An idea I had was to show LP standings as a forum tag. If anyone is interested in helping me make a cool lore case, please reply to this thread like this:

I see the caldari as the imperialistic era of Japan if that helps :|

You greatly misunderstand the caldari if that's all you think there is to them. You're so wrong it isn't even funny.

Well I was cautioned by Arkena to be nice to the people in this thread but I'll throw that **** to the wind now.

Mobius is pretty spot on. Like I said before, there's more to look at than one tiny factor of the empires. You're going to have to know a little bit of history both real world history and New Eden Lore to properly have a grasp at what's going on.

Arkena, do I have permission to stop playing nice now?

I suspect I have more knowledge of the Japanese culture than you might.

I don't have more time to actually properly dismiss this right now, but I'll see about getting around to it.

It's incongruous to the point of being jarring when you try to toss out Italian names for a race that has zero connection to anything Italian

10: Monster O God *hellsing reference*
9: Templar
8: Paladin
7: Holy Knight
6: Saint
5: Missionaries
4: Under Marshal
3: Sergeant Brothers
2: Turcopoles
1: Standard Bearer

1.) Initiate/ Acolyte
2.) Paladin
3.) Exalted Paladin
4.) Templar
5.) Templar Lieutenant
6.) Legate
7.) Imperial Inquisitor
8.) Imperator Cardinal
9.) Ecclesiarch
10.) Divine Captain of the Imperial Guard or Scutariorum Imperatrix

And yet I point you to galm fae's post about language.

Cool opinion bud. It's nice to see you step away from being overwhelmingly condescending and insulting for a minute, to simply being mildly condescending. You aren't the only source of feedback that the names have been presented to, the vast majority have reacted very positively towards it especially when given a side by side comparison and a little bit more explanation. You're entitled to your opinion, but it isn't an objective fact.

I have little inclination to believe you're not being 'condescending' when you enter a discussion flinging insults and attacks on the character of others ('dime store understanding'). Things like that flavor whole conversations.

"Dumb it down, I don't think the people who have no knowledge of anything lore related would understand" - this isn't really a valid position because it's really being used to prop up an argument from ignorance, it's essentially saying "I don't understand it, so I don't like it, instead lets use names that aren't accurate because they have less of a burden of knowledge". Force feed people the lore, give them the titles they may not necessarily understand at first and maybe they'll do a little bit of research and go 'wow! this is really cool, it really expands my understanding of [faction]'.

Wouldn't be the first time the "average playerbase" around here has managed to ruin a good idea.

If anyone has any doubt that CCP will ere on the side of lore rather than what passes for 'average' for you lot, look at the Chronicles. Read some of the books. If nothing else, just take a good, hard look at New Eden. There is a reason systems aren't named "Swirly Planet Place" and why ships aren't called "Shoot boat things."

Maybe it doesn't occur to any of you because you lack any amount of creative thinking, but when you are building a deep and diverse world like New Eden good enough just isn't good enough.

Might I suggest you stop making logical fallacies like Reductio ad Absurdum (your Hebrew example) the lists have been presented in 'english', though they may not be words that you're familiar with. Among the other logical fallacies you're making is 'argumentum ad populum' with wonderful things like "well most dust players don't care about this!", if they 'don't care' why are you considering their opinion? Remember, these are supposed to be forum titles (though who knows, maybe one day they'll show up in legion) and they'll likely have an option to be disabled, if you never go on the forums it doesn't affect you and thus it shouldn't be pandering to you. If you have no interest in the Lore why should we pander to you with stale titles or things that might be 'technically' accurate, but not as accurate as other more involved looks?

Your 'points' are riddled with logical fallacies (strawman's, special pleading, ad hominem and more) and they have been since you showed up and started insulting the hard work of others when you didn't have a damn clue what you yourself were talking about.

You've expressed your opinion multiple times and I'm sure it'll be taken into consideration, but you've also severely dragged the level of this discussion down with your ignorance. At this point all we're doing is going around in circles.

why should we pander to you with stale titles or things that might be 'technically' accurate, but not as accurate as other more involved looks?

You've expressed your opinion multiple times and I'm sure it'll be taken into consideration, but you've also severely dragged the level of this discussion down with your ignorance. At this point all we're doing is going around in circles.

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Seriously, I could cite you the several posts before you showed up where we were being fairly productive as a community, the several posts afterwards where we refuted every one of your points, or the several evelopedia posts that support our choices...

But you seem beyond that point. And by the way, if you haven't figured it out yet Mina is Longstride's alt. You know, the guy running for CPM? Literally the community representative and my personal vote? I'm pretty sure saying he doesn't represent the DUST community is a hopeless argument.

Why should they pander to a disinterested playerbase...On what grounds do you think that you have the authority to tell anyone that their ideas shouldn't stand on their own merit because they "don't represent the terribly disinterested community"?

I don't think they should pander to people who clearly don't really care, there's no point in focusing on a lost cause.

Here, I think you need this

started slinging mud because *gasp* you thought you might have found a weaboo on the internet!

I don't think I'm going to respond to anything else you have to say. You've derailed this completely and the constant arguing because of it has sucked the enjoyment out of the idea for practically everyone, thanks for that.

I've replaced a word in this next quote just to demonstrate how silly your argument is.


And yet we still have all the amazing lore and backstory that bubbles to the surface, to those that aren't interested the bhaalgorn is just another shiptype and the state shokuro buke is just another NPC, wormhole space and incursions are just another place to try to make money, but for people that actually are interested in the lore it can mean a lot and presents a wonderfully rich universe to explore.