DUST Search - THE RAIL RIFLE IS NOT OP

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

emtbraincase wrote:

anyone who thinks spool time has ANY impact on how the RR is used is either fooling themselves or has never run in a squad with scanners (which I find hard to believe). I have yet to see an RR user not firing just as I'm coming around a corner. Sometimes I have my high armor Logi with a Duvolle and can win slightly more often than not, however, If I don't have 160+ shields and 450+ armor I lose EVERY TIME.

You cannot use spool time as an example of it's "equalizing factor" when a scanner will show you exactly when to start firing so that the instant an enemy shows around a corner the ammo is already on the way. I do this with every other rifle, it's just that it doesn't really assist that much, but it can entirely eliminate most of the CQC balance in the RR. Thus making it OP in comparison to everything else, since that spool time is only happening when nobody is firing back.

P.S. To all RR defenders......I know you may try to refute this, but don't lie. You know you run with SOMEONE with a scanner in sqd when you are CQC with RR, and that is EXACTLY how you run it, effectively eliminating the spool time.

What a ridiculous argument. If someone is tracking you (as in, has his sights following your scanned red dot through the wall) before you even come round the corner, you're pretty much dead whatever weapon they're using. The one situation in which the spool time is neutralized is the one situation in which the RR user doesn't need it neutralized, because anyone with virtually any weapon would win the engagement.

I run a proto scanner with a RR about 30% of the time, and with an AR 70% of the time. AR is a delight to use in CQC. I ONLY use the RR when I expect long range engagements, and rarely (maybe one in ten of the RR games) find myself in the situation you describe. 95% of my kills with RR have no pre-firing. Even in CQC there are few situations in which it is viable. As anyone who uses the RR regularly knows, spool time is a massive limitation.


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emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 45	Posted - 2014.01.31 22:48:00 - [1] - Quote anyone who thinks spool time has ANY impact on how the RR is used is either fooling themselves or has never run in a squad with scanners (which I find hard to believe). I have yet to see an RR user not firing just as I'm coming around a corner. Sometimes I have my high armor Logi with a Duvolle and can win slightly more often than not, however, If I don't have 160+ shields and 450+ armor I lose EVERY TIME. You cannot use spool time as an example of it's "equalizing factor" when a scanner will show you exactly when to start firing so that the instant an enemy shows around a corner the ammo is already on the way. I do this with every other rifle, it's just that it doesn't really assist that much, but it can entirely eliminate most of the CQC balance in the RR. Thus making it OP in comparison to everything else, since that spool time is only happening when nobody is firing back. P.S. To all RR defenders......I know you may try to refute this, but don't lie. You know you run with SOMEONE with a scanner in sqd when you are CQC with RR, and that is EXACTLY how you run it, effectively eliminating the spool time.
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 46	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:02:00 - [2] - Quote I'm VERY happy with my Duvolle or Ascr, I just refuted the reason most have said the RR isn't OP. Spool is ineffective because too many ways around it, meaning your excuse for its non-OP-ness has been shot down. If you can come up with another reason it isn't OP, then I'm all ears. Like I said, I generally win when I prep for it (meaning my adv suits must die by this very method before I waste time/isk, I don't like going proto in pubs). I just don't think ANYONE should have to plan ahead, or go proto, simply for a long-range weapon in CQC. That is all.
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 46	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:27:00 - [3] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: emtbraincase wrote: anyone who thinks spool time has ANY impact on how the RR is used is either fooling themselves or has never run in a squad with scanners (which I find hard to believe). I have yet to see an RR user not firing just as I'm coming around a corner. Sometimes I have my high armor Logi with a Duvolle and can win slightly more often than not, however, If I don't have 160+ shields and 450+ armor I lose EVERY TIME. You cannot use spool time as an example of it's "equalizing factor" when a scanner will show you exactly when to start firing so that the instant an enemy shows around a corner the ammo is already on the way. I do this with every other rifle, it's just that it doesn't really assist that much, but it can entirely eliminate most of the CQC balance in the RR. Thus making it OP in comparison to everything else, since that spool time is only happening when nobody is firing back. P.S. To all RR defenders......I know you may try to refute this, but don't lie. You know you run with SOMEONE with a scanner in sqd when you are CQC with RR, and that is EXACTLY how you run it, effectively eliminating the spool time. What a ridiculous argument. If someone is tracking you (as in, has his sights following your scanned red dot through the wall) before you even come round the corner, you're pretty much dead whatever weapon they're using. The one situation in which the spool time is neutralized is the one situation in which the RR user doesn't need it neutralized, because anyone with virtually any weapon would win the engagement. I run a proto scanner with a RR about 30% of the time, and with an AR 70% of the time. AR is a delight to use in CQC. I ONLY use the RR when I expect long range engagements, and rarely (maybe one in ten of the RR games) find myself in the situation you describe. 95% of my kills with RR have no pre-firing. Even in CQC there are few situations in which it is viable. As anyone who uses the RR regularly knows, spool time is a massive limitation. I have an alt I specc'd into the RR with. The fitting has basic/mil items except for dmg mods and the adv RR. I rarely lose a CQC engagement with it even w/o a scanner. I am stating this from experience, the spool time is irrelevant. If you say otherwise I can, and will, call you a liar or not very good at managing the spool. If you constantly tap R1 then there is basically no spool up. Your point is, again, invalid.