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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:46:00 -
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So here's me attempting to sell my list of easy to digest Caldari ranks while folding in ancient Bushido tradition, corporate jargon, and napanii conjugation every now and again.
I) Shaatei (Lowest ranking member. IE "Ensign Ricky.") II) Nit+ìhei (Equal to a Private) III) Goch+ì (Corporal) IV) Guns+ì (Sergeant) V) S+ìch+ì (Sergeant Major) VI) Chuigun (Lieutenant) VII) Taiikugun (Captain) VIII) Sh+ìsa (Major) IX) Taisa (Colonel) X) Taish+ì (General)
Above that would be Dai-Gensui but that would have to be a Grand Marshal on par with a commander-in-chief. I assumed that a typical hired grunt wouldn't be able to ever reach that level without deep corporate ties and sponsorship and is probably better left to NPCs who operate the Peacekeepers themselves. (And frankly it conflicts with the already preexisting napanii/caldari word for forget, so it would clash with pre-existing lore.)
Now if you need to drop the lines over the Os to make it more practical that would be gucci, but I assure you there is a method to all of this madness. Certain traditional ranks have been modified to be one word based from two-word rankings used in Japan during the industrial era. I figure that gives it a nice fusion between Nordic and Asiatic syntax, while at the higher echlons like Shosa are shortened since the term used for 'officer' is implied.
Before anyone asks: Yes, I post in the IGS. Yes, I have a lot of free time.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:56:00 -
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By all means I could make a much more practical list, but I needed to at least try to make something super-duper lore-friendly that could one day be considered canon.
A merc can dream!~
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.10 02:08:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:By all means I could make a much more practical list, but I needed to at least try to make something super-duper lore-friendly that could one day be considered canon.
A merc can dream!~ ITS GALM! Who!? Where? Me? Oh!
Good to see you again too!
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.10 20:00:00 -
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Alright, I've been at it again and here is my idea of how Republic rankings would go. If you can't guess it, it is heavily based off old viking titles.
I) Svein Initiate II) Republic Thrall III) Drengr IV) Hersir V) Thegn VI) Sturaesman VII) Alfr VIII) Draugr IX) Einherjar X) Grand Jarl
I don't really specialize in Matari at all, I just figured I'd give it a shot.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.10 20:35:00 -
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Actually, the literal translation is "again-walker." They are described as:
""The will appears to be strong, strong enough to draw the hugr [animate will] back to one's body. These reanimated individuals were known as draugar. However, though the dead might live again, they could also die again. Draugar die a "second death" as Chester Gould calls it, when their bodies decay, are burned, dismembered or otherwise destroyed."
If that isn't a good parallel to a life as a cloned soldier, I don't know what is.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.10 23:35:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Galm Fae wrote:Alright, I've been at it again and here is my idea of how Republic rankings would go. If you can't guess it, it is heavily based off old viking titles.
I) Svein Initiate II) Republic Thrall III) Drengr IV) Hersir V) Thegn VI) Sturaesman VII) Alfr VIII) Draugr IX) Einherjar X) Grand Jarl
I don't really specialize in Matari at all, I just figured I'd give it a shot. I'd swap some of them, with Einherjiar taking 10th spot, Draugr being moved down a bit further and Grand Jarl being just below Einherjiar. edit, just read your description of draugr, Jarl should be below that. Sounds like a plan. With this in mind:
1) Svein Initiate 2) Republic Thrall 3) Draugr 4) Drengr 5) Hersir 6) Thegn 7) Sturaesman 8) Alfr 9) Grand Jarl 10) Sanmatar Einherjar
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.11 00:47:00 -
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I like that. A lot!
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.11 01:19:00 -
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Ah, reading back over this I just noticed your footnotes.
Drengr are consider made members of Nordic society that have proven themselves battle-ready. Above that are the Hersir, who issue orders to fellow raiders much like a sergeant. Those two should be placed above thrall but below sturaesman.
Alfr is one I would consider replace for another. It means Elf, which seems somewhat fitting for a soldier that can live hundreds of years... I just feel like there is a better alternative. Maybe Grendel or Beowulf.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.11 02:12:00 -
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Agreed. I'll give it a shot to produce an alternate Peacekeeper Hierarchy.
1) Shaatei (Lowest Ranking Member) 2) Ashigaru (Foot soldiers of Feudal Japan) 3) Shogun (Ancient Warlords 4) Daimyo (Landowning Noble) 5) R+ìj+½ (Highest Ranking in their group) 6) Kugy+ì (Most powerful men in a court) 7) Ry+½jin (Dragon Lord) 8) Baku (A dream eating beast. Also means 'strike' in Napanii.) 9) Oni (The ogre spirit of a dead shogun) 10) Raij+½ (A thunder beast that falls to Earth in a ball of Lighting)
I figure a majority of these words would have been reformatted by the Caldari as ancient Rataa loanwords and changed meaning slightly, just as 'loki' is synonymous with 'freedom' to the Minmatar.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.07.11 02:25:00 -
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Ah, I see what you mean now.
I'm not going to lie, this thread is starting to fry my brain a little bit.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.03 08:22:00 -
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Malleus Malificorum wrote: It is bland.
And Mobius, maybe you're painfully unaware but quite a fair bit of the caldari naming scheme from eve is Japanese. In fact if you looked at the links provided earlier you can see the names of every NPC in the game, the entire npc caldari ship naming scheme is based off of Japanese words usually variations on feudal Japanese soldiers and their equipment. I don't care how you believe the corporations run or should run, you are wrong, everything suggested by Galm and Mina conforms to the naming conventions of eve. It's incongruous to the point of being jarring when you try to toss out Italian names for a race that has zero connection to anything Italian, in fact it just makes your condescending attitude look stupid and woefully uninformed when you cant do enough basic research to get the races naming conventions right.
Quit being a self loathing weaboo, You might not like the Japanese titles suggested or even the non-Japanese ones but they are appropriate and to the point accurate, they stick to the root languages used by the races in their npc names.
Furthermore I like the idea of staying away from non-standard military ranks, because we are immortal mercenaries not part of any existing military organization, so in addition to titles like "general" being painfully ****ing boring and underwhelming they ring particularly hollow due to all of our characters not actually existing within any faction military structure.
Well I had stepped away from this thread for a while and missed a large bulk of the debate which I would have loved to take part in, but thankfully the above post hit the nail on the head. If I could like this a thousand times it still wouldn't do this glorious bastard justice.
Additionally, even MORE of what Adamance said.
Overall, because you may not like the titles that the first dedicated few threw out because they aren't so horribly dull as "captain" don't think you can make up italian surnames and attempt to claim that you know more about the intricate caldari society. To pigeonhole thousands of years of Rata tradition (which is really just an amalgamation of icelandic, japanese, and even some diluted scottish) by focusing on the fact that they are "Ron Pauls wet dream" is shallow-headed thinking that would get you throughly mocked on the EVE side of the IGS.
I live Caldari. I breath Caldari. I sometimes have horribly racist thoughts about the Gallente that I KNOW I shouldn't have, and yet I don't stop them. So please, if you have any questions or even basic consultation on what might be good titles for an organization like the State Peacekeepers, actually consider listing to my fellow statesman. We tend to care a bit more about our culture than you homogeneous group of Matari savages.
Ahhh, always good to know that I can trust the boys from PIE to be there when we need them.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.03 08:43:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Gallente titles. 1) Trophimoi2) Ekdromoi3) Homoioi (covered in spartiate link it means 'peers') 4) Sarissophoroi5) Hoplite6) Spartiate7) Somatophylakes I was tempted to replace this with Hetairoi, but that's a bit of a later period thing. 8) Erinyes9) Gigas10) HekatonkheirMore than willing to take suggestions on these, replace some of the name with other things etc, but I like the progression, you start as someone that is essentially adopted into the federation/military, then after a short time you progress to an equal, and eventually an elite, then a warrior of legend and eventually a being of primordial might. Gigas feels a little weak as a title, and I was tempted to use gigantes but it's noted in the article that they weren't necessary larger than other things, just infinitely more ferocious. Edit: got a little feedback and decided to remove Triptolemus and keep erinyes as it fits with the 'primordial being' theme more.
So this is going to be a double post but I wanted to touch base on this, since I sort of worked my way backwards in posts. For the most part I love these ideas, but there are a few with a bit too many syllables than I am comfortable with. I am not sure where we should swap them out, but up to this point we have sort of gone through a system of making the names then rearranging them until we get something that works.
A few I would like to see that could replace some:
1) Argonaut - This would probably be towards the top, likely as one of the last 'mortal' ranks
2) Gyges - One of the original creatures that joined the Gods to bring down the Titans
3) Aigaion- This one I love. He was the chief Hekatonkheires. Also, it just sounds impressive. I can picture a proud Aigaion-rank commander leading from the front.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.03 09:52:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
3) Dragonaurs - direct lore tie in; bit of a mix of police state strong-arm guys, political / intelligence muscle, action arm for some of Tibus Heth's circle.
Aren't the Dragonaurs viewed as a terrorist group? I prefer the term....
"A Misunderstood, Ultranationalist Society of Altruists and Puckish Rouges."
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.03 19:13:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
I thought even the State presently considered them terrorists?
Why certainly they are... Thanks to all the darn propaganda rallied against them by liberals.
No one wants to be called a Provist these days. -_-
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.04 00:12:00 -
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As I understand it a majority of Amarr language is built from Arabic and Latin, along with Hebrew like Longstride-haani is apparently looking into. Looking at words from those cultures could be a good point in the right direction. Words like Paladin and Legate are honestly good enough but I think we can get a bit more creative than that.
I can make up a list of my own, just to see what people around here think. Though personally I'm tempted to keep debate on Amarr rankings 'in house' with people like PIE, who seem to be die-hard Imperials. I reckon it means more to them than it does to folks like me.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.04 01:08:00 -
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What is crazy about the Amarr is that the more you look into their culture the more muddy the waters get. At first glance you want to apply roman titles, and frankly there is no reason why people shouldn't. It would all be just as viable as Hebrew, and both serve as a good framework to build on.
Then you kind of a have to look beyond that though, and once you do things get complicated fast. The term Paladin isn't a Roman title, but actually references a lower vassal of the Charlemagne Empire closely associated with Frankish tradition and Arthurian legend, which is interesting when you think about it.
What we are basically left with at their very core isn't a Roman structure at all, but a theological covet attempting to increase stability by emulating Roman society and doing a rather horrible job of it, just like Charlemagne. All the while it is supported by an underlying religion that more closely follows that of the beliefs of King Solomon.
So what I am trying to say is...
This is too hard, I give up.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.05 04:31:00 -
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Evicer wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:It isn't being named after your corp. It's being named after the same mythological figure you chose to name your corp after as well. Coincidences happen. So you expect EVE players AKA the people that call us "Dust Bunnies" to call us by these deified titles ? "Dust Bunnies" by the way was never an EVE term. It was a term made by mercenaries who were foolish enough to communicate with capsuleers and call themselves as Dusters due to their incompetency with lore. That or the only EVE players you know are a bunch of basics. Even those that actually use that term don't do it out of lack of ability, but lack of respect.
They don't take mercenaries seriously, and probably justifiably so when you line the average DUST player next to an average EVE player. Maybe formal titles that have a significant amount of thought in them will be a step towards changing that.
Also...
You think I'm Longstride's alt? Seriously? Do you also buy non-fluoridated water and hold your breath when you see a chem trail? The fact that I have a napanii sig just shows that I know my lore. It's not some esoteric language we made up.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:51:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Sad. This thread has managed to suck out any joy the original idea had given me. Wouldn't be the first time the "average playerbase" around here has managed to ruin a good idea.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.06 03:24:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis basically wrote: No u m8.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:52:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:FYI, I never made the claim that I was kevall longstride to Galm, I don't know where he got that idea aside from the similarity of our character names. *coughs and scratches neck*
Similar names. Honest mistake. I was a bit thrown off by a previous comment, sorry. I guess I'll stop trying to be a super sleuth now. (Note to self, never attempt the old "ace-in-the-hole parlor-scene" move on a web forum again.)
Anyway, look, I'm thankful that the Devs stepped in to keep the peace here. Things got out of hand quick and I am fairly certain all parties said something stupid at some point. That being said I think we can all agree to get over it and move on to actually contributing to this discussion.
People are all just so open to shooting down one person's ideas without suggesting a better alternative, which serves to purpose to this thread. Ultimately the choice of which titles are preferred will come down to the development team, and I have already made my case for the more complex titles that were thought up earlier in this thread.
This in mind, I'm going to begin to make a list of some easy to swallow titles. I'd sincerely hope that the men and women in charge will side with quality over just phoning this one in, but if that isn't the case then I'd love to at least develop a system that is true to the lore while not requiring an extraneous amount of divergent thinking.
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