So all in all I like the guys voice and his video is VERY informative. Very well done also. However, he does not tank. It seems he is a dropship pilot that is mad because rail tanks destroy his vehicles, and he should be.

You can watch him use the railtank - The way he aims at dropships from afar it seems as if he had never shot at them before. He aims directly at dropships rather than lead them. - The way he fires at the other tank in short bursts.
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This video is good and informative, but it is coming from someone who does not use the tanks and cries when his dropship dies.

Also, as I stated already on the video comments section I had to keep the DS in my sights so the range would show for the video so I couldn't lead it. It is also why you'll see my spooling each time, so the screen is not obscured by white flashes. I could have hit it if I wanted too.

Thanks for the feedback and the kind comments, except the cry bit. That was abit unfair don't you think? I was being rather reasonable I thought. I would like to point out that I do tank. WAYYYYYYY back on page 2 (and I don't expect you to have read all this thread - here is the link to the post) i said this :



The way you film to get good footage is not the way you always play. For a start I was in the redline. I only did that for the video. Often the best way to play means the footage is not usable, like with rails the shot flash and leading hides the range details; and its noisy so can bleed into the narration. Since the range was the point I just shot straight so you could see the shot would have hit. Simply trying to make sure the evidence is captured. I have a point to make, and that point is not about how I play.

but but... no nerf/buffs to anything...

Just increase the battlefield like 200-400m and push the redline similarly. it works

That's not at all what I said - and there are no plans to remove railguns altogether. But, I personally think their long range is what allows them to sit out of harm's way and dish out damage to Dropships.

Just make it so that you cannot accumulate WarPoints if you're in the redline. If cowards don't want to risk their tank or thales in the burn zone then they don't deserve to get higher ISK payouts from a good score. This game is all about high risk / high reward situations, camping in your safe zone should not count as playing tactically, it's called "I don't want to tarnish my precious KDR"

That's not at all what I said - and there are no plans to remove railguns altogether. But, I personally think their long range is what allows them to sit out of harm's way and dish out damage to Dropships.

No rails = DS heaven

I'm a tanker myself and Yes can problems might exist, but look it from the tanks point of view or in this case, mine. I pull out a rail gun to take out turrets or enemy tanks. One of few times I sit at the redline with a rail, is when my team gets redlined completely.
Even then, I have a hard time taking out dropship piloted by Ars Kayc, Foxhound Elite and Evolution-7, just to name a few.

Another reason FOR me going on the redline with a rail gun is that it is impossible for me to fight enemy tanks as they get cover by one drop ship, which makes it impossible, at least for me to fight head on with blaster vs blaster tank. Here the creator of this video could be a good example, as I when encountering him, never seen him play alone, but always with a squad. Nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong, but when they steamroll my blueberry team with infantry, tanks and him in a dropship, it makes it impossible to go as infantry or tank. Of my encounters in matches like This, I've only shot Judge down two or three times. Judge is a good dropship pilot, but he rarely plays alone, as it seems like he does in these videos.

Last remark, good blaster tanks get good scores like good dropship pilot gets good scores, but put a good blaster tanker out on the battlefield against a good DS pilot and you'd prolly see the tanker get destroyed, if he fails to find reasonable cover

Snugglz is spot on

Zoom out of the map and you see the true size of the district, 5km by 5km you really thing a railgun will cover that lot?

Thats the problem here nerfing for the sake of nerfing even tho nothing is wrong

Exactly. I believe the rail is perfect the way it is.

I feel I should question this. Look at 45 degrees of elevation and 600m range outside of the redline. Even then it is not balanced. Take just one map, spine crescent, since its the one I used. And I only used it as I had to choose one. They ALL suffer from the same issues. Ashlands is a a far worse place, but i chose a middle ground map.

The redline to redline distance, on average, is only 500 meters. How does a 600m range, high ROF no dispersion weapon fit into this? Think of range as if the maps we have are the only world. Our reality, in game, is only 600m wide. Outside of that we cannot exist. So 600m is not long range, it is in-fact the length of the world. A rail can shoot almost the length of my reality. This is not long range, it is unlimited range.

As i show in the video they hit me twice in LESS then 2.5 seconds. Average human reaction time is 0.2 seconds. Having rail fire that fast is the same as just having it fire once for twice the damage since the recipient cannot react. In effect a rails tank has double the reported base damage.

So we have a weapon that can shoot 2 shots faster then most can react to a single shot. That has a range greater than the range of my reality from a position that no player can reach. How is that "perfect"

N.B. Totally respect you as a pilot and player but "perfect" is a word too far mate.

See thats the issue now is it.... Looking at the "now" it obviously seems OP. But keep in mind what the fixes are for. Fixes are not to make things work with what you have. Its to move forward... and with the goal of moving forward, bigger maps, increased player count, 5kx5k map sizes, the rail tank as it is now, does fall under a balanced turret.

So the question is what do we care about, fixing the "now" or preparing for the "future." I feel that by modifying the game for the "now" is slowing the Productivity of moving forward. So keeping in mind the "future" goal, I feel that the rail turret is balanced in terms of range, damage, charge up time, clip size, etc...

But in the current state I am in full agreement. I hope this makes sense.

Hey guys

We've had a discussion with the CPM before and are aware of issues around Red Line Railguns - honestly we're not happy with them and it's something we want to address.

I personally spoke with Judge last night about this and we threw around some suggestions. As far as I'm aware, it's unfortunately not a simple fix because of the way that the projectiles are handled (and they're not a server-side change). I'll be forwarding this video on to Wolfman/Remnant though and seeing what we can do. :)

Thanks for pulling it together - this sort of feedback is great.

i have kill lots of redline rail tanks in TD tanks A LOT not in my redline but rite next to theres and from all over the map

CCP i personally believe your being miss lead by players who dont know how to counter redline rail tanks

its not hard uses the map uses the hills and buildings as cover ALL redline rail tanks need to move out of cover to shoot when they leave you shoot them with a TD with all dmg mods on and boom! 2-3 hits no more red line rail tank

the only players that cry of red line tanks and snipers are players WHO ARE IN THE OPEN !
this is a battlefield if your a drop ship MOVE ! dont stay in one spot use cover by flying low using hills as cover are better then flying up into the air and hovering like Judge likes to do ALOT !
same with snipers in the red line if your wining good stay out of the open and the red line snipers will not hit you !
and like i said same with the tanks .

i just cant be leave something SOoo EZ like staying behind cover and keep moving is so hard for all of you!
i just glad most of you never will end up in a combat zone because the way most of you cry about stuff ez to avoid like a fixed sniper or a tank on top of a hill in the open 90% of you would be dead be for you can finish reading this !

and yes i watched the vid nice hill tank to bad he need to be on the MCC road to do anything !
and getting shot down good job on thinking you where safe !

This game may never see larger maps lol

A long term rail tanker telling dropship pilots how easy it is not to get killed..... do you even know how to call a dropship?