My point was that you can get out of the redline when pushed back. Also how is fighting out any more useful or effective?

Or... one could simply retune the redline instead of removing it in entirety...
First by extending the area of all prior redline areas back a ways, and then designating it with an orange border to differentiate the regions.

However, if you travel into the enemy orange line the further you go the LESS your maximum armor and shield become, and if you exit the orange, they restore to normal.

If you've ever played Runescape and tried the "Wilderness" before you'd know how these advancing regions work, but instead of going up a wilderness level, the affected party looses max HP relative to the tier they enter... so..
Outside of orange 100% all stats,
Area 1 --90% shield and armor (largest region mainly for deployment)
Area 2 (within handheld range of spawn) -50% shield and armor and -10% weapon damage
Area 3 (inside spawn proximity regions) -80% shield and armor and - 30% weapon damage

Defenses would be indestructible very-short-range manual turret systems that can target things within the orange region only, but loose power if the target is in a lower ranked region.

This way the complainers could run into the orange line to deal with troops/tanks they feel to be problematic. Would probably promote heavily dampened scouts.

Example,
If I had 100 shield and 100 armor, and ran into area 3, I would be left with 20 shield and 20 armor, and would not be able to heal over that until I left into area 2, then I would be able to heal back up to 50/50... and upon leaving all zones would be back to 100/100 maximum possible healing.
Zone auras are unable to kill players.

....when you demonstrated the dropship getting one-hit-killed, there were two impact sounds, meaning you got hit by a small lag spike and it was actually 2 rounds that hit your stationary vehicle. .

I never said it was a OHK. IT was in-fact 2 rail shots. I watched it frame by frame and counted the frame timer (on the edit software as YT vids are not good for this) and I took 2 shots in 0.25 seconds. This is the evidence I use use to back up the ROF claims I made later about 0.25 second deaths.

Also I am goint to collect the forums redline solutions and, with credit to the authors, out them in a new video. I will think yours through and consider using it. I think I may have to draw it as it has some serious TTK and DPS implications.

Sounds to me like you weren't even listening to the narrator. I appreciate your input and even more I appreciate your time to read and watch. I want to point out the focus of this video. You are talking about making weapon adjustments when what is discussed is not the issue with the weapon itself. The problem is the redline. The video proves holes in the game mechanics due to the redline i.e. "I must put my isk on the line to participate, and this guy can safely sit behind the redline with little to no risk of losing isk." There are snipers, tanks, and etc that take advantage of this. "I'm not saying nerf railtanks, but perhaps negate their ability to attack from the redline or to attack from extreme ranges."

Yeah right go and remove railguns so that he can stomp around 24/7 with his derpship.

That's not at all what I said - and there are no plans to remove railguns altogether. But, I personally think their long range is what allows them to sit out of harm's way and dish out damage to Dropships.

That's not at all what I said - and there are no plans to remove railguns altogether. But, I personally think their long range is what allows them to sit out of harm's way and dish out damage to Dropships.

Totally valid points - we would look to be careful and not nerf them in to oblivion as they're very much intended to be a long range weapon! Either way, as I mentioned previously I don't believe it's a "simple" fix unfortunately.

Totally valid points - we would look to be careful and not nerf them in to oblivion as they're very much intended to be a long range weapon! Either way, as I mentioned previously I don't believe it's a "simple" fix unfortunately.

As for railgun damage, infantry wanted turrets to have ammo so it was always going to do more damage than the handheld FG

Plus railgun turrets can fire across all of the map, sometimes you think it is a tank but in fact its a guy in an installation

Railguns can track but the shell has travel time and also can dip at extreme ranges so you generally have to lead your target, this is a skill to do

8000dmg in a quater of a second, yea now your lying your ass off

I fly DS and im fine with it, i dont even use ADS half the time so my agility is that of a rock anyways but i make up for it with defence, proper flying and you can easily survive in compounds and under 100m and know your area you can avoid smashing into buildings and GTFO out of the way

Spine cresent is the only map i really ever see you mention, on that map the rail installations are my main enemy, most railtanks pilots cant hit **** when its moving but the installations have better accuracy but then again i squad with ppl who can use rails so i act as bait find the tank and while they are shooting at me my squad takes them out

But spine cresent itself is okay to fly around, remove the installations and its great, sure a tank may get dropped in but it takes 3 shots to take me out and if your not moving fast after the 1 let alone 2nd your dead and hiding in the compound is fine since they tend to have high walls massive towers and break LOS to you

Elevation can be tampered with, you are assuming the land the tank is on is level, yet i could go up a slight incline which helps my elevation which means i can shoot targets which are higher up because i used my terrain to my advantage, you nerf the elevation of the turret doesnt matter because they can use the terrain to shoot higher up so what then nerf the terrain?

As for the redline needs to be a shield you cannot re-enter is all fine and dandy but thats a massive buff to DS and why is that? thats because the actualy flying zone is extended by a large amount so for example you could fly alot further into the back of the spawn than a tank can go before you even get a redline warning so that redline rail maybe 150m in the redline yet your DS can easily fly 300m back into the spawn before you get a redline warning

Why wil judge only respond to the yes men who agree with making games DS heaven and that they can never be shot down while he can go into his spawn becauses not effected by the redline shield since its extended for DS

That's because people don't read posts without punctuation.
Seriously, dude, you've been posting like this all thread long. How about being considerate to other people and writing in a legible way? It's far easier to pay attention when reading isn't physically painful.

Poor excuse

Its not like im writing in shorthand

Basically it seems anyone that disagrees with him he ignores

Nope. People like you and Spkr are just ignored by everyone because you guys only want invincible tanks and don't care about anything else.

Why wil judge only respond to the yes men who agree with making games DS heaven and that they can never be shot down while he can go into his spawn becauses not effected by the redline shield since its extended for DS

You keep saying no rails = DS heaven. Which I myself explicitly stated the opposite to on two distinct occasions in the video and multiple times on the forum . Could you acknowledge please in your next post, as you keep throwing this at me, that you understand that I have explicitly advocated that rails must stay...................

Because of this responce way back after you first posted.



Until you can take ownership of your misrepresentations I will hold back responding to you. You repeatedly ignore my clarifications and just continue to use the same argument you always do no matter what evidence is provided to you. You are just not listening, and this makes reasoned discussion with you and others in here difficult. Admit I am not advocating rail removal and we can move on.

You made an entire thread devoted to the removal of rails, that is your 1st choice if it was an option to you, a leopard doesnt change its spots

Keep asking for unkillable dropships but instead learn to fly better instead

Since you will NOT listen I am through with you until you acknowledge my clear thoughts on rail removal, just watch the video again. Read this link. And also since your last comment was clearly an attempt to insult me I am feeling more disappointed with you.

I cant listen on a forum, i can read the forums tho and i read that epic 15page QQ about big bad rails and how you want them removed

Also that last line is a hint, learn to fly better, the more you do something the better you get at it, the old saying practise makes perfect, if its an insult is simply because you dont think your good enough

Rails dont effect me or my DS, i can fly on spine cresent all day long if i need to, i fit my DS right because i expect rails in every game i play but also im squadded up with enough people who can help to counter the rail

In other words you run in tanks squads?

Great video and post, but as has been previously mentioned - this is a map design issue, once the redline sinks below the burnzone.. it doesn't matter what you do in your redline, you can't see the battlefield, you have no line of sight on the battlefield, you can't shoot anything on the battlefield... Most maps unfortunately are ringed with giant mountains that tower above the battlefield. CCP logicloop really needs to rework the maps to sink the redline below the "sea level" of the battlefield then you'll start to see all these problems magically shrink away.