considering their opinion? Remember, these are supposed to be forum titles (though who knows, maybe one day they'll show up in legion) and they'll likely have an option to be disabled, if you never go on the forums it doesn't affect you and thus it shouldn't be pandering to you. If you have no interest in the Lore why should we pander to you with stale titles or things that might be 'technically' accurate, but not as accurate as other more involved looks?

Your 'points' are riddled with logical fallacies (strawman's, special pleading, ad hominem and more) and they have been since you showed up and started insulting the hard work of others when you didn't have a damn clue what you yourself were talking about.

You've expressed your opinion multiple times and I'm sure it'll be taken into consideration, but you've also severely dragged the level of this discussion down with your ignorance. At this point all we're doing is going around in circles.

why should we pander to you with stale titles or things that might be 'technically' accurate, but not as accurate as other more involved looks?

You've expressed your opinion multiple times and I'm sure it'll be taken into consideration, but you've also severely dragged the level of this discussion down with your ignorance. At this point all we're doing is going around in circles.

No u m8.

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Seriously, I could cite you the several posts before you showed up where we were being fairly productive as a community, the several posts afterwards where we refuted every one of your points, or the several evelopedia posts that support our choices...

But you seem beyond that point. And by the way, if you haven't figured it out yet Mina is Longstride's alt. You know, the guy running for CPM? Literally the community representative and my personal vote? I'm pretty sure saying he doesn't represent the DUST community is a hopeless argument.

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Seriously, I could cite you the several posts before you showed up where we were being fairly productive as a community, the several posts afterwards where we refuted every one of your points, or the several evelopedia posts that support our choices...

But you seem beyond that point. And by the way, if you haven't figured it out yet Mina is Longstride's alt. You know, the guy running for CPM? Literally the community representative and my personal vote? I'm pretty sure saying he doesn't represent the DUST community is a hopeless argument.

Do you even know what a logical fallacy is?

1) Most people who play eve aren't interested in the lore to the extent that you are.

2) The level your taking it to destroys the value of it for the majority of the player base.

3) CCP should be appealing to the largest contingent of the player community it can.

4) You are not representative of that community and thus need to shut the **** up.

Why should they pander to a disinterested playerbase...On what grounds do you think that you have the authority to tell anyone that their ideas shouldn't stand on their own merit because they "don't represent the terribly disinterested community"?

I don't think they should pander to people who clearly don't really care, there's no point in focusing on a lost cause.

Here, I think you need this

started slinging mud because *gasp* you thought you might have found a weaboo on the internet!

I don't think I'm going to respond to anything else you have to say. You've derailed this completely and the constant arguing because of it has sucked the enjoyment out of the idea for practically everyone, thanks for that.

When did eve or its players ever enter the picture? Oh right, you're an eve player who jumped right on that entitlement bandwagon and now you spend a great deal of time whining and complaining about dust and 'wasted sub money' and god knows whatever else perceived slight you've managed to get into your head.

As I and others said to you the other day when you were gloating about the name hecatonchires, you're the only person I've ever met who is dumb enough to try and take credit for something they have no involvement in. You aren't the origin of greek mythology nor are you responsible for the names of the greek titans and you're about as 'cool' the kids who name themselves 'naruto' and ride on the coattails of someone elses work by trying to stand in the shadow of whatever glory it might have had. Of course you might already know this if you were actually capable of having or recognizing an original thought Evicer.

Why don't you go back to being terrible and irrelevant at eve Evicer. Loving all the lossmails you have on Armaeus Hellbrecht.

I mean I understand it's hard to recognize thought, care and research put into things like names and you'd love to have it dumbed down to the boring, generic and incredibly overused ranking systems of call of duty which were made easily digestable for people just like you. Because how dare a dust player ever have a nicer sounding title than what you could get in eve! I mean "dust bunnies" don't even *do anything* for eve players.

In summary, all I have to say, is go be irrelevant and terrible elsewhere, Maybe go try to lose another failfit abaddon in lowsec. Oh and if you weren't so terrible to interact with, you might actually be able to guess who my alts are without donning a tinfoil hat and sounding like an idiot.

I've replaced a word in this next quote just to demonstrate how silly your argument is.


And yet we still have all the amazing lore and backstory that bubbles to the surface, to those that aren't interested the bhaalgorn is just another shiptype and the state shokuro buke is just another NPC, wormhole space and incursions are just another place to try to make money, but for people that actually are interested in the lore it can mean a lot and presents a wonderfully rich universe to explore.

When did eve or its players ever enter the picture? Oh right, you're an eve player who jumped right on that entitlement bandwagon and now you spend a great deal of time whining and complaining about dust and 'wasted sub money' and god knows whatever else perceived slight you've managed to get into your head.

As I and others said to you the other day when you were gloating about the name hecatonchires, you're the only person I've ever met who is dumb enough to try and take credit for something they have no involvement in. You aren't the origin of greek mythology nor are you responsible for the names of the greek titans and you're about as 'cool' the kids who name themselves 'naruto' and ride on the coattails of someone elses work by trying to stand in the shadow of whatever glory it might have had. Of course you might already know this if you were actually capable of having or recognizing an original thought Evicer.

Why don't you go back to being terrible and irrelevant at eve Evicer. Loving all the lossmails you have on Armaeus Hellbrecht.

I mean I understand it's hard to recognize thought, care and research put into things like names and you'd love to have it dumbed down to the boring, generic and incredibly overused ranking systems of call of duty which were made easily digestable for people just like you. Because how dare a dust player ever have a nicer sounding title than what you could get in eve! I mean "dust bunnies" don't even *do anything* for eve players.

In summary, all I have to say, is go be irrelevant and terrible elsewhere, Maybe go try to lose another failfit abaddon in lowsec. Oh and if you weren't so terrible to interact with, you might actually be able to guess who my alts are without donning a tinfoil hat and sounding like an idiot.

I also add that while on comms no one has ever pronounced my corp name correctly nor knew what it meant or while i explained gave a ****, and as a blow to my own ego for creating it . If the name Hecatonchire was so badass (excluding the fact Im an *******) then why has no one ever joined it.

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Seriously, I could cite you the several posts before you showed up where we were being fairly productive as a community, the several posts afterwards where we refuted every one of your points, or the several evelopedia posts that support our choices...

But you seem beyond that point. And by the way, if you haven't figured it out yet Mina is Longstride's alt. You know, the guy running for CPM? Literally the community representative and my personal vote? I'm pretty sure saying he doesn't represent the DUST community is a hopeless argument.

Stop ruining my thread

Improve My Plasma Rifle and Ion Pistol and I'll leave you alone. Of course I will do so, realizing I will be banned if I don't

So, about those rankings?
Any Progress?