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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.04 08:40:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:When questioned about what the various empires would call their mercenaries months ago, I believe the community came up with the fact that in eve Minmatar naming schemes are done based off of norse mythology, Gallente after Greek, Caldari after animals/Japanese myth, and amarr after religious stuff / knightly orders. Basing it off the concept of 'immortals' in each stated thema, I'll toss these out. Level 10 Minmatar - EinherjiarLevel 10 Gallente - Elysian or HecatonchiresLevel 10 Caldari - Rasetsu (it's kind of migrated from indian culture, but they're ultra-violent deathfeeder type things, unbound by karmic cycle - we're looking at the Buddhist incarnation primarily) Level 10 Amarr - (I'm kind of stumped on this, I want to go with Empyrean, Archon, or Sefrim) The point I'd like to make is to *separate them from military titles*, Immortal mercenaries are creatures of practically mythic might - warriors without peer and we should fall somewhere outside of typical military foundations. We're called in when nothing else will do, when it would be suicide for anyone else to even try - and then we go and achieve the impossible. sounds cool, I am also working on the side on properly naming the racial and the role, inspired by Kagehoshi's old thread i.e. Amarr Sentinel = Dreadnought, Minmatar Logi - Shaman, those kinds of lines. It would be nice to have a cool consistent reference.
As an Avid Amarr FW player I doubt that a Gallente level 10 would want to be named after my corp that is unless they plan on making there names after an Amarr fw corp. Any time any one would do a search it would show my corp and The Lord Marshal an Amarr toon as your Lord savoir and CEO, wait this idea is starting to grow on me.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:34:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:It isn't being named after your corp. It's being named after the same mythological figure you chose to name your corp after as well. Coincidences happen.
So you expect EVE players AKA the people that call us "Dust Bunnies" to call us by these deified titles ?
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:36:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Seriously, as much as I joke about the Amarr some of these comments make me shiver with frustration.
Wait, no, dont like my Comment true. I agree with Mobius.
I just thought the monster of god and other suggestions were...outlandish. you absolutley correct Kirk no Eve player would take some of these titles seroiusly
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:I must say, contrary to my previous crossed out post I am souring on the whole idea of FW ranks being in other languages. While it does lend a diversity to the titles it doesn't really convey the races' values. I like the idea of the Amarran FW ranks being based on something "Crusades" esque as it fits their whole religious zealot backstory. junni jones's ideas are good with the exception of rank 10 which I would prefer to see switched with "Inquisitor" or the like since it keeps more with the overall theme he developed in the list. junni jones wrote:
10: Monster O God *hellsing reference*
9: Templar
8: Paladin
7: Holy Knight
6: Saint
5: Missionaries
4: Under Marshal
3: Sergeant Brothers
2: Turcopoles
1: Standard Bearer
AHahahahahahahahahhaha..... good god I wish people would wise the **** up and read the lore of the Amarr...... still..... 1.) Initiate/ Acolyte 2.) Paladin 3.) Exalted Paladin 4.) Templar 5.) Templar Lieutenant 6.) Legate 7.) Imperial Inquisitor 8.) Imperator Cardinal 9.) Ecclesiarch 10.) Divine Captain of the Imperial Guard or Scutariorum Imperatrix
Trues post is the only one Ive seen in this whole thread that even has a shred of a chance as being accepted.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:00:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:And yet I point you to galm fae's post about language.
You mean your alt , along with Malleus Malificorum your other alt,
Mina Longstrikes sig:Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.06 04:27:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Evicer wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:It isn't being named after your corp. It's being named after the same mythological figure you chose to name your corp after as well. Coincidences happen. So you expect EVE players AKA the people that call us "Dust Bunnies" to call us by these deified titles ? When did eve or its players ever enter the picture? Oh right, you're an eve player who jumped right on that entitlement bandwagon and now you spend a great deal of time whining and complaining about dust and 'wasted sub money' and god knows whatever else perceived slight you've managed to get into your head. As I and others said to you the other day when you were gloating about the name hecatonchires, you're the only person I've ever met who is dumb enough to try and take credit for something they have no involvement in. You aren't the origin of greek mythology nor are you responsible for the names of the greek titans and you're about as 'cool' the kids who name themselves 'naruto' and ride on the coattails of someone elses work by trying to stand in the shadow of whatever glory it might have had. Of course you might already know this if you were actually capable of having or recognizing an original thought Evicer. Why don't you go back to being terrible and irrelevant at eve Evicer. Loving all the lossmails you have on Armaeus Hellbrecht. I mean I understand it's hard to recognize thought, care and research put into things like names and you'd love to have it dumbed down to the boring, generic and incredibly overused ranking systems of call of duty which were made easily digestable for people just like you. Because how dare a dust player ever have a nicer sounding title than what you could get in eve! I mean "dust bunnies" don't even *do anything* for eve players. In summary, all I have to say, is go be irrelevant and terrible elsewhere, Maybe go try to lose another failfit abaddon in lowsec. Oh and if you weren't so terrible to interact with, you might actually be able to guess who my alts are without donning a tinfoil hat and sounding like an idiot.
Just because Klingon is a real language doesnt mean the rest of us are even slightly interested in it. If these translations roughly translate to something like " hunter " please tell me in literal translation a CCP hired Russian interpreter will translate them .... as the base word.? I'll tell you , it would be ******* Hunter. Just because sqwa means woman in Native American doesnt mean we use it. A good Tribal list as an example In English would be Initiate, Scout , Brave, Shaman, Pathfinder, Chieftain, Warrior things of that nature.The list that are used EVE side for Fw are fine just remove Nautical references and make them Land based military terms. IE Captain, Major, Etc. A Caldari List if theyre corporate facist race could be Temporary, Leadman, Foreman, Supervisor, General Manger etc
You need to come up for air nutcase. Just because the Minmatar in lore are tribal doesnt mean a name in Click clack or Swahelee should be used for a lvl 10 Minmatar Fw player ON a English speaking F8ck;ng forum, you absolute Fusk;ing tool
So why dont you and Tatonka (dances with wolves reference) and the rest of the geebs go circle ponfar each other lol
You need to come up for air nutcase. Just because the Minmatar in lore are tribal doesnt mean a name in Click of the San Bushan People or Swahelee should be used for a lvl 10 Minmatar Fw player ON a English speaking F8ck;ng forum, you absolute Fusk;ing tool.
As for Eve yeah Im a noob at it , and you sound like you have an agenda.
So in closing why dont you and Tatonka (dances with wolves reference) and the rest of the geebs go circle ponfar each other in your mothers basement.
Just because and some other tools around here can speak fluently in Tolkien Elvish doesnt mean **** all to the rest of us.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.06 04:47:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Evicer wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:It isn't being named after your corp. It's being named after the same mythological figure you chose to name your corp after as well. Coincidences happen. So you expect EVE players AKA the people that call us "Dust Bunnies" to call us by these deified titles ? When did eve or its players ever enter the picture? Oh right, you're an eve player who jumped right on that entitlement bandwagon and now you spend a great deal of time whining and complaining about dust and 'wasted sub money' and god knows whatever else perceived slight you've managed to get into your head. As I and others said to you the other day when you were gloating about the name hecatonchires, you're the only person I've ever met who is dumb enough to try and take credit for something they have no involvement in. You aren't the origin of greek mythology nor are you responsible for the names of the greek titans and you're about as 'cool' the kids who name themselves 'naruto' and ride on the coattails of someone elses work by trying to stand in the shadow of whatever glory it might have had. Of course you might already know this if you were actually capable of having or recognizing an original thought Evicer. Why don't you go back to being terrible and irrelevant at eve Evicer. Loving all the lossmails you have on Armaeus Hellbrecht. I mean I understand it's hard to recognize thought, care and research put into things like names and you'd love to have it dumbed down to the boring, generic and incredibly overused ranking systems of call of duty which were made easily digestable for people just like you. Because how dare a dust player ever have a nicer sounding title than what you could get in eve! I mean "dust bunnies" don't even *do anything* for eve players. In summary, all I have to say, is go be irrelevant and terrible elsewhere, Maybe go try to lose another failfit abaddon in lowsec. Oh and if you weren't so terrible to interact with, you might actually be able to guess who my alts are without donning a tinfoil hat and sounding like an idiot.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.07 04:47:00 -
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.08 06:02:00 -
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Id also at this point like to add that if you ever Squad-ed with Evicer and Cubbs (CHICAGOCUBSFOREVER) and heard him say over squad comms for example " HECA got a nano ? " or 'HECA get in " "or HECA lets go to Alpha" "Me and HECA got bravo" and didnt know what he was talking about. Thats because HECATONCHIRES BRIAREUS was to long to say so we just went with HECA for comms and he still called me that out of habit. If you didnt know that.That means I predated you.
HightimesSW and Death from Afar were buddies and I started squading with them. We fought hard and then Cubbs came and Bleu Eka, Quackers (sir knight) but squads were 4 at the time and we grind-ed and grind-ed and Cubbs brought over his guy's from Socom, then the merge with Like a Boss.... and the rest is, as we say history.
I was never interested in PC in its regional Lag or waking up at 2 am to fight a Japanese corp when I had to go to work the next day. Cubbs just wanted to play the shooter. Hes always said that. I like the lore and so I created this corp. I switched back to my psn ID as my main and soloed.To this day I admire Hightimes SW ,Death from Afar , And CHICAGOCUBSFOREVER for what they accomplished and still remain friends with Cubbs today.
So in conclusion its not a question of who came first the chicken or the egg or Riding coattails( I know what Naruto is but admittedly never watched an episode) Regarding your belligerent rant .It has never BEEN a question of ME trying to steal YOUR thunder....... SO yes it is a great name yet you try to say by posting drop suit names in some thread and this thread that you reaearched it and that in an epiphany anfd your immense knowledge of the lore you and whomever came up with it and you should get some credit for that. Well Im sorry. IT was already here,as we've seen in the threads I have provided written on my alts.
If CCP does go with Hectonchire and you think that you may in the future try some dubious underhanded sabotagery ( OH NO  ) once the corp has changed over to Gallente FW, and link this thread to try and point out that I was In Amarr FW on this character you may do so at your leisure.You may point out That I was a closed beta vet a squad mate comrade basically a founding member in this game, of one of the most successful PC corp in the history of this game TeamPlayers, again you may.
You may also bite down on the curb, kick rocks , and get on my level. Because in Life I keep the philosophy of Kat Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.09 05:46:00 -
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:Jesus Christ Evicer. No one cares, It's done, let it go.
So i come home last night an this guy is in a channel called Amarr OOC and he just starts up how Im a fking whinner and and fking idiot and " evicer wants us to have stupid American military names like captain" So I sit there listening to this nerd rage just shaking my head.Not saying a word as this guy tries to goad me continuos insults.I told him to take it to the forums. SO here we go.Time to apparently educate and shut down the rampant Neckbeardery.
1st off American military ranks were adopted from the British, and Europe.
2)The British Empire went on to conquer most of the known world (some of us) live in. Hence why English is spoken in most of the world.
3) Around the end of the 16th century, companies were grouped into regiments. The officers commissioned to lead these regiments were in fact called colonels (column officers). They were first appointed in Spain by King Ferdinand II of Aragon where they were also known as coronellos (crown officers) since they were appointed by the Crown. Thus the English pronunciation of the word colonel.
4) Lieutenant was derived from the French language; the lieu meaning GÇ£placeGÇ¥ as in a position; and tenant meaning GÇ£holdingGÇ¥ as in GÇ£holding a positionGÇ¥; thus a GÇ£lieutenantGÇ¥ is somebody who holds a position in the absence of his superior. When he was not assisting the captain,
5) Captain was derived from the Late Latin word capitainus (meaning "head man" or chief).
Last Time I checked the name for The Gallente Federation's Infantry militia was called The "Federal Marines" not the Pantheon.
Amarr, The Imperial Guard not the" beings of light army "
Caldari, State Peacekeepers not Shangrala the buddist shrine of wonderment and Karmic alignment 
Minmatar, Republic Command not clickity clack clack
I guess the names CCP came up with are dumb to you as well.
The 2 Alliances that control The whole entirety of nullsec space, their names. : Goons , And Northern Alliance. Im thinking they dont care if you think their names are generic.
The point is just because you can draw some imaginary line from The Jen Mei of the Gallente Federation being Oriental and of Japanese decent doesnt mean that pâôpâ¢pâ½pâÇpâ+pâópâ¦pé¦pé+pâ+Bihorud-ümonsut-ü or Daigozimon Translated Beholder a Japanese/Greek mythological creature that's a floating head with eye tentacles and turns people to stone who look at it should be used.
As far as the argument that these names are for US and Not THEM. If anyone has ever heard me speak on the subject I think that a High DUST sp toon/player should be able to stand eye to eye with an EVE toon as far as wealth accumulation and a corp of 200 players Dust side should be able rival a corp of 200 EVE players on equal terms. As equals not some subservient lot. SO I dont know where you get all that with your rants.
In conclusion. I love how this has turned into some "lets draw these names from these dead languages" and anything more current is dumb argument. There are probably 10 people in the whole world that can read Egyptian hieroglyphs from a culture of 6000 years ago and the only reason why we can read them is from the Roseta stone. I dont see the Archeologist that can yammering as hard as you down at the local elementary school that the kids should be learning it . Possibly, because they (unlike you) posses a monicrim of common sense.We know that Neolithic Cultures(6k years BC) existed but still can read there script.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeciphered_writing_systems IF realism is SO important to you lets make a rl time line. Its 2014 man has not discovered a wormhole.Does not posses the ability of FTL propulsion through space. Has not colonized another planet nor can terraform it. So 2000 ? 5000 years from now the EVE gate is discovered and then add the time since its collapse (as per lore) 20,000 years, so were looking at about 22 to 25,000 years from now. YET YOU INSIST, in some rather comical fit of nerd rage that the names you have created for this LP ranking system should have some relevance to dead languages currently not in use.
You asked for opinions I gave them, and got ridiculously belligerent insults and behavior in some immature fit of nerdic buttrage ,when I gave them and everyone else in this thread.
I was already done with this thread yesterday with my points made yet you keep on blathering to your alts in Amarr OOC
You have been weighed ,measured, and found wanting......of common sense.
Back away from the bathsalts you've had too much.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.09 05:58:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:That's some great stuff Evicer, and now back to Nocturnal Soul with his investigation. Wait.... Quote:Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro WTF WHY!? Does CCP hate Gallente that much you nerf a weapon not even in the game yet :(
Oh man they got rid of the Gauss rifle? boo
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.09 06:40:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Evicer wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:That's some great stuff Evicer, and now back to Nocturnal Soul with his investigation. Wait.... Quote:Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro WTF WHY!? Does CCP hate Gallente that much you nerf a weapon not even in the game yet :( Edit:It was a good laugh but did you really think they'd Keep your Gallente short sword of freedom up there ? Is ASCII art against the rules ?
IDK.I guess it depends on their interpretation of your art.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.10 03:33:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Loving this Amarr 01 Knight 02 Holy Knight 03 Paladin 04 Exalted Paladin (stolen from True Adamance) 05 Holy Vanguard 06 Zealous Vanguard 07 Anointed Sword 08 Anointed Cleric 09 Imperial Crusader 10 High Imperial Reclaimer Minmatar01 Warrior 02 Warrior Mystic 03 War Spirit 04 Nomad Wolf 05 Stormwalker 06 Voshud Spear 07 Tribal Shaman 08 Matari Shaman 09 Tribal War Chief 10 Valklear Sanmatar Warlord EDIT: Caldari and Gallente standings Caldari01 State Ensign 02 Peacekeeper 03 Corporal 04 Sergeant 05 Lieutenant 06 Colonel 07 War Director 08 State war Director 10 Taisho Meritarch Executor Gallente01 Militiaman 02 Milita trooper 03 Guardian 04 Operative 05 Elite Operative 06 Special Forces 07 Legionnaire 08 Legionnaire Prime 09 Federal Sentinel 10 Aegis Federal Marshal
I hate to say it, but this is way more like it.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:01:00 -
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The dev asked us for MILITIA FW ranks not what the ranks would be in say The Ministry of Internal Order or what they would be in say Wirkomi's or Kalikiota private security forces.Hes not asking us for names in npc militaries or say what the rank system would Be in the Holfast Syndicate .Which ( jokeingly ) could be "Top Slave Master" A brutor is not going to want a Sebestor name to be rank 10 and vice versa the names must be inclusive of all the bloodlines and there would be arguments there like the ones were having here.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/strengthening-the-link-factional-warfare-in-uprising-1.7/
Minmatar -> Republic Command: Republic Command is something of an oddity in a new order where the Minmatar tribes wield considerable power. In large part the Minmatar military has become fragmented among the tribes but a rump central command remains. The Republic Command has managed to retain control over those units that reported directly to its military council, and the elite nature of many of these forces has allowed the generals of the Command to retain significant influence.
So if we use this as our example A Brutor would not join Minmitar FW if the top rank was a Sebsestor name for rank 10. Whether the names coinside with the lore is not the issue nor what he asked given all the bloodlines of new eden would a True Amarr want to join the 24th Imperial Crusade if the top rank was a Ni kunni name. No he would not so it must also coincide with all the bloodline to be inclusive of all of them to get all of them to join for the greater good.
I am not saying that these names are not good for some rank in something and that they are not consistent with lore.We also need to look at cultures.Those cultures and there subdivisions. It would be as if the U>S and Chinese army wanted to join together to fight an alien invader and the chinese wanted the name General to be the rank of Private and a Chinese name to be the top rank in the chain. That wouldnt do .SO they'd have to come up with a solution they both liked.We also have to consider that ranks in militaries really have nothing at all to do with deities or monsters.It has to do with 1 guy leads 10 guys. 2 guy leads 100, and all the 1's answer to him. 2 guys answer to 3 guy, who leads 1000 guys.Thats called the decimal ranking system. Through out the ages we just came up with names for them.
Thus why they would go with a rank system , and also to reiterate what the DEV asked us to come up with .......Ranks for Faction warfare militia. Not Npc corps. Like the Sanmatar Kelkoons and would they be the same names as the ones for the Company of Marcher Lords.
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Evicer
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Evicer wrote:The dev asked us for MILITIA FW ranks not what the ranks would be in say The Ministry of Internal Order or what they would be in say Wirkomi's or Kalikiota private security forces.Hes not asking us for names in npc militaries or say what the rank system would Be in the Holfast Syndicate .Which ( jokeingly ) could be "Top Slave Master" A brutor is not going to want a Sebestor name to be rank 10 and vice versa the names must be inclusive of all the bloodlines and there would be arguments there like the ones were having here. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/strengthening-the-link-factional-warfare-in-uprising-1.7/Minmatar -> Republic Command: Republic Command is something of an oddity in a new order where the Minmatar tribes wield considerable power. In large part the Minmatar military has become fragmented among the tribes but a rump central command remains. The Republic Command has managed to retain control over those units that reported directly to its military council, and the elite nature of many of these forces has allowed the generals of the Command to retain significant influence. So if we use this as our example A Brutor would not join Minmitar FW if the top rank was a Sebsestor name for rank 10. Whether the names coinside with the lore is not the issue nor what he asked given all the bloodlines of new eden would a True Amarr want to join the 24th Imperial Crusade if the top rank was a Ni kunni name. No he would not so it must also coincide with all the bloodline to be inclusive of all of them to get all of them to join for the greater good. I am not saying that these names are not good for some rank in something and that they are not consistent with lore.We also need to look at cultures.Those cultures and there subdivisions. It would be as if the U>S and Chinese army wanted to join together to fight an alien invader and the chinese wanted the name General to be the rank of Private and a Chinese name to be the top rank in the chain. That wouldnt do .SO they'd have to come up with a solution they both liked.We also have to consider that ranks in militaries really have nothing at all to do with deities or monsters.It has to do with 1 guy leads 10 guys. 2 guy leads 100, and all the 1's answer to him. 2 guys answer to 3 guy, who leads 1000 guys.Thats called the decimal ranking system. Through out the ages we just came up with names for them. Thus why they would go with a rank system , and also to reiterate what the DEV asked us to come up with .......Ranks for Faction warfare militia. Not Npc corps. Like the Sanmatar Kelkoons and would they be the same names as the ones for the Company of Marcher Lords. For Gods sake just drop it dude..... we get it already..... with the upmost respect and our recent excursion to the EVE gate in mind.....just let it go...... Wax on Wax off
Im going to say whatever I want, for how ever long I want. If you and others can type page upon page to bend their (CCP) ears towards what you want and voice your opinions so can I .Really its not even about that it's this perceived notion that since you and some others "voice" so much that you are some how Represenetives for your factions in all matters. Which is not the case.
Just because people pad their likes doesnt mean **** to me
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:08:00 -
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:If you want to create page after page of your own ideas, feel free to Evicer. Rattati has asked people to stop creating page after page of negative minded rants about other peoples ideas, which is what you're doing.
Either be constructive, or offer constructive criticism. Quit nitpicking. If you want to try and find some way to reconcile the ideas that Galm, Mina and Myself have offered with your own personal ideas like Ceej Mantis has suggested, feel free to. Until then, stop being a ****head and trying to shoot others ideas down with little justification beyond "I don't like it" or "my own tenuous grasp of lore disagrees with this".
Reading comprehension ..... is what you need and a firm grasp of reality
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Posted - 2014.08.15 06:28:00 -
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:I "my own tenuous grasp of lore disagrees with this".
1 Were not angels we're clone tech Jovian tech, bio tech
2 Our suits and weapons were made for ordinary men
3 Were not angels were soldiers.The only difference between us and a normal man is we get up and do it again, and again, and again,
4 If were talking about speed or feats of stamina our clones are taking pills that would kill a normal man after too much use but we dont care because if the heart explodes. we'll get a new body. So the pills are pharmaceuticals. Medical tech
5 When we look at his do we say this is GOD ? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1WlAhDIG444/T4MqSjDWmVI/AAAAAAAAAEY/cLdw_JF0wbE/s400/cow+on+steroids.jpg No we say its a cow on steroids and growth hormones.Normal men would say the same about us.
6 Jumping off of heights doesn't scare us because if we break a bone we'll be in a new body in about 5 minutes.
7 Jamyl would not issue a manhunt for Seraphim (angels) that would be heresy. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=853076#post853076 and by her statement clearly knows we are clone soldiers with implants....TECHNOLOGY
8 Ordinary npc men could join the Imperial Guard or is there only 200 ? 300 ? people in it ? No..... its an army that has normal men in it....... LEGIONS .A normal man may in fact reach the rank 10 position after a long career and he is not seraphim. Im talking about each INSTITUTION as it is in New Eden and within that context.
9 Gallente Im not seeing anywhere in the lore where they name there spec ops or military after greek deities/demigods/monsters https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente#Military exert Black Eagles
The Black Eagles are the Federal Intelligence service and report to the President. Their tactics, referred to as protocols, are named with the type of protocol, a symbol, and a number. Protocol Alpha-Three was the protocol executed in the apprehension attempt of Jacus Roden......... huh ? Not seeing any greek references in there.
I think its rather hilarious that both EVE and Dust players think that man of the future has lost all reasoning and logic, and that these npc peoples look at technology as magic or something, and Im just not seeing it.
Example of a conversation between a EVE player and a certain dust player that I keep hearing. Eve player "a Dreadnought can glass a whole continent.Thats why were better than you Dust ground pounders.Its in the lore" Dust player " A dust char will kill 10's of thousands of people in there career. Its in the stats.Its in the lore" Both " The people of New Eden would call us Gods"......... No they wouldn't.......****** had 6 million people killed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Holocaust_deaths Sub section 4.4 . Was he a God ? No just a man. No god like powers kept him from being found burnt to a crisp. Was he called God. No. JUst a Leader . Just a Chancellor.....just a man.
What if I told you there were men that, with a push of a button could turn this whole entire planet, everyone, and everything on it ,into glass and ash and send this planet into a nuclear winter that would last for 200 years ? Would we call him God ? Would we pray to him ? What would we call him ? President of the United States, and the Russian Federation. HMMMM I dont see GOD or anything like that in the word PRESIDENT.I wonder if they have ranks in the military and what those are ? Well lets see....AH The President of the UNited States does have a military rank and guess what it is ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States exert commander-in-chief and Russia's ? Does he have a military rank ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Russia Supreme Commander-in-chief. I guess Putin wanted Sour cream on his I guess. (refering to tacos) Point is do you pray to these men ? Im just saying, as for me, I dont. You know why you dont ? Because they cant kill with a thought, levitate, teleport, read your mind, dont have telekinesis.Cannot reanimate / heal / revive a 100 year old corpse. Can not generate a nuclear explosion with a thought and could not survive one.
Just because you can point to some perceived mythos or say WE think they use these words based on some rather questionable reading comprehension of the lore.That you think that they use them and in this context IS the issue. IT does not mean that WE soldiers,instruments of warfare, military Jovian bio TECHNOLOGY. Would be perceived 10 thousand years in the future as gods. Any person in New Eden with enough ISK could have this done to themselves.
The dropsuits that we wear were made for normal men. The ships we fly . For normal men.....
Jovian tech...The Amarr dont worship the Jovians. Matter of fact we went to war against them. First capsuleer tech was given by the Jovians to the Caldari to fight the Gallente. Everyone in New Eden (Npc common man) knows that Its just technology. That's why in game a pilot would never agree to you having a deified rank. You're just a clone, like them. This whole Idea that "Man" in New Eden thinks that we clones are gods is so utterly ridiculously nonsensical, its astounding.
Chuck Norris round house kicks any and all geebs who use "do you read the lore" as the basis for their arguments without proper context or rational.
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:The dropsuits we wear were made for clones not normal men. Clones are 7ft tall, that's something that's very rare for a regular man to be. Scouts have 2 hearts, heavies have 2 spines that are probably reinforced. Amarrian dropsuits connect to the spinal cord during the process of integration that's something that would kill a normal man. Also normal men don't wear power suits that kill them with radiation that's supposed to protect them.
Eve pilots are very commonly referred to as Gods since sooner or later you would get your ship blown up but that doesn't matter since it's just isk right? Wrong there are people on that ship that operate it, live on it and even support and have their families life on that ship. There are lore stories backing what I say if you care to search for it.
The plasma rifle sets you on fire if you didn't wear protection
The Scr, Scp, and Lr instantly incinerate the man using it
Rail tech brakes the bones of the user because of its strong kick
And minmatar.... well yeah
Anyway just stop already no one cares because the topic has been derailed so far off the edge I'd be better to make a new thread.
When you go on a cruise ship with your wife do you call the Captain of that ship god ? there are 5000 people on an aircraft carrier in the US Navy. Do they call the Captain of that ship God ?
You did see the picture of the cow right ?
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Use the same ranks from Eve just remove Commodore and add General for Amarr FW ranks.
Ill say it again use all the same ranks EVE side but remove the Nautical names and replace with land based military ranks.
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Evicer wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:The dropsuits we wear were made for clones not normal men. Clones are 7ft tall, that's something that's very rare for a regular man to be. Scouts have 2 hearts, heavies have 2 spines that are probably reinforced. Amarrian dropsuits connect to the spinal cord during the process of integration that's something that would kill a normal man. Also normal men don't wear power suits that kill them with radiation that's supposed to protect them.
Eve pilots are very commonly referred to as Gods since sooner or later you would get your ship blown up but that doesn't matter since it's just isk right? Wrong there are people on that ship that operate it, live on it and even support and have their families life on that ship. There are lore stories backing what I say if you care to search for it.
The plasma rifle sets you on fire if you didn't wear protection
The Scr, Scp, and Lr instantly incinerate the man using it
Rail tech brakes the bones of the user because of its strong kick
And minmatar.... well yeah
Anyway just stop already no one cares because the topic has been derailed so far off the edge I'd be better to make a new thread. When you go on a cruise ship with your wife do you call the Captain of that ship god ? there are 5000 people on an aircraft carrier in the US Navy. Do they call the Captain of that ship God ? You did see the picture of the cow right ? Is that cruise ship capable of flying through space at speed of 1000km? Is it able to destroy a entire city with lasers? Is the captain able to retain his memories after being killed? Is he kept alive in a pod able to navigate space and completely halt the aging of the human body? Is that captain able to process the radial velocity of an interceptor using an afterburner? Is that captain able mine the surface of planets and moons without regulation of the government? Evicer I failing to see what your intentions are in this argument since I've just recently been bothered by your words.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/07/10/dust-514-live-event-mordus-challenge-starts-tomorrow/
Official ] exerts: Cloned soldier,weapon, millions of cloned soldiers.
https://dust514.com/events/million-clone-challenge/
Official ] Million-CLONE-challenge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_514
Wikipedia exert: However, the discovery of a specialimplant made it possible to achieve a transfer of consciousness without the use of a capsule, so it became possible to make immortals that were not pilots. Dust 514 players take the role of immortal ground-based soldiers which were created by the military shortly after the implant was discovered.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Jove_Empire_NPC_Corporations
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Genolution_%28NPC_corporation%29
Official ] Jovian corporation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40
@ 4:52 Official ] 315,456,123 Clones destroyed / 5,217,954 Clone self destruct
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tags_for_Security
Official ] exert [FACTION] Clone Soldier Trainer: In charge of funds, equipment and locales used in the preparation and deployment of clone soldiers loyal to the faction.
[FACTION] Clone Soldier Recruiter: In charge of scouting vulnerable areas - remote planets, isolated outposts, interstellar colonies and other places that hold human life - with the aim of bringing in new recruits for the pirates' clone soldier programs.
[FACTION] Clone Soldier Transporter: Responsible for the swift conveyance of clone soldiers to their intended destination.
[FACTION] Clone Soldier Negotiator: A fixer who establishes contracts between pirate-trained clone soldiers and those who might employ their services.
You are weapon.A piece of Bio tech (clone body) produced in mass quantity, equipped with weapons and suits made in factories, by MEN in those factories....
Your consciousness is allowed to transfer via an Augmentation created by Genolution a Jovian Biotech corp which installs those into the clone body.
and if you are referring to this https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Infantry_Gear:Dropsuits
So I guess the man that makes the CRU in a factory is our god ? Since the CRU is making us ? You're military technology. Jovian Technology. We're made like LAV's HAV's, and dropships using nano tech. That a man invented.
This just how MAN of the future uses clones to wage infantry wars and its becoming common place as all empires are switching over to this tech.
We're not gods or demigods we're soldiers.
Sorry to break it to you guys.
We're just a suped up sports car, mass produced with a nutcased driver behind the wheel, in a race against 16 other cars with nutcases , who arn't afraid to crash them ,and anybody with enough cash can enter the race....
So in conclusion you're a soldier albeit a persistent one made possible by Jovian man made tech. The Amarr would not pray to that. That would be Heresy. and sense they're the only ones in the cluster that do pray...
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:You're not making the point you think you're making Evicer. Capsuleers are clones as well and they're still referred to as demigods.
No one would be worshipping the fact that an individual is a clone, they'd be honoring an individual who delivered 20+ planets to them with an abstract title. The Minmatar would be showing respect to a freedom fighter. The Gallente would be brimming with pride over a freedom fighter. The Caldari would be immortalizing a champion of the state.
You're soldier and they have a parade for you .they dont prostrate them selves and commence to bowing with clasped hands.
The next day another cloned soldier takes back those same 20 planets. What is your point ?
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Now I could see a government giving boon to a war hero and yes land and title or even Governance within the frame work of those governments. After a long career governments do placate there Generals by doing this or within Democracies these same war heros go on to political careers.I've always said this.
julius Ceaser and Napoleon went on to stage coup d'+¬tat's which over threw the perspective government to which they were previously employed..........and that is why we're dangerous.Why the Empires fear us.In that regard.
12 US Presidents were Generals
Now what could logically be said that after a player (and there character in game) has participated winning close to 700 battles and taken this much territory for the glory of there perspective Empires. I fully agree to that.
Now within the game mechanics this is feasible and explainable from an Rp standpoint. We could say that the level 10 is given governance but all taxes are still received by each Empire and so the player gets no monetary gain from this.CCP could say that we have been awarded this in high sec some where. CCP could also be vague as to where exactly. Leaving it open to the player but no actual mechanic is being affected.
So lets look at those titles within the frame work of each Goverment. Working under the assumption that these governments would do this.
NOTE: within the context of their governments
For the Amarr at level 10 Words that hit me are: Lord, Lord Governor, Divine Governor
Level 10 Gallente : Senator, Governor, Legislator as they are a Democracy
Please note these titles are in English
Now some may say these names are generic. They are intended to be. There are 4 political parties in Gallente politics this leaves the player and the character with the ability to explore there own social political ideologies within the frame work.Also as far as Amarr politics there are differences in opinion as to Holder,liberal Holder , Reclaimers and Simply rich Amarr.
Also as afore mentioned a DUST player could do this and pursue his own career in PC and take public contracts.CCP explains that taxes are collected by the STATE"S (no player benefit in mechanics) and if you do this and PC your able to collect your own monies from the Geno sales that you and your corp mates control in Null sec from district owner ship.
and Thus what we have here is REAL connection between the 2 games from a political standpoint.
Let levels 9 be terms like General ,Commander, Marshal ,,,,and if the players want TITLE as boon then make level 10 something they conveys governance.
We could turn the forums of Legion/EvE into a REAL forum where by Legion and EVE players would or could argue with in Character oratory about the direction of there Empires. Political parties could be formed, rivalries,subterfuge and blackmail....... now were talking about a game.
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mess up 
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CeeJ Mantis wrote:Evicer wrote:Level 10 Gallente : Senator, Governor, Legislator as they are a Democracy . I see, so that's how a democracy works. You kill enough people and they hand you titles. I can make laws now! And to think I thought I had to campaign and stuff. This explains the CPM as well.
No your not actually making laws or even making decisions for players.I was just trying to fond some middle ground between people wanting Titles and what already exist Eve side. They have military titles and Im fine with that.
As far as Democracies awarding war heroes. Yeah 12 Generals have become president in the US.
Heres a link I found on US Congressmen and Senators who have served in the military.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080214052949AAut862
more than 1 hundred by a rough count and that only goes back to 1957
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Once again
Immortal Soldiers =/= Mercenary Until we have the ability to choose who we fight for beyond just facwar, with corporate standings towards those we fight for, and this game isn't just a lobby shooter and it has a lot more depth by being able to do so stuff like travel around the universe, we are simply mercenaries. If you want to pretend that you're a 'general' in your own corp, or that you were a 'seargeant' named 'kirk' before becoming an immortal mercenary that's all well and good, but it doesn't apply nor should it apply to factional titles because there is no responsibility associated with them. There isn't any requirement that a standing 6 'seargeant' / 'general' / 'what have you' needs to queue for a facwar match for a match to even show up.
You make no sense you defended the idea being called a demigod for page upon page and being Titled as such and then in the next post you argue that were just mercenaries.
As for Saints we are not Saints either were killers. Off the top of my head without researching it im pretty sure no Templar was ever canonized.
I looked for about 15 minutes and read some articles and Im not finding any record of a Templar being Canonized.
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:
To quote two things I feel are appropriate : "A man chooses, a slave obeys" and "A hero is just a man who knows he's free".
I am not a slave of the Amarr empire, though I choose to fight for it.
Thank you for proving my point with your own words.Amarr citizens arent going to pray to you, because they're not slaves.
When the Amarr conquered the Minmitar they didnt say " You prey to us. We the Amarr people" They attempted to convert them to pray to 'Their " god. The Amarr god of The Amarr religion not The Amarr people. Thats why I say your titles are heresy.
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:Don't cherrypick things I've said to try and misconstrue and twist them into saying things I haven't evicer. You are debating like a ****ing idiot. .
Im not getting angry at all. The only person getting belligerent is you
Malleus Malificorum wrote:In any case, for the last 5 or so pages, you haven't bothered to come up with a single original line of discussion or act in the least bit constructive or positive.
Post: 282 Im trying to meet people half way that want there FW RANK to be a TITLE that conveys some power in game in a realistic way
Malleus Malificorum wrote:You've just been whining that you don't like what other people have created and tantrumed about how they should create things that represent your views.
More childish goading in an attempt to get me to act as belligerent as your self
Malleus Malificorum wrote:I think I'm done conversing with you on any level as you repeat the same pattern of getting angry, then belligerent and abusive, then making some wild (and untrue) claims of how important you are,
Yeah Im not seeing a pattern of belligerence in my post. Yours on the other hand. As far as you conversing with me. Thank god, and I wish that were a true statement.
Were not talking about me were talking about the game.About names for FW ranks. You need to get back on the subject at hand and give some citation in game as to why we would have name of deities for FW ranks.
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Evicer wrote:Were not talking about me were talking about the game.About names for FW ranks. You need to get back on the subject at hand and give some citation in game as to why we would have name of deities for FW ranks. No, we are talking about you, because you refuse to discuss things in good nature, you're doing whatever you can to drag things off topic and spout ad hominem about people. As far as 'giving citation', it has been explained repeatedly and in great detail why those names were chosen, you choosing not to take the time to understand another position doesn't mean it has no merit and it certainly doesn't mean it should be explained again. Conversation was good up until you and a few others jumped in here and then it went from "Here's my idea and why I think it has merit" and someone else going "Okay, let me iterate on that or come up with something else" to "DEFEND YOUR IDEA BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORST PIECE OF **** I'VE EVER HEARD FROM THE DUMBEST PERSON I'VE EVER SEEN". One is good natured, the other seeks only to antagonize or ridicule.
This is called a Red herring by those of you who dont know. All the while avoiding the issue as to why he thinks his idea has any merit and ignoring that fact its not even popular.
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Malleus Malificorum wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Once again
Immortal Soldiers =/= Mercenary . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_MaleficarumIf you want to pretend that you're a 'general' in your own corp, or that you were a 'seargeant' named 'kirk' before becoming an immortal mercenary that's all well and good, but it doesn't apply nor should it apply to factional titles because there is [b]no responsibility associated with them..
Now on to you ...if you want to pretend your a Witch hammer deity/Angel than call your toon that and back off Kirk for putting Seargent in his. You have no ground to stand on. If you want to RP you're descended from Seraphim have your corp give you a Title.
SO were listening please tell us why you think Angel names should be associated with The imperial Guard
Oh and btw you spelt it wrong .
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Evicer wrote:Malleus Malificorum wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Once again
Immortal Soldiers =/= Mercenary . If you want to pretend that you're a 'general' in your own corp, or that you were a 'seargeant' named 'kirk' before becoming an immortal mercenary that's all well and good, but it doesn't apply nor should it apply to factional titles because there is [b]no responsibility associated with them.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_MaleficarumNow on to you ...if you want to pretend your a Witch hammer deity/Angel than call your toon that and back off Kirk for putting Seargent in his. You have no ground to stand on. If you want to RP you're descended from Seraphim have your corp give you a Title. SO were listening please tell us why you think Angel names should be associated with The imperial Guard Oh and btw you spelt it wrong . Lovely continued ad hominem evicer. Please keep on attacking the characteristics of people rather than their arguments and wonder why no one cares what you think.
lol Whats next grammar and punctuation followed by spelling , to argue your points.You're A typical.
You are transparent to me, I see through you.
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