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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7183	Posted - 2014.08.13 05:16:00 - [271] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I like True's and Sgt Kirk's ranks for the Amarr and Gallente, oh and the Minmatar ranks the Caldari on the other hand is fantasy for my liking. True's list was good but I didn't create that list on my own. There a Gallente Loyalist Chat and we discussed and agreed on those rankings. So the Gallente Rankings are backed by the Three most notable Gallente Loyalist on the English forums: Arkena, Cat and Sgt Kirk, of course others like it as well ;) see you space cowboy...
ROMULUS H3X research lab 162	Posted - 2014.08.13 09:06:00 - [272] - Quote LP Forge Guns ...... Ever? FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 741	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:00:00 - [273] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Evicer wrote: The dev asked us for MILITIA FW ranks not what the ranks would be in say The Ministry of Internal Order or what they would be in say Wirkomi's or Kalikiota private security forces.Hes not asking us for names in npc militaries or say what the rank system would Be in the Holfast Syndicate .Which ( jokeingly ) could be "Top Slave Master" A brutor is not going to want a Sebestor name to be rank 10 and vice versa the names must be inclusive of all the bloodlines and there would be arguments there like the ones were having here. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/strengthening-the-link-factional-warfare-in-uprising-1.7/ Minmatar -> Republic Command: Republic Command is something of an oddity in a new order where the Minmatar tribes wield considerable power. In large part the Minmatar military has become fragmented among the tribes but a rump central command remains. The Republic Command has managed to retain control over those units that reported directly to its military council, and the elite nature of many of these forces has allowed the generals of the Command to retain significant influence. So if we use this as our example A Brutor would not join Minmitar FW if the top rank was a Sebsestor name for rank 10. Whether the names coinside with the lore is not the issue nor what he asked given all the bloodlines of new eden would a True Amarr want to join the 24th Imperial Crusade if the top rank was a Ni kunni name. No he would not so it must also coincide with all the bloodline to be inclusive of all of them to get all of them to join for the greater good. I am not saying that these names are not good for some rank in something and that they are not consistent with lore.We also need to look at cultures.Those cultures and there subdivisions. It would be as if the U>S and Chinese army wanted to join together to fight an alien invader and the chinese wanted the name General to be the rank of Private and a Chinese name to be the top rank in the chain. That wouldnt do .SO they'd have to come up with a solution they both liked.We also have to consider that ranks in militaries really have nothing at all to do with deities or monsters.It has to do with 1 guy leads 10 guys. 2 guy leads 100, and all the 1's answer to him. 2 guys answer to 3 guy, who leads 1000 guys.Thats called the decimal ranking system. Through out the ages we just came up with names for them. Thus why they would go with a rank system , and also to reiterate what the DEV asked us to come up with .......Ranks for Faction warfare militia. Not Npc corps. Like the Sanmatar Kelkoons and would they be the same names as the ones for the Company of Marcher Lords. For Gods sake just drop it dude..... we get it already..... with the upmost respect and our recent excursion to the EVE gate in mind.....just let it go...... Wax on Wax off Im going to say whatever I want, for how ever long I want. If you and others can type page upon page to bend their (CCP) ears towards what you want and voice your opinions so can I .Really its not even about that it's this perceived notion that since you and some others "voice" so much that you are some how Represenetives for your factions in all matters. Which is not the case. Just because people pad their likes doesnt mean ** to me Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 58	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:34:00 - [274] - Quote If you want to create page after page of your own ideas, feel free to Evicer. Rattati has asked people to stop creating page after page of negative minded rants about other peoples ideas, which is what you're doing. Either be constructive, or offer constructive criticism. Quit nitpicking. If you want to try and find some way to reconcile the ideas that Galm, Mina and Myself have offered with your own personal ideas like Ceej Mantis has suggested, feel free to. Until then, stop being a ****head and trying to shoot others ideas down with little justification beyond "I don't like it" or "my own tenuous grasp of lore disagrees with this".
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 743	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:08:00 - [275] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: If you want to create page after page of your own ideas, feel free to Evicer. Rattati has asked people to stop creating page after page of negative minded rants about other peoples ideas, which is what you're doing. Either be constructive, or offer constructive criticism. Quit nitpicking. If you want to try and find some way to reconcile the ideas that Galm, Mina and Myself have offered with your own personal ideas like Ceej Mantis has suggested, feel free to. Until then, stop being a **head and trying to shoot others ideas down with little justification beyond "I don't like it" or "my own tenuous grasp of lore disagrees with this". Reading comprehension ..... is what you need and a firm grasp of reality Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 743	Posted - 2014.08.15 06:28:00 - [276] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: I "my own tenuous grasp of lore disagrees with this". 1 Were not angels we're clone tech Jovian tech, bio tech 2 Our suits and weapons were made for ordinary men 3 Were not angels were soldiers.The only difference between us and a normal man is we get up and do it again, and again, and again, 4 If were talking about speed or feats of stamina our clones are taking pills that would kill a normal man after too much use but we dont care because if the heart explodes. we'll get a new body. So the pills are pharmaceuticals. Medical tech 5 When we look at his do we say this is GOD ? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1WlAhDIG444/T4MqSjDWmVI/AAAAAAAAAEY/cLdw_JF0wbE/s400/cow+on+steroids.jpg No we say its a cow on steroids and growth hormones.Normal men would say the same about us. 6 Jumping off of heights doesn't scare us because if we break a bone we'll be in a new body in about 5 minutes. 7 Jamyl would not issue a manhunt for Seraphim (angels) that would be heresy. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=853076#post853076 and by her statement clearly knows we are clone soldiers with implants....TECHNOLOGY 8 Ordinary npc men could join the Imperial Guard or is there only 200 ? 300 ? people in it ? No..... its an army that has normal men in it....... LEGIONS .A normal man may in fact reach the rank 10 position after a long career and he is not seraphim. Im talking about each INSTITUTION as it is in New Eden and within that context. 9 Gallente Im not seeing anywhere in the lore where they name there spec ops or military after greek deities/demigods/monsters https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente#Military exert Black Eagles The Black Eagles are the Federal Intelligence service and report to the President. Their tactics, referred to as protocols, are named with the type of protocol, a symbol, and a number. Protocol Alpha-Three was the protocol executed in the apprehension attempt of Jacus Roden......... huh ? Not seeing any greek references in there. I think its rather hilarious that both EVE and Dust players think that man of the future has lost all reasoning and logic, and that these npc peoples look at technology as magic or something, and Im just not seeing it. Example of a conversation between a EVE player and a certain dust player that I keep hearing. Eve player "a Dreadnought can glass a whole continent.Thats why were better than you Dust ground pounders.Its in the lore" Dust player " A dust char will kill 10's of thousands of people in there career. Its in the stats.Its in the lore" Both " The people of New Eden would call us Gods"......... No they wouldn't.......**** had 6 million people killed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Holocaust_deaths Sub section 4.4 . Was he a God ? No just a man. No god like powers kept him from being found burnt to a crisp. Was he called God. No. JUst a Leader . Just a Chancellor.....just a man. What if I told you there were men that, with a push of a button could turn this whole entire planet, everyone, and everything on it ,into glass and ash and send this planet into a nuclear winter that would last for 200 years ? Would we call him God ? Would we pray to him ? What would we call him ? President of the United States, and the Russian Federation. HMMMM I dont see GOD or anything like that in the word PRESIDENT.I wonder if they have ranks in the military and what those are ? Well lets see....AH The President of the UNited States does have a military rank and guess what it is ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States exert commander-in-chief and Russia's ? Does he have a military rank ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Russia Supreme Commander-in-chief. I guess Putin wanted Sour cream on his I guess. (refering to tacos) Point is do you pray to these men ? Im just saying, as for me, I dont. You know why you dont ? Because they cant kill with a thought, levitate, teleport, read your mind, dont have telekinesis.Cannot reanimate / heal / revive a 100 year old corpse. Can not generate a nuclear explosion with a thought and could not survive one. Just because you can point to some perceived mythos or say WE think they use these words based on some rather questionable reading comprehension of the lore.That you think that they use them and in this context IS the issue. IT does not mean that WE soldiers,instruments of warfare, military Jovian bio TECHNOLOGY. Would be perceived 10 thousand years in the future as gods. Any person in New Eden with enough ISK could have this done to themselves. The dropsuits that we wear were made for normal men. The ships we fly . For normal men..... Jovian tech...The Amarr dont worship the Jovians. Matter of fact we went to war against them. First capsuleer tech was given by the Jovians to the Caldari to fight the Gallente. Everyone in New Eden (Npc common man) knows that Its just technology. That's why in game a pilot would never agree to you having a deified rank. You're just a clone, like them. This whole Idea that "Man" in New Eden thinks that we clones are gods is so utterly ridiculously nonsensical, its astounding. Chuck Norris round house kicks any and all geebs who use "do you read the lore" as the basis for their arguments without proper context or rational. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 67	Posted - 2014.08.15 07:33:00 - [277] - Quote Evicer, you're ranting over all sorts of wild things that were never said or even claimed. Honestly, knock it off. To explain my position again in concise terms: 1) while the organizations we are fighting for may be militaries in their own right, we are not actually part of them, we work for them as mercenaries thus I feel titles of 'responsibility' are inappropriate. 2) As I feel titles of responsibility are inappropriate investigation was done into the linguistic origins of each race (and as individual dialects cannot be pinned down, we're operating off the assumption of a 'common' language for each race) to create the ranks. 3) There's something like half a million capsuleers or so I estimate, there's probably less than 40 000 immortal mercenaries, the power we have to sway ground wars is unbelievable for example - In order to get from rank 9 to rank 10 one needs to win 200 matches (conquer 200 districts) as planets have 24 districts this amounts to having to conquer 8.33~ planets for one rank increase that is in itself a feat of absolutely mythical proportions which I feel justifies the 'supernatural' theme of the 8 9 and 10 ranks (as to get to rank 10 you have to have done something like flipped what amounts to almost 20 planets). No one here has made the claim that our clones are angels, or demons or etcetera, merely that if we were to do something like conquer 20+ planets with sixteen people the perception would be that we are accomplishing unheard feats of almost mythological scale, things that should resonate among their respective cultures as being nothing short of heroism or 'godhood' (y'know that thing that's repeated ad nauseum in eve). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfFKSIqkvM This trailer outright calls one a 'demigod' in it, Is it literal? No, it's a euphemism or an abstraction. Members of the immortal mercenary initiative are demigods every bit as much as capsuleers are. Our titles should be impressive and full of pomp respective to race. There are hundreds of billions of 'mortals' in new eden, there is less than 600 000 capsuleers, there is less than fifty thousand immortal mercenaries - empires are terrified of the potential we possess, we are to be feared, our loyalty should be worthy of myth and scripture.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3985	Posted - 2014.08.15 07:52:00 - [278] - Quote The dropsuits we wear were made for clones not normal men. Clones are 7ft tall, that's something that's very rare for a regular man to be. Scouts have 2 hearts, heavies have 2 spines that are probably reinforced. Amarrian dropsuits connect to the spinal cord during the process of integration that's something that would kill a normal man. Also normal men don't wear power suits that kill them with radiation that's supposed to protect them. Eve pilots are very commonly referred to as Gods since sooner or later you would get your ship blown up but that doesn't matter since it's just isk right? Wrong there are people on that ship that operate it, live on it and even support and have their families life on that ship. There are lore stories backing what I say if you care to search for it. The plasma rifle sets you on fire if you didn't wear protection The Scr, Scp, and Lr instantly incinerate the man using it Rail tech brakes the bones of the user because of its strong kick And minmatar.... well yeah Anyway just stop already no one cares because the topic has been derailed so far off the edge I'd be better to make a new thread. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 745	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:14:00 - [279] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The dropsuits we wear were made for clones not normal men. Clones are 7ft tall, that's something that's very rare for a regular man to be. Scouts have 2 hearts, heavies have 2 spines that are probably reinforced. Amarrian dropsuits connect to the spinal cord during the process of integration that's something that would kill a normal man. Also normal men don't wear power suits that kill them with radiation that's supposed to protect them. Eve pilots are very commonly referred to as Gods since sooner or later you would get your ship blown up but that doesn't matter since it's just isk right? Wrong there are people on that ship that operate it, live on it and even support and have their families life on that ship. There are lore stories backing what I say if you care to search for it. The plasma rifle sets you on fire if you didn't wear protection The Scr, Scp, and Lr instantly incinerate the man using it Rail tech brakes the bones of the user because of its strong kick And minmatar.... well yeah Anyway just stop already no one cares because the topic has been derailed so far off the edge I'd be better to make a new thread. When you go on a cruise ship with your wife do you call the Captain of that ship god ? there are 5000 people on an aircraft carrier in the US Navy. Do they call the Captain of that ship God ? You did see the picture of the cow right ? Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 745	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:19:00 - [280] - Quote Use the same ranks from Eve just remove Commodore and add General for Amarr FW ranks. Ill say it again use all the same ranks EVE side but remove the Nautical names and replace with land based military ranks. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3985	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:58:00 - [281] - Quote Evicer wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The dropsuits we wear were made for clones not normal men. Clones are 7ft tall, that's something that's very rare for a regular man to be. Scouts have 2 hearts, heavies have 2 spines that are probably reinforced. Amarrian dropsuits connect to the spinal cord during the process of integration that's something that would kill a normal man. Also normal men don't wear power suits that kill them with radiation that's supposed to protect them. Eve pilots are very commonly referred to as Gods since sooner or later you would get your ship blown up but that doesn't matter since it's just isk right? Wrong there are people on that ship that operate it, live on it and even support and have their families life on that ship. There are lore stories backing what I say if you care to search for it. The plasma rifle sets you on fire if you didn't wear protection The Scr, Scp, and Lr instantly incinerate the man using it Rail tech brakes the bones of the user because of its strong kick And minmatar.... well yeah Anyway just stop already no one cares because the topic has been derailed so far off the edge I'd be better to make a new thread. When you go on a cruise ship with your wife do you call the Captain of that ship god ? there are 5000 people on an aircraft carrier in the US Navy. Do they call the Captain of that ship God ? You did see the picture of the cow right ? Is that cruise ship capable of flying through space at speed of 1000km? Is it able to destroy a entire city with lasers? Is the captain able to retain his memories after being killed? Is he kept alive in a pod able to navigate space and completely halt the aging of the human body? Is that captain able to process the radial velocity of an interceptor using an afterburner? Is that captain able mine the surface of planets and moons without regulation of the government? Evicer I failing to see what your intentions are in this argument since I've just recently been bothered by your words. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 746	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:54:00 - [282] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Evicer wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The dropsuits we wear were made for clones not normal men. Clones are 7ft tall, that's something that's very rare for a regular man to be. Scouts have 2 hearts, heavies have 2 spines that are probably reinforced. Amarrian dropsuits connect to the spinal cord during the process of integration that's something that would kill a normal man. Also normal men don't wear power suits that kill them with radiation that's supposed to protect them. Eve pilots are very commonly referred to as Gods since sooner or later you would get your ship blown up but that doesn't matter since it's just isk right? Wrong there are people on that ship that operate it, live on it and even support and have their families life on that ship. There are lore stories backing what I say if you care to search for it. The plasma rifle sets you on fire if you didn't wear protection The Scr, Scp, and Lr instantly incinerate the man using it Rail tech brakes the bones of the user because of its strong kick And minmatar.... well yeah Anyway just stop already no one cares because the topic has been derailed so far off the edge I'd be better to make a new thread. When you go on a cruise ship with your wife do you call the Captain of that ship god ? there are 5000 people on an aircraft carrier in the US Navy. Do they call the Captain of that ship God ? You did see the picture of the cow right ? Is that cruise ship capable of flying through space at speed of 1000km? Is it able to destroy a entire city with lasers? Is the captain able to retain his memories after being killed? Is he kept alive in a pod able to navigate space and completely halt the aging of the human body? Is that captain able to process the radial velocity of an interceptor using an afterburner? Is that captain able mine the surface of planets and moons without regulation of the government? Evicer I failing to see what your intentions are in this argument since I've just recently been bothered by your words. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/07/10/dust-514-live-event-mordus-challenge-starts-tomorrow/ Official ] exerts: Cloned soldier,weapon, millions of cloned soldiers. https://dust514.com/events/million-clone-challenge/ Official ] Million-CLONE-challenge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_514 Wikipedia exert: However, the discovery of a specialimplant made it possible to achieve a transfer of consciousness without the use of a capsule, so it became possible to make immortals that were not pilots. Dust 514 players take the role of immortal ground-based soldiers which were created by the military shortly after the implant was discovered. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Jove_Empire_NPC_Corporations https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Genolution_%28NPC_corporation%29 Official ] Jovian corporation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40 @ 4:52 Official ] 315,456,123 Clones destroyed / 5,217,954 Clone self destruct https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tags_for_Security Official ] exert [FACTION] Clone Soldier Trainer: In charge of funds, equipment and locales used in the preparation and deployment of clone soldiers loyal to the faction. [FACTION] Clone Soldier Recruiter: In charge of scouting vulnerable areas - remote planets, isolated outposts, interstellar colonies and other places that hold human life - with the aim of bringing in new recruits for the pirates' clone soldier programs. [FACTION] Clone Soldier Transporter: Responsible for the swift conveyance of clone soldiers to their intended destination. [FACTION] Clone Soldier Negotiator: A fixer who establishes contracts between pirate-trained clone soldiers and those who might employ their services. You are weapon.A piece of Bio tech (clone body) produced in mass quantity, equipped with weapons and suits made in factories, by MEN in those factories.... Your consciousness is allowed to transfer via an Augmentation created by Genolution a Jovian Biotech corp which installs those into the clone body. and if you are referring to this https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Infantry_Gear:Dropsuits So I guess the man that makes the CRU in a factory is our god ? Since the CRU is making us ? You're military technology. Jovian Technology. We're made like LAV's HAV's, and dropships using nano tech. That a man invented. This just how MAN of the future uses clones to wage infantry wars and its becoming common place as all empires are switching over to this tech. We're not gods or demigods we're soldiers. Sorry to break it to you guys. We're just a suped up sports car, mass produced with a nutcased driver behind the wheel, in a race against 16 other cars with nutcases , who arn't afraid to crash them ,and anybody with enough cash can enter the race.... So in conclusion you're a soldier albeit a persistent one made possible by Jovian man made tech. The Amarr would not pray to that. That would be Heresy. and sense they're the only ones in the cluster that do pray... Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 75	Posted - 2014.08.16 05:09:00 - [283] - Quote You're not making the point you think you're making Evicer. Capsuleers are clones as well and they're still referred to as demigods. No one would be worshipping the fact that an individual is a clone, they'd be honoring an individual who delivered 20+ planets to them with an abstract title. The Minmatar would be showing respect to a freedom fighter. The Gallente would be brimming with pride over a freedom fighter. The Caldari would be immortalizing a champion of the state. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 748	Posted - 2014.08.16 05:18:00 - [284] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: You're not making the point you think you're making Evicer. Capsuleers are clones as well and they're still referred to as demigods. No one would be worshipping the fact that an individual is a clone, they'd be honoring an individual who delivered 20+ planets to them with an abstract title. The Minmatar would be showing respect to a freedom fighter. The Gallente would be brimming with pride over a freedom fighter. The Caldari would be immortalizing a champion of the state. You're soldier and they have a parade for you .they dont prostrate them selves and commence to bowing with clasped hands. The next day another cloned soldier takes back those same 20 planets. What is your point ? Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 748	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:10:00 - [285] - Quote Now I could see a government giving boon to a war hero and yes land and title or even Governance within the frame work of those governments. After a long career governments do placate there Generals by doing this or within Democracies these same war heros go on to political careers.I've always said this. julius Ceaser and Napoleon went on to stage coup d'+¬tat's which over threw the perspective government to which they were previously employed..........and that is why we're dangerous.Why the Empires fear us.In that regard. 12 US Presidents were Generals Now what could logically be said that after a player (and there character in game) has participated winning close to 700 battles and taken this much territory for the glory of there perspective Empires. I fully agree to that. Now within the game mechanics this is feasible and explainable from an Rp standpoint. We could say that the level 10 is given governance but all taxes are still received by each Empire and so the player gets no monetary gain from this.CCP could say that we have been awarded this in high sec some where. CCP could also be vague as to where exactly. Leaving it open to the player but no actual mechanic is being affected. So lets look at those titles within the frame work of each Goverment. Working under the assumption that these governments would do this. NOTE: within the context of their governments For the Amarr at level 10 Words that hit me are: Lord, Lord Governor, Divine Governor Level 10 Gallente : Senator, Governor, Legislator as they are a Democracy Please note these titles are in English Now some may say these names are generic. They are intended to be. There are 4 political parties in Gallente politics this leaves the player and the character with the ability to explore there own social political ideologies within the frame work.Also as far as Amarr politics there are differences in opinion as to Holder,liberal Holder , Reclaimers and Simply rich Amarr. Also as afore mentioned a DUST player could do this and pursue his own career in PC and take public contracts.CCP explains that taxes are collected by the STATE"S (no player benefit in mechanics) and if you do this and PC your able to collect your own monies from the Geno sales that you and your corp mates control in Null sec from district owner ship. and Thus what we have here is REAL connection between the 2 games from a political standpoint. Let levels 9 be terms like General ,Commander, Marshal ,,,,and if the players want TITLE as boon then make level 10 something they conveys governance. We could turn the forums of Legion/EvE into a REAL forum where by Legion and EVE players would or could argue with in Character oratory about the direction of there Empires. Political parties could be formed, rivalries,subterfuge and blackmail....... now were talking about a game. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 748	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:21:00 - [286] - Quote mess up Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 31	Posted - 2014.08.17 03:41:00 - [287] - Quote Evicer wrote: Level 10 Gallente : Senator, Governor, Legislator as they are a Democracy . I see, so that's how a democracy works. You kill enough people and they hand you titles. I can make laws now! And to think I thought I had to campaign and stuff. This explains the CPM as well. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 31	Posted - 2014.08.17 04:23:00 - [288] - Quote Joking aside, Evicer, while I applaud you finally coming up with SOMETHING of your own, I dislike the idea of tying power a title of a militia mercenary. I fight for the Gallente, and when the dust settles I pick up my loot, walk to the other side of the battlefield, and fight for the Caldari. I fight for the Amarr, and I do it all without consequence (besides the slight standings loss). It doesn't seem lore worthy to give titles with responsibility to people with no contracts or official loyalties. As immortal mercenaries, we fight for whomever we choose. While I can see fancy title that denotes battle prowess, and even pay grade, I don't see governance as something on our list of rewards. Especially from a company that is merely hired by an empire, rather than Besides, if you define nothing you can make your own backstory without needing certain game performance to back it up. It's way more fun that way. I'd like to see a title that is less hierarchical, and really just a simple title worth nothing more than increased payout and bragging rights. We don't need people who have more time/skill making decisions that change the fate of the galaxy based purely on that merit. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7290	Posted - 2014.08.17 04:35:00 - [289] - Quote @CeeJ Mantis Problem is that we can be more than mercenaries. Not just mercenaries. CCP yet again failed to explain the lore behind this game which leads to people saying what you just said. Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 83	Posted - 2014.08.17 04:44:00 - [290] - Quote Evicer wrote: You're soldier and they have a parade for you .they dont prostrate them selves and commence to bowing with clasped hands. The next day another cloned soldier takes back those same 20 planets. What is your point ? EDIT: As far as a EVE player being a demigod I dont subscribe to that either. Pull your Super cap or Titan into high sec and see what happens.....You'd be blown apart by Concord.....NPC humans You not 'subscribing' to it is irrelevant, As far as the ingame universe is concerned it is a fact. Not liking a fact doesn't mean its not true. Even people who hate the capsuleers or immortal mercenaries maintain a respectful awe for them- and for those that serve their respective empires so well, being viewed as something akin to a saint is appropriate (y'know, we do that in real life - worship people who have died but accomplished amazing things in their life, or stood for important issues. The only difference between 'Saints' and our characters in game, is that permanent death is damn near impossible for our characters). And as the video I linked stated 'You are not alone with such powers'. Just because there's other demigods out there the importance of our actions isn't diminished. And no, functionally we are not 'soldiers'. We're mercenaries - and there's a big difference in those words, because we are independent and free, we choose what we want to do. To quote two things I feel are appropriate : "A man chooses, a slave obeys" and "A hero is just a man who knows he's free". I am not a slave of the Amarr empire, though I choose to fight for it. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.

CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 31	Posted - 2014.08.17 05:09:00 - [291] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: @CeeJ Mantis Problem is that we can be more than mercenaries. Not just mercenaries. CCP yet again failed to explain the lore behind this game which leads to people saying what you just said. And we can do that if we want, but being politicians or officers without any power is just as boring as just having a simple title. We needn't devise systems that don't do anything, and this system is especially inept due to it's limitations. We can allow our imaginations to do that instead. I'd prefer to keep it simple and start with just a name, and when systems arise that better allow for such expansion, then we get back to the drawing board. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7291	Posted - 2014.08.17 05:16:00 - [292] - Quote Once again Immortal Soldiers =/= Mercenary Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 83	Posted - 2014.08.17 05:48:00 - [293] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Once again Immortal Soldiers =/= Mercenary Until we have the ability to choose who we fight for beyond just facwar, with corporate standings towards those we fight for, and this game isn't just a lobby shooter and it has a lot more depth by being able to do so stuff like travel around the universe, we are simply mercenaries. If you want to pretend that you're a 'general' in your own corp, or that you were a 'seargeant' named 'kirk' before becoming an immortal mercenary that's all well and good, but it doesn't apply nor should it apply to factional titles because there is no responsibility associated with them. There isn't any requirement that a standing 6 'seargeant' / 'general' / 'what have you' needs to queue for a facwar match for a match to even show up. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 748	Posted - 2014.08.17 09:13:00 - [294] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: Evicer wrote: Level 10 Gallente : Senator, Governor, Legislator as they are a Democracy . I see, so that's how a democracy works. You kill enough people and they hand you titles. I can make laws now! And to think I thought I had to campaign and stuff. This explains the CPM as well. No your not actually making laws or even making decisions for players.I was just trying to fond some middle ground between people wanting Titles and what already exist Eve side. They have military titles and Im fine with that. As far as Democracies awarding war heroes. Yeah 12 Generals have become president in the US. Heres a link I found on US Congressmen and Senators who have served in the military. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080214052949AAut862 more than 1 hundred by a rough count and that only goes back to 1957 Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 748	Posted - 2014.08.17 09:29:00 - [295] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Once again Immortal Soldiers =/= Mercenary Until we have the ability to choose who we fight for beyond just facwar, with corporate standings towards those we fight for, and this game isn't just a lobby shooter and it has a lot more depth by being able to do so stuff like travel around the universe, we are simply mercenaries. If you want to pretend that you're a 'general' in your own corp, or that you were a 'seargeant' named 'kirk' before becoming an immortal mercenary that's all well and good, but it doesn't apply nor should it apply to factional titles because there is no responsibility associated with them. There isn't any requirement that a standing 6 'seargeant' / 'general' / 'what have you' needs to queue for a facwar match for a match to even show up. You make no sense you defended the idea being called a demigod for page upon page and being Titled as such and then in the next post you argue that were just mercenaries. As for Saints we are not Saints either were killers. Off the top of my head without researching it im pretty sure no Templar was ever canonized. I looked for about 15 minutes and read some articles and Im not finding any record of a Templar being Canonized. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 748	Posted - 2014.08.17 09:46:00 - [296] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: To quote two things I feel are appropriate : "A man chooses, a slave obeys" and "A hero is just a man who knows he's free". I am not a slave of the Amarr empire, though I choose to fight for it. Thank you for proving my point with your own words.Amarr citizens arent going to pray to you, because they're not slaves. When the Amarr conquered the Minmitar they didnt say " You prey to us. We the Amarr people" They attempted to convert them to pray to 'Their " god. The Amarr god of The Amarr religion not The Amarr people. Thats why I say your titles are heresy. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 83	Posted - 2014.08.17 09:51:00 - [297] - Quote Don't cherrypick things I've said to try and misconstrue and twist them into saying things I haven't evicer. You are debating like a ****ing idiot. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 748	Posted - 2014.08.17 18:43:00 - [298] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Don't cherrypick things I've said to try and misconstrue and twist them into saying things I haven't evicer. You are debating like a **ing idiot. . Im not getting angry at all. The only person getting belligerent is you Malleus Malificorum wrote: In any case, for the last 5 or so pages, you haven't bothered to come up with a single original line of discussion or act in the least bit constructive or positive. Post: 282 Im trying to meet people half way that want there FW RANK to be a TITLE that conveys some power in game in a realistic way Malleus Malificorum wrote: You've just been whining that you don't like what other people have created and tantrumed about how they should create things that represent your views. More childish goading in an attempt to get me to act as belligerent as your self Malleus Malificorum wrote: I think I'm done conversing with you on any level as you repeat the same pattern of getting angry, then belligerent and abusive, then making some wild (and untrue) claims of how important you are, Yeah Im not seeing a pattern of belligerence in my post. Yours on the other hand. As far as you conversing with me. Thank god, and I wish that were a true statement. Were not talking about me were talking about the game.About names for FW ranks. You need to get back on the subject at hand and give some citation in game as to why we would have name of deities for FW ranks. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Grease Spillett research lab 433	Posted - 2014.08.17 18:51:00 - [299] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: An idea I had was to show LP standings as a forum tag. If anyone is interested in helping me make a cool lore case, please reply to this thread like this: "Standing" - "Honorary Title" Gallente 10 General 9 Lord Marshall ... ... Caldari 10 Chancellor Minmatar 10 Warlord Amarr 10 High Priest etc. I just had a f****** nerd gasm all over my computer. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
MINA Longstrike 1114	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:58:00 - [300] - Quote Evicer wrote: Were not talking about me were talking about the game.About names for FW ranks. You need to get back on the subject at hand and give some citation in game as to why we would have name of deities for FW ranks. No, we are talking about you, because you refuse to discuss things in good nature, you're doing whatever you can to drag things off topic and spout ad hominem about people. As far as 'giving citation', it has been explained repeatedly and in great detail why those names were chosen, you choosing not to take the time to understand another position doesn't mean it has no merit and it certainly doesn't mean it should be explained again. Conversation was good up until you and a few others jumped in here and then it went from "Here's my idea and why I think it has merit" and someone else going "Okay, let me iterate on that or come up with something else" to "DEFEND YOUR IDEA BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORST PIECE OF ** I'VE EVER HEARD FROM THE DUMBEST PERSON I'VE EVER SEEN". One is good natured, the other seeks only to antagonize or ridicule. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.



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