Rail rifle same dps as duvolle, twice the range and thus OP. why use a gun that has the same dps but half the range.

Ok, please consider my English writing levels are pretty low and i dont have acess to an English Corrector in this computer.
TY


ON THE RR, yeap.Pretty much what the title says.

1st- The opinion on the RR being OP is completly based on personal experiences but its not a hard fact, the RR is not the weapon dominating the battlefield like the TAC,LR,AR or MD were in their time.
2nd - As i stated before,this NERF THREADS are more based on personal experience of their (butthurt) Posters than actual Facts. In MY PERSONAL experience for example, the COMBAT RIFLE is the one thats completley broken, (The STD CR shoots 3 bullets per R1 button press for a total of 96 BASE damage, more than a VIZIAM SCR RIFLE per shot,while having better fitting requirments, a better scope,better ROF, no overheat mechanic....)
AND STILL you dont see me requesting a NERF for it.
Why?

I've learned something most of you still havent.

CCP ends up BUFFING UnderPowered stuff eventually.
(Some posts stating why the weapon is Underpowered is more than enough)
BUT they also nerf stuff on request,...OUR REQUESTS.

Example:
GÖª CCP noticed Tanks were Underpowered in Uprising.
GÖª Tankers Cried EVERY single day for AV nerf.

And what happened?
GÇó CCP Buffed tanks to reasonable levels
GÇó CCP Listened to QQ tankers, Nerfed AV.

Result:
Tank s***storm we are in now.
So, inbalance.

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The Rifles are all in a GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, balanced among themselves pretty well:
AR: unlike most butthurtz Duvolle AR users pre 1.7, the ARs are in a good place right now. Good damage bonus, Decent range for a CQ oriented weapon, Great Hipfire, Good RoF. Mostly a Weapon that Apllies CONSTANT damage to the enemy in good chunks. If i can Do with a 'Toxin' AR (and im a pretty sucky AR user), you can do with a GEK or higher....

CR: Good range, Good Fitting Requirments, Excesive RoF and Very good DPS. The weapon is Overall one of the best in the game, if the player does not mind the Burst Mechanic.The weapon truly has no weaknesess.


The SCR RIFLE: The SCR rifle has HORRIBLE Fitting requirments, horrible Overheat mechanic that after 1.8 with the Loss of the Heat sink in the amarr assault, it will make it even harder to use, a Sight that does not really help to fully use the weapons range...Overall a Mess. BUT , the ''CHARGE FEATURE'' is what makes the weapon powerful never the less.
The High Alpha damage of a (connected) charge shot of a SCR makes all the drawbacks bareble since it makes the weapon the best option for 1 vs 1 engagements with a very good Range...for now.

RR: The main weapon in discussion here. The weapon has High Damage per bullet , the best range and a miserable charge time (0.25) that was the thing SUPPOSED to balance it in CQ. EVEN if a charge time nerf (to .4 or .5) the riffle will be best at longer ranges.Now, before considering to touch the weapon ,i propose to let CCP know that other weapons need a buff, before NERFING one of the weapons that can actually kill as it is.The weapon has Very good hipfire and range,but looses many times to AR's and CR's in closer ranges due to higher RoF and lack of charge time and in the Med-Long ranges it goes 50/50 vs the SCR rifle since a charged shot wIll take more than -+ your HP...

Overall, i get into the forums and all i see is . RR is OP, RR needs nerf, whatever posts.
Some of them even have REAL good solutions for balancing it, but i say, AGAIn, for the last time.

Buff the other weapons before even talking about nerfin these one please.

Ty for your time.

So you want us to do the DPS maths but then not include the maths for the spool time? Because if you do that, you'll see that the AR has a big (25%) DPS advantage over the RR for the first second of fire. The advantage for the ScR and CR is even greater. That's hard facts for you.

Hand on heart, how many of the 'RR is OP' people actually use it regularly? As in, in most the battles they play? This just feels like an obvious attempt to get the RR nerfed by non-RR users, to gain an advantage over them. But I'll be happy to be proved wrong if that's not the case.

I use the RR often but the AR even more. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that the AR dominates the RR in close quarters, not just a little, but a lot. If you don't think that, you must be great with the RR and/or bad with the AR/CR/ScR.

As for increasing spool time to 0.5 seconds - great, now it has half the first-second DPS of the AR and <25% of that of CR/ScR. With that laser-like CQC ability you'd have another long range weapon reduced to mere novelty, and we'd go back to AR514, which I remember everyone was so fond of a few months ago

You used to be Valor?
I used to be SEVR, Valor and stayed in Raven D......used to knife you back in the day.


All four rifles are doing way too much damage per bullet.
TTK is too low.

Was going to post more but why bother??
As it is I rarely play Dust anymore and with new games comeing out the Dust playtime is going to be close to none in a few months.

It's my toy too just saying I don't use the duvolle anymore because the rail rifle does its job at twice the range.

I'm complaining because there is no reason to use my main weapon if the RR beats me in my optimal and lolfacerolls me outside of it.

You mean like lets try my GEK ......ummmm died.
Lets try my shotgun......ummm died.
Lets try my massdriver.....ummmm died.
Lets try my laser..........folks stop and STARE ......ummm died.

Then I get told its not my "weapons" that I need to "git gud"

Then I try using a CR or RR and I insta get gud a few minutes later by going 20 and 0 with either of these two weapons.

Yeah.
F-U-C-K this build.

Got more kills running knifes then my other four main weapons??....bah!!!

anyone who thinks spool time has ANY impact on how the RR is used is either fooling themselves or has never run in a squad with scanners (which I find hard to believe). I have yet to see an RR user not firing just as I'm coming around a corner. Sometimes I have my high armor Logi with a Duvolle and can win slightly more often than not, however, If I don't have 160+ shields and 450+ armor I lose EVERY TIME.

You cannot use spool time as an example of it's "equalizing factor" when a scanner will show you exactly when to start firing so that the instant an enemy shows around a corner the ammo is already on the way. I do this with every other rifle, it's just that it doesn't really assist that much, but it can entirely eliminate most of the CQC balance in the RR. Thus making it OP in comparison to everything else, since that spool time is only happening when nobody is firing back.

P.S. To all RR defenders......I know you may try to refute this, but don't lie. You know you run with SOMEONE with a scanner in sqd when you are CQC with RR, and that is EXACTLY how you run it, effectively eliminating the spool time.

You say it like if it was hard to get kills with a knife in MAG.

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read my previous post.

BTW, TTK seems to be fine.

I'm VERY happy with my Duvolle or Ascr, I just refuted the reason most have said the RR isn't OP. Spool is ineffective because too many ways around it, meaning your excuse for its non-OP-ness has been shot down. If you can come up with another reason it isn't OP, then I'm all ears.

Like I said, I generally win when I prep for it (meaning my adv suits must die by this very method before I waste time/isk, I don't like going proto in pubs). I just don't think ANYONE should have to plan ahead, or go proto, simply for a long-range weapon in CQC. That is all.

When 900 hp is gone before you can blink then TTK is too low.
It makes a mockery of what fittings to select.

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Look man not trying to fight I like all the rifles it's just that each one has a use except the duvolle which has its role taken by the RR and if you really want a cqc weapon comat for the win.

Exactly! Teams prepare for tanks, not a single rifle?! It's OP! Get over it! If it wasn't ccp wouldn't be nerfing it. It was boosted for sells along with the CR. But atleast the CR takes some skill. You can hipfire the RR all match and come out on top lol! Show me another rifle that has that ability? I'll wait?

anyone who thinks spool time has ANY impact on how the RR is used is either fooling themselves or has never run in a squad with scanners (which I find hard to believe). I have yet to see an RR user not firing just as I'm coming around a corner. Sometimes I have my high armor Logi with a Duvolle and can win slightly more often than not, however, If I don't have 160+ shields and 450+ armor I lose EVERY TIME.

You cannot use spool time as an example of it's "equalizing factor" when a scanner will show you exactly when to start firing so that the instant an enemy shows around a corner the ammo is already on the way. I do this with every other rifle, it's just that it doesn't really assist that much, but it can entirely eliminate most of the CQC balance in the RR. Thus making it OP in comparison to everything else, since that spool time is only happening when nobody is firing back.

P.S. To all RR defenders......I know you may try to refute this, but don't lie. You know you run with SOMEONE with a scanner in sqd when you are CQC with RR, and that is EXACTLY how you run it, effectively eliminating the spool time.

What a ridiculous argument. If someone is tracking you (as in, has his sights following your scanned red dot through the wall) before you even come round the corner, you're pretty much dead whatever weapon they're using. The one situation in which the spool time is neutralized is the one situation in which the RR user doesn't need it neutralized, because anyone with virtually any weapon would win the engagement.

I run a proto scanner with a RR about 30% of the time, and with an AR 70% of the time. AR is a delight to use in CQC. I ONLY use the RR when I expect long range engagements, and rarely (maybe one in ten of the RR games) find myself in the situation you describe. 95% of my kills with RR have no pre-firing. Even in CQC there are few situations in which it is viable. As anyone who uses the RR regularly knows, spool time is a massive limitation.

Just look at the stats on all the weapons, and even someone who doesn't play can see it's OP. If you can't your slow. Try using any other weapon for a day and you'll see. Why do you think we haven't gotten range stats yet hmmm? That's the biggest most important stat, and we don't have it because it's incriminating evidence to the fact that the RR or any other OP weapon is in fact OP.

What a ridiculous argument. If someone is tracking you (as in, has his sights following your scanned red dot through the wall) before you even come round the corner, you're pretty much dead whatever weapon they're using. The one situation in which the spool time is neutralized is the one situation in which the RR user doesn't need it neutralized, because anyone with virtually any weapon would win the engagement.

I run a proto scanner with a RR about 30% of the time, and with an AR 70% of the time. AR is a delight to use in CQC. I ONLY use the RR when I expect long range engagements, and rarely (maybe one in ten of the RR games) find myself in the situation you describe. 95% of my kills with RR have no pre-firing. Even in CQC there are few situations in which it is viable. As anyone who uses the RR regularly knows, spool time is a massive limitation.

The stats show that the RR is weak in CQC. It has easily the lowest effective DPS of the rifles. As for using 'any other weapon for a day', I mostly use AR. This is because it's a much better CQC weapon than the RR.

Boundless combat rifle like a long range HMG with a smaller clip and none of that dispersion, gotta love it just needs a little gap in between bursts because you can hit 6 taps a second easily. Then it will be balanced and hopefully nerf proof.

Assault combat= meh projectile duvolle or beast long range sub

Scrambler=super beast 1vs1 holy weapon, nerf ? Na not really I mean no one can press that 12 times a second unless of course your using a moded controller so possibly a nerf to rof.

Assault Scrambler=meh laser duvolle

Duvolle = meh it's a weapon and its pretty good.

Laser= bad... Since rail rifle came along but technically the same.

Rail rifle=long range duvolle with a blinks worth of spool time and very solid hip fire. Sry buddy but your a little too beast for your own good.

Just my thoughts on the rifles.

'' really want a cqc weapon combat for the win''

This is true +1

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Now , WHATS the role of the Duvolle then?
In your opinion, whats it supposed to do?

IMO its the easiest gun to use and overall effective in both CQ and MEd ranges, without any specialization and great Spray and pray capacity thanks to its Clip Number...

Example. Any ADV or PROTO heavy can tank through a volley of SCR RIFLE shots until it overheats and survives.
NO HEAVY can take 60 Duvolle shots to the face and survive.

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Bradric Banewolf , i'll be ignoring your butthurt comment. I dont use the RR BTW.