No rails = DS heaven

First, let me start with the disclaimer, I hate dropships and dropship pilots, mainly because they are a continuous and nebulous threat just waiting to rush in and ruin my gunfight and they usually think they deserve to be unassailable.

Swarms only work in combination with numerous other AVers and they should be buffed, they need to be fast enough to hit dropships that hit afterburners and outrun every other volley. An AA swarm is needed.

Anyway, the idea of limiting rail elevation and range is unreasonable. You will always be able to use terrain contours to elevate a shot above the normal range of motion, so any additional limits would be pointless. As for limiting range, it would neutralize the role of AV sniper.

I realize you don't like being sniped, but you should be thankful you have enough EHP to avoid being one-shotted.

You're already basically immune to infantry AV, but that's not enough for you (typical DS pilot entitlement). I would grant you a higher flight ceiling, or cheaper dropships, but not immunity from snipers.

I nominate this to the Post of the week!

Those are some kind words. And from a skilled pilot such as yourself I really do appreciate them. You nailed it on what pilots want. Well said.

CEO Pyrex agrees with Judge. While utterly dominating in a Domination (Assault Dropship), he lamented on the level of risk a prototype railtaink represents. He cited all of the rigorous evidence, because you guys think tanks should have less range and be prevented from pointing up... silly. I'm fine with removing redlines, but don't nerf the only real counter for the Dropship.

Oh, a painful insult! Most of my tanks cost 450k and I blow them up all the time, so I understand the risk (isk) vs reward game.

Good video. A few points I wanted to hit on, but just one for now.

By about 22:22 Judge has already made his suggestion for reducing the elevation on Rail Turrets. That's fine. He goes on to say "Tankers can be defended from dropships easily. Fit a turret on the roof and you can hit us with the exact same weapon we're hitting you with. It becomes a fitting balance. No top turret, dropships have great advantage. If they're above you."

About this 'fitting balance.' Secondary turrets can be very restrictive on CPU/PG. No matter which Small Turret slot you use on the fitting window (and no matter where it shows the turret on the fitting window model), your first turret defaults to the front. That means to put the turret on top, you must fit a front turret.

Is this a bug, or is it intended? If it's a bug it needs to be fixed. If it's intended, it needs to be rethought.

How is it 'fitting balance' for me to maybe be able to hit you with the same weapon you're hitting me with if I need to fit two of them to do it, only have one of them be useful (and only if you're in its firing arc,) and possibly sacrifice whatever tank, gank, or utility I had originally intended to fit?

If I could actually get my turret to be on top without needing to fit two of them, all of my tank fits would have a top turret.

Edit: added link to video

It's as if you didn't read my post. Try again and report back.

Don't forget drop ships get bonuses( rate of fire and damage ) to small turrets that tanks do not get. Argument is considerably flawed.

Red line rails and snipers may be annoying but it really is due to the red line.

In my opinion this whole argument is like scissors complaining that rock is smashing them too hard and that scissors needs to be able to cut paper and rock. Real drop ship pilots squad with rails, blasters, heavies, logis, scouts and they communicate. It is the team that wins the battle. Not one rail picking off a dropship who was picking off a logi that was repping a heavy that was covering a scout that was hacking a point.

I have played against the best dropship pilots in the game, they usually average around a 6:1 kdr in PC. The ONLY thing killing them is rails and forges. Waiting for a dropships hardener to be on cooldown while watching for incoming rail fire while trying to secure a point takes timing as any pilot worth his salt bolts after taking one shot. Who cares if someone is railing from behind a rock in the very back of his red line, he's not dropping up links or hacking points. If he was out of the red line you would just hover over him and blow him up in 2 clips and we would all be crying for a dropship nerf.

Rails need the alpha to pop hardened madrugars with dual reppers, dropships need to stay away from the pointy ends of rails. Don't try to balance the game around pub matches. Just my 2 cents.

Apologies for my rude tone then. In that case, it must be a bug. I just got into a match with a test fit HAV. I placed the turret in the left slot and the model showed it on top. I named the fit "top turret." When I called it in, the turret was on front.

And as Judge states in his video, you can't balance around bugs.

EDIT: Which isn't to say don't balance it, but rather, fix the damn bug.

EDIT: And just for ***** and giggles, go ahead and make a test fit HAV, Numnutz. In the fitting window, only fit one small turret. Make sure you can see that the fitting window model shows the small turret up top. Name it "Top Turret Test" to make it obvious. I used a Soma. Maybe you can try a Sica. Let me know what you find out.