Look how stupid you are, seriously.

The evidence is pretty clear, the case is practically open and shut, your little attempt to 'cloud' the issue has failed.

No hard feelings CEOPyrex, but neither the case or the proposed solutions will resolve anything. You guys think that being sniped is unfair, but it isn't...it's just not fun. Keep making the great videos.

Good video. A few points I wanted to hit on, but just one for now.

By about 22:22 Judge has already made his suggestion for reducing the elevation on Rail Turrets. That's fine. He goes on to say "Tankers can be defended from dropships easily. Fit a turret on the roof and you can hit us with the exact same weapon we're hitting you with. It becomes a fitting balance. No top turret, dropships have great advantage. If they're above you."

About this 'fitting balance.' Secondary turrets can be very restrictive on CPU/PG. No matter which Small Turret slot you use on the fitting window (and no matter where it shows the turret on the fitting window model), your first turret defaults to the front. That means to put the turret on top, you must fit a front turret.

Is this a bug, or is it intended? If it's a bug it needs to be fixed. If it's intended, it needs to be rethought.

How is it 'fitting balance' for me to maybe be able to hit you with the same weapon you're hitting me with if I need to fit two of them to do it, only have one of them be useful (and only if you're in its firing arc,) and possibly sacrifice whatever tank, gank, or utility I had originally intended to fit?

If I could actually get my turret to be on top without needing to fit two of them, all of my tank fits would have a top turret.

Edit: added link to video

Ummm you can bro, just put one turret on. I have dropship fits with only one turret and I can choose either side. Just select which spot you want it on and put it in. No need to also fit a front turret.

It's as if you didn't read my post. Try again and report back.

I really don't know what to tell you, I have a tank fit with a top turret and a tank fit with a front turret

Don't forget drop ships get bonuses( rate of fire and damage ) to small turrets that tanks do not get. Argument is considerably flawed.

Red line rails and snipers may be annoying but it really is due to the red line.

In my opinion this whole argument is like scissors complaining that rock is smashing them too hard and that scissors needs to be able to cut paper and rock. Real drop ship pilots squad with rails, blasters, heavies, logis, scouts and they communicate. It is the team that wins the battle. Not one rail picking off a dropship who was picking off a logi that was repping a heavy that was covering a scout that was hacking a point.

I have played against the best dropship pilots in the game, they usually average around a 6:1 kdr in PC. The ONLY thing killing them is rails and forges. Waiting for a dropships hardener to be on cooldown while watching for incoming rail fire while trying to secure a point takes timing as any pilot worth his salt bolts after taking one shot. Who cares if someone is railing from behind a rock in the very back of his red line, he's not dropping up links or hacking points. If he was out of the red line you would just hover over him and blow him up in 2 clips and we would all be crying for a dropship nerf.

Rails need the alpha to pop hardened madrugars with dual reppers, dropships need to stay away from the pointy ends of rails. Don't try to balance the game around pub matches. Just my 2 cents.

All credits to JudgeRhadamanthus for the video.
Send any likes over to him at : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1806881#post1806881

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHy6CXWk3K4

A FANTASTIC look at the problem with Redline Rails in their current state of the game. Check it out.

Apologies for my rude tone then. In that case, it must be a bug. I just got into a match with a test fit HAV. I placed the turret in the left slot and the model showed it on top. I named the fit "top turret." When I called it in, the turret was on front.

And as Judge states in his video, you can't balance around bugs.

EDIT: Which isn't to say don't balance it, but rather, fix the damn bug.

EDIT: And just for ***** and giggles, go ahead and make a test fit HAV, Numnutz. In the fitting window, only fit one small turret. Make sure you can see that the fitting window model shows the small turret up top. Name it "Top Turret Test" to make it obvious. I used a Soma. Maybe you can try a Sica. Let me know what you find out.

If you are correct then yes CCP should fix it.

"Hi, I want to call my dropship and hover over the bridge without getting railed unless I can fly over to the rail and pop him before I go back to farming Militia suits on the bridge, I am entitled to every inch of airspace at all times and should never consider my team has no contingency for anyone trying to counter me."

I feel a little disappointed that you feel so threatened by the facts that you need to try to ridicule me. I understand your approach, and your weaknesses; but why not try engage me on my level. Give me facts. Show me me evidence. Your quote is easily dismissed. I clearly did not say that as anyone who sees the video can see.

So while I can see that you find difficulty in understanding the issues, you only need to ask and we can explain to you how fairness for all is what we want.

I feel a little disappointed that you feel so threatened by the facts that you need to try to ridicule me. I understand your approach, and your weaknesses; but why not try engage me on my level. Give me facts. Show me me evidence. Your quote is easily dismissed. I clearly did not say that as anyone who sees the video can see.

So while I can see that you find difficulty in understanding the issues, you only need to ask and we can explain to you how fairness for all is what we want.

My previous statement sums it up. Not interested in lowering my level to yours as my goal isn't to make dropships broken. Sorry you feel ridiculed by my summary of your video. Interesting that you chose to gloss over every point I made, very telling. Probably over your head though. Countered.

i think i mentioned that "bugs aside" as the fact you cont choose your turret location is a known bug. As for the elevation - I found 57 degees.. but not happy with the testing which is why i didn't include

s this nerf something you'd be fine with reverting when we get larger maps/open world?

Judge Rhadamanthus is one of the worst drop ship players in game i would not even waste my time.

I don't really think you mean that. But I am interested as to why you feel it matters as regards balance. No matter how bad I am personally, does that make the redline rail tanks less of an issue?