Then shush and keep getting kills....
Thats what a weapon is supposed to do never the less...

Before someone accuses me of being biased :

My weapons are:
SCR
Breach AR
SMG
Shotguns
SCR Pistols.

I tested the RR and it did not preform to my satisfaction....

it's great for myself, but terrible for the game when a weapon makes another obsolete in every way.

Ok, please consider my English writing levels are pretty low and i dont have acess to an English Corrector in this computer.
TY


ON THE RR, yeap.Pretty much what the title says.

1st- The opinion on the RR being OP is completly based on personal experiences but its not a hard fact, the RR is not the weapon dominating the battlefield like the TAC,LR,AR or MD were in their time.
2nd - As i stated before,this NERF THREADS are more based on personal experience of their (butthurt) Posters than actual Facts. In MY PERSONAL experience for example, the COMBAT RIFLE is the one thats completley broken, (The STD CR shoots 3 bullets per R1 button press for a total of 96 BASE damage, more than a VIZIAM SCR RIFLE per shot,while having better fitting requirments, a better scope,better ROF, no overheat mechanic....)
AND STILL you dont see me requesting a NERF for it.
Why?

I've learned something most of you still havent.

CCP ends up BUFFING UnderPowered stuff eventually.
(Some posts stating why the weapon is Underpowered is more than enough)
BUT they also nerf stuff on request,...OUR REQUESTS.

Example:
GÖª CCP noticed Tanks were Underpowered in Uprising.
GÖª Tankers Cried EVERY single day for AV nerf.

And what happened?
GÇó CCP Buffed tanks to reasonable levels
GÇó CCP Listened to QQ tankers, Nerfed AV.

Result:
Tank s***storm we are in now.
So, inbalance.

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The Rifles are all in a GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, balanced among themselves pretty well:
AR: unlike most butthurtz Duvolle AR users pre 1.7, the ARs are in a good place right now. Good damage bonus, Decent range for a CQ oriented weapon, Great Hipfire, Good RoF. Mostly a Weapon that Apllies CONSTANT damage to the enemy in good chunks. If i can Do with a 'Toxin' AR (and im a pretty sucky AR user), you can do with a GEK or higher....

CR: Good range, Good Fitting Requirments, Excesive RoF and Very good DPS. The weapon is Overall one of the best in the game, if the player does not mind the Burst Mechanic.The weapon truly has no weaknesess.


The SCR RIFLE: The SCR rifle has HORRIBLE Fitting requirments, horrible Overheat mechanic that after 1.8 with the Loss of the Heat sink in the amarr assault, it will make it even harder to use, a Sight that does not really help to fully use the weapons range...Overall a Mess. BUT , the ''CHARGE FEATURE'' is what makes the weapon powerful never the less.
The High Alpha damage of a (connected) charge shot of a SCR makes all the drawbacks bareble since it makes the weapon the best option for 1 vs 1 engagements with a very good Range...for now.

RR: The main weapon in discussion here. The weapon has High Damage per bullet , the best range and a miserable charge time (0.25) that was the thing SUPPOSED to balance it in CQ. EVEN if a charge time nerf (to .4 or .5) the riffle will be best at longer ranges.Now, before considering to touch the weapon ,i propose to let CCP know that other weapons need a buff, before NERFING one of the weapons that can actually kill as it is.The weapon has Very good hipfire and range,but looses many times to AR's and CR's in closer ranges due to higher RoF and lack of charge time and in the Med-Long ranges it goes 50/50 vs the SCR rifle since a charged shot wIll take more than -+ your HP...

Overall, i get into the forums and all i see is . RR is OP, RR needs nerf, whatever posts.
Some of them even have REAL good solutions for balancing it, but i say, AGAIn, for the last time.

Buff the other weapons before even talking about nerfin these one please.

Ty for your time.

Spool time is already too much of a pain in the ass just leave the weapon alone

KC knows what's up.

I get killed 90% of the time by CRs and do you see me QQ? No.

I take it and then engage the opponent at a longer range.

If you get killed by a rr in CQC, your doing something wrong.

EDIT: autocorrect, though art a a heartless d!ck

Well, the RR is simply OP because it is incredibly effective in CQC, the one range it is not suppose to be good at much less dominate. Further more, who was the genius that thought tighter hipfire spread makes weapons harder to use in CQC?

There's a reason most games have attributes that make hipfire tighter. Tighter hipfire only increases CQC ability, especially on fast suits.


Honestly though, increase the firing delay to .5 seconds and I guarantee the RR will be balanced.

@BL4CKST4R=
So then the AR is a niche? It doesn't do well in long range, and mid range belongs to the CR and RR. The only range it does good in is 0-48 and at this range it's only balanced with other rifles. And this isn't no "perception" I have both AR and RR specced to level 5.

Oh so you have RR and AR at level 5 so yo are right?
LOL. No.

It means that perception is not an "issue" because apparently the majority of the community doesn't have the mental capacity to understand perception vs fact. Well everybody but King Checkmate

You are just blinded by the longer range of the RR , which,true it does have an advantage over the AR in this scenario,but in the AR's optimal range, not only the Ar will shoot FIRST, but it will apply the damage FASTER, in the case both players dont miss a single bullet.Plus the AR is 100% easier to manage since it lacks RECOIL whatsoever and its a LOT easier to achieve headshot hits with it. Not saying the AR is better than the RR, but in its optimal range it all goes down to the User's skill...
People forget that DPS counts from the moment the WEAPON STARTS SHOOTING, it does not take into account those .25 you have to wait before starting to shoot.

Tap R1, The difference between a 1v1 fight vs a RR and a AR during those 1st two seconds is 100 if all your shots hit chances are that if all your shots hit all of his shot will hit to. Because you know, you guys aren't moving in this case the AR will obviously win, but nobody stands there and shoots people move around. Thus the higher alpha damage allows for more forgiving misses.

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This game does not allow for the existance of 1HKO weapons due to the ISK system, because of this the shotgun will never fill its proper role before it receives a hellstorm of nerf requests that CCP will unfortunately have to comply with. Reduction in the costs of dropsuits or increases to ISK gains would allow for the shotguns to be good again.

But the problem is not the weapon itself more like its whiny community , which sadly has no fix, thanks to people like you that request nerfs on anything that kills them.
The SG should achieve 1HKO levels, SAME as in ANY other FPS, regardless of what proto stompers think.
Its a shotgun, if you let a SCOUT get close to you, in a game where ''TTK is So LOW'' and 90% of the maps area are OPEN areas, you deserve to die.

When did the shotgun become a scout only weapon? What if the shotgun became a 1hko weapon and a medium suit with a ton of dampener and shield extenders got to you? No way to detect and it will be to late to retaliate. Here is a nice build if the shotgun becomes a 1hko weapon, Caldari Assault 3/4 extenders 2/3 dampeners, shotgun, magsec smg, and a scanner. Again the structure of this game does not allow for 1hko weapons, isn't that why the forge gun got nerfed against
Infantry. Here is a good example contact grenades!

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Yeah your counter argument is blatant misinformation, the highest DPS rifle is the RR, although the CR and ScR can achieve much higher DPS it is extremely difficult to achieve these DPS numbers. For example the ScR will overheat before it can reach its maximum DPS number, if it does all your shots HAVE to connect or it will overheat. As for the CR it can only max around 500 DPS in a non-laggy game, whenever there is lag its DPS gets cut down to around half making it the weakest rifle. As for the AR it remains as the lowest DPS rifle, although the DPS difference between the RR is small the RR does have higher DPS by around 2 points but it can apply its DPS at almost 50% the range, from close quarters to 80meters it's DPS remains the same.

You said it yourself XD HAHA.
The RR can be out DPS'ed!
Its harder but it can be done.
So basically: The RR has the easiest way to achieve high DPS, but not the highest one.
I can drop anyone using a RR with my SCR rifle before he shoots his 5th bullet so....
LAG is not what we are talking about here. All Auto weapons have advantage in laggy games.
The AR is still a powerful weapon in its range, if you loose vs a rail rifle you are doing it wrong.
I'd know, i can have great games using an AR....correction ,a BREACH AR.

YEAH I did say that... your point? Both the ScR and CR can apply higher DPS than the RR but neither of those can apply the RR DPS at its range, nor can they apply it as consistenyly and accurately because there is no DPS/Range penalty this makes the RR the highest DPS weapon. If you look at the CR applying it's near max DPS of 500 makes it kick like a donkey.

Yes lag is what I am talking about and it only applies to the burst CR not the ACR, the ACR is matched with the AR in dps.

THE AR does not become better at its range it stays the same... Therefore when a RR comes along they are matched. So using the AR and losing to a RR doesn't mean your doing it bad it just means the other player outgunned you, simply because the RR and the AR are matched in dps. Although the RR has a slight advantage in CQC due to its slightly higher DPS and better hip fire accuracy.

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TTK became a problem when regardless of what suit you use you will still die at roughly the same amount of time. If adding HP or adding speed etc increased your TTK even slightly it wouldn't be so much of a problem.

Funny: i do feel the difference between my 204 HP scout and my heavy.

That is a huge HP difference I meant within the tier itself not going up tiers.

2 complex armor, 1 adv armor on Fed. assault suit. Adv cal shows up with sb-39 RR.I throw flux, before flux goes off I'm dead in 2 seconds! I then watch my flux detonate on death screen. What a game.
I'm sure he hipfired his way to victory in cqc.
Why is the charge time the same on all tiers??

Most of the rail rifle complaints are based in hard facts, do the math and you'll see how the rail rifle is almost identical to the Ar's dps except with 30km more optimal and an almost ignorable charge time.

if its not OP then why is 99% of the kills in my kill feeds rail rifles from both teams? everyone is over-using it because it is op in close range. its not so much the damage but the hip fire accuracy which is smaller than my duvolle even with SS 5.

Ace,

RR is OP, RR needs nerf



Seriously though, I'd like to smoke some of whatever CCP was smoking when they decided that the racial rifle with the greatest range should have the highest damage per shot.

IIRC, Rails in Eve have overall the worst DPS, but massive range.

Yet here in Dust, they've got the highest damage per shot and the longest range of the racial rifles.

Am I the only one this doesn't make sense to?

Just saying, People only complain because of the number of people that use it. Important point to make.

You have to get used to the RR. If anything, pick one up. If you can't beat em, Join em. Its not even 15k SP to get the RR Skill. 1500 per Std Rail Rifle.

if its not OP then why is 99% of the kills in my kill feeds rail rifles from both teams?