... Except the RR's dps is equal to or less than the other rifles. Clearly it is not the one reponsible for low TTK, as TTK was an issue befor 1.7.

Not OP? This is the silliest weapon I-¦ve seen since early Beta. Please.. Stop talking nonsense.

Yep most other weapons are UP COMPARED to the rifles. Buffing most other weapons would simply waste developer time and decrease TTK. (Which is already low) So yes by that definition the rifles are OP since they are clearly better then most other weapons in this game and only a dumbass would buff pretty much EVERY OTHER WEAPON IN THE GAME instead of nerfing 4 especially considering the low TTK. (This game is supposed to be a high health tracking shooter not a low health twitch shooter like CoD) I know you like your OP weapon and want to keep it for as long as possible but that does not justify making everyone else suffer while CCP slowly buff the other weapons in the game.

Really it is simply common sense to nerf the four rifles instead of buffing most of the other weapons. If you can't see that then you obviously have no interest in balance or you are pretty stupid.

Yea the CR is supposed to be really good in CQC. That's why it's range is limited to short-medium range. (Although the Plasma Rifle is supposed to be superior to the CR in CQC)

If you nerf the RR, then it would be a little more on par with the AR.

But it would NEVER defeat a SCR or a CR.

Period.

Plus, a RR nerf wont help weapons like the SG,LR,MD,etc...AT ALL, so you are still not fixing the problem.

I'm not just saying nerf the RR I'm saying nerf the Scrambler, Plasma, Combat, and Rail rifles Also ScRs are supposed to be best in 1 vs 1 fights. It's disadvantage is not being able to take out multiple targets efficiently unlike the other 3 rifles (ScR = High alpha low DPS). Also the the CR is a bit too powerful.

Let me explain what happens if you INCREASE TTK (by nerfing Rifles):

GÖªScout gets behind enemy / Sneak attack / Cant kill enemy on time / Turns around / enemy wins
GÖªHeavies with LW would own the day
GÖªa Single Logi repairing a Heavy will be unstoppable unless 4 or more enemies attack at the SAME time the heavy or the logi.
With the LOW player count we have in dust, (in a infantry vs infantry scenario) 8 heavies and 8 logis would be unstoppable.
Literally.

What people dont consider is that in this game we have DIFFERENT weights in suits.
Most people requesting higher TTK are MED frames, since scouts know this wont help them survive more than .5 seconds and instead will make hunting enemies down harder and Heavies wont have a problem with the new Resistances incoming....So no.
Leave Rifles as they are, but make the MD a more powerful area denial weapon, the LR have more range and damage, The shotgun the Ultimate CQ shooting weapon, the PC have less reload and a lot more Splash damage, etc.......

deadlyAztec11 :''Well, the RR is simply OP because it is incredibly effective in CQC, the one range it is not suppose to be good at much less dominate''
GÖª The RR ''dominating'' in CQ is perception not a hard fact. The weapon i designed to be good at ALL ranges not only long ranges. Its a rifle , which are designed for this. If it only worked at long ranges , it would be considered a niche weapon same as the Laser R.

Kane Fyea:''I think all the rifles are OP (By rifles I mean the Rail, Combat, Scrambler, and Plasma rifles). They're clearly better then most other weapons in this game''
GÖª Nope. Incorrect. More like the rest of the weapons are Underpowered. Weapons like the shotgun and the LR need to be buffed to overpower Rifles in their niche, say Shotgun being overall OP at close range 1 HKO all light suits ,1 HKO med frames and 2 HKO Heavies and Tanked med frames.

Vermaak Doe:''Most of the rail rifle complaints are based in hard facts, do the math and you'll see how the rail rifle is almost identical to the Ar's dps except with 30km more optimal and an almost ignorable charge time.''
Logi Bro:''Stop.
GÖª There are no Hard facts, Most other rifles out DPS the Rail rifle ,not to mention they all apply MORE damage in less time due to RoF. Calculate this, i 5 seconds how many times you can shoot a CR and how many bullets come from a RR. Remember , each R1 press from a combat rifle does 96 AT LEAST with a STD CR, while being able to shoot faster than the RR.


Logi Bro:''Stop.
TTK is bad enough, and you propose to buff ALL other weapons instead of nerfing ONE?''
GÖª TTK is not bad enough.Actually is pretty fine and its mostly a Forum myth.Compared to Every other single FPS out there , dust gives you the ability to tank suits enough to take simultaneous fire from multiple enemies for a good 2+ seconds and survive.The perception that TTK is low comed from the fact we PAY for our suits and weapons, and we think that a PROTO suit that costs 150k+ than the ADV one deserves to last 5+ seconds more,and this is incorrect. want to last longer? tank a heavy.

KC knows what's up.

I get killed 90% of the time by CRs and do you see me QQ? No.

I take it and then engage the opponent at a longer range.

If you get killed by a rr in CQC, your doing something wrong.

EDIT: autocorrect, though art a a heartless d!ck

You miss the point, whilst also putting words in my mouth.

TTK is bad enough, buffing weapons makes it even worse. I never at any point said the RR is responsible. The RR WOULD be responsible IF CCP decided to buff every weapon just to make it balanced.

Yea that's what happens when you increase TTK too much. As the TTK is now diverse fittings don't matter simply because doing anything but adding damage or tank to your fitting isn't practical no longer. I love this game because of the skill and fitting systems but as it is now we might as well have no fitting system since the only fits that are practical to use are ones with either stacked damage mods, stacked armor and shields, or both. Also I'm someone who has used every weapon, suit, and vehicle this game has to offer so don't pull that I'm biased because I'm a medium frame shit. (If a respec comes around I'll be speccing fully into scout with a shotgun since that's what I love) Also you seem to not think about how scouts are right now. They're killed INSTANTLY by any of the racial rifles. So increasing TTK would actually help scouts survive longer then .5 seconds.

But seriously I think you're looking for Call of Duty since you obviously want a twitch shooter which this game is not supposed to be.

Ok, please consider my English writing levels are pretty low and i dont have acess to an English Corrector in this computer.
TY


ON THE RR, yeap.Pretty much what the title says.

1st- The opinion on the RR being OP is completly based on personal experiences but its not a hard fact, the RR is not the weapon dominating the battlefield like the TAC,LR,AR or MD were in their time.
2nd - As i stated before,this NERF THREADS are more based on personal experience of their (butthurt) Posters than actual Facts. In MY PERSONAL experience for example, the COMBAT RIFLE is the one thats completley broken, (The STD CR shoots 3 bullets per R1 button press for a total of 96 BASE damage, more than a VIZIAM SCR RIFLE per shot,while having better fitting requirments, a better scope,better ROF, no overheat mechanic....)
AND STILL you dont see me requesting a NERF for it.
Why?

I've learned something most of you still havent.

CCP ends up BUFFING UnderPowered stuff eventually.
(Some posts stating why the weapon is Underpowered is more than enough)
BUT they also nerf stuff on request,...OUR REQUESTS.

Example:
GÖª CCP noticed Tanks were Underpowered in Uprising.
GÖª Tankers Cried EVERY single day for AV nerf.

And what happened?
GÇó CCP Buffed tanks to reasonable levels
GÇó CCP Listened to QQ tankers, Nerfed AV.

Result:
Tank s***storm we are in now.
So, inbalance.

---

The Rifles are all in a GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, balanced among themselves pretty well:
AR: unlike most butthurtz Duvolle AR users pre 1.7, the ARs are in a good place right now. Good damage bonus, Decent range for a CQ oriented weapon, Great Hipfire, Good RoF. Mostly a Weapon that Apllies CONSTANT damage to the enemy in good chunks. If i can Do with a 'Toxin' AR (and im a pretty sucky AR user), you can do with a GEK or higher....

CR: Good range, Good Fitting Requirments, Excesive RoF and Very good DPS. The weapon is Overall one of the best in the game, if the player does not mind the Burst Mechanic.The weapon truly has no weaknesess.


The SCR RIFLE: The SCR rifle has HORRIBLE Fitting requirments, horrible Overheat mechanic that after 1.8 with the Loss of the Heat sink in the amarr assault, it will make it even harder to use, a Sight that does not really help to fully use the weapons range...Overall a Mess. BUT , the ''CHARGE FEATURE'' is what makes the weapon powerful never the less.
The High Alpha damage of a (connected) charge shot of a SCR makes all the drawbacks bareble since it makes the weapon the best option for 1 vs 1 engagements with a very good Range...for now.

RR: The main weapon in discussion here. The weapon has High Damage per bullet , the best range and a miserable charge time (0.25) that was the thing SUPPOSED to balance it in CQ. EVEN if a charge time nerf (to .4 or .5) the riffle will be best at longer ranges.Now, before considering to touch the weapon ,i propose to let CCP know that other weapons need a buff, before NERFING one of the weapons that can actually kill as it is.The weapon has Very good hipfire and range,but looses many times to AR's and CR's in closer ranges due to higher RoF and lack of charge time and in the Med-Long ranges it goes 50/50 vs the SCR rifle since a charged shot wIll take more than -+ your HP...

Overall, i get into the forums and all i see is . RR is OP, RR needs nerf, whatever posts.
Some of them even have REAL good solutions for balancing it, but i say, AGAIn, for the last time.

Buff the other weapons before even talking about nerfin these one please.

Ty for your time.

1-st - if a scout is seen ,hes doing it wrong.I run an Amarr assault with 400HP and a scout with 204HP , until yesterday, played solo most of the time (at least 95%), most of the time for amarr FW and i dont have less than 3K-D ratio....So...

2-nd-I havnt played a single CoD in my life.

TTk in Dust is high enough, then again, this is not directly the issue at hand.

Maybe you should play CoD then seeing that you obviously like a lower TTK. That'd be better then trying to change one of the only FPS with a higher TTK (Which currently is at CoDs level when it used to be higher before 1.5. 1.5 was when they made good improvements to the hit detection and also released a working aim assist)

But it isn't supposed to be good in CQC... it is a MID-LONG RANGE WEAPON.... I don't think anything about should be changed except a rof nerf around 20-30%.

Even though they apply more damage in lesd time because of a lower rof, the damage difference not only compensates for this, but the higher rof of the other rifles causes less controllable recoil, ensuring not every shot will hit.

Actually you were halfway right, the recoil on both is minimal, but pretty much every rifle needs to empty half the magazine to start recoiling. However that's where you stop being right, a lower rof makes the Rr's recoil more manageable.

Example:
GÖª CCP noticed Tanks were Underpowered in Uprising.
GÖª Tankers Cried EVERY single day for AV nerf.

And what happened?
GÇó CCP Buffed tanks to reasonable levels
GÇó CCP Listened to QQ tankers, Nerfed AV.

Result:
Tank s***storm we are in now.

Ok, please consider my English writing levels are pretty low and i dont have acess to an English Corrector in this computer.
TY


ON THE RR, yeap.Pretty much what the title says.

1st- The opinion on the RR being OP is completly based on personal experiences but its not a hard fact, the RR is not the weapon dominating the battlefield like the TAC,LR,AR or MD were in their time.
2nd - As i stated before,this NERF THREADS are more based on personal experience of their (butthurt) Posters than actual Facts. In MY PERSONAL experience for example, the COMBAT RIFLE is the one thats completley broken, (The STD CR shoots 3 bullets per R1 button press for a total of 96 BASE damage, more than a VIZIAM SCR RIFLE per shot,while having better fitting requirments, a better scope,better ROF, no overheat mechanic....)
AND STILL you dont see me requesting a NERF for it.
Why?

I've learned something most of you still havent.

CCP ends up BUFFING UnderPowered stuff eventually.
(Some posts stating why the weapon is Underpowered is more than enough)
BUT they also nerf stuff on request,...OUR REQUESTS.

Example:
GÖª CCP noticed Tanks were Underpowered in Uprising.
GÖª Tankers Cried EVERY single day for AV nerf.

And what happened?
GÇó CCP Buffed tanks to reasonable levels
GÇó CCP Listened to QQ tankers, Nerfed AV.

Result:
Tank s***storm we are in now.
So, inbalance.

---

The Rifles are all in a GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, balanced among themselves pretty well:
AR: unlike most butthurtz Duvolle AR users pre 1.7, the ARs are in a good place right now. Good damage bonus, Decent range for a CQ oriented weapon, Great Hipfire, Good RoF. Mostly a Weapon that Apllies CONSTANT damage to the enemy in good chunks. If i can Do with a 'Toxin' AR (and im a pretty sucky AR user), you can do with a GEK or higher....

CR: Good range, Good Fitting Requirments, Excesive RoF and Very good DPS. The weapon is Overall one of the best in the game, if the player does not mind the Burst Mechanic.The weapon truly has no weaknesess.


The SCR RIFLE: The SCR rifle has HORRIBLE Fitting requirments, horrible Overheat mechanic that after 1.8 with the Loss of the Heat sink in the amarr assault, it will make it even harder to use, a Sight that does not really help to fully use the weapons range...Overall a Mess. BUT , the ''CHARGE FEATURE'' is what makes the weapon powerful never the less.
The High Alpha damage of a (connected) charge shot of a SCR makes all the drawbacks bareble since it makes the weapon the best option for 1 vs 1 engagements with a very good Range...for now.

RR: The main weapon in discussion here. The weapon has High Damage per bullet , the best range and a miserable charge time (0.25) that was the thing SUPPOSED to balance it in CQ. EVEN if a charge time nerf (to .4 or .5) the riffle will be best at longer ranges.Now, before considering to touch the weapon ,i propose to let CCP know that other weapons need a buff, before NERFING one of the weapons that can actually kill as it is.The weapon has Very good hipfire and range,but looses many times to AR's and CR's in closer ranges due to higher RoF and lack of charge time and in the Med-Long ranges it goes 50/50 vs the SCR rifle since a charged shot wIll take more than -+ your HP...

Overall, i get into the forums and all i see is . RR is OP, RR needs nerf, whatever posts.
Some of them even have REAL good solutions for balancing it, but i say, AGAIn, for the last time.

Buff the other weapons before even talking about nerfin these one please.

Ty for your time.

At longer ranges.

again, they RR owns , TRUE, but at longer ranges.

40 mts or less any weapon can easily manage.

If not , this is a player's skill level problem and not a balaning issue.

SURE, other rifles should have a little of advantage on ANOTHER area since the RR has RANGE, and they do!

CR: RoF
AR:Hip fire + Clip Size + Easiest gun to use requiring the LEAST skill
SCR: Charged shot + Lack of need to restock ammo

If its Range whats bothering people, they might as well use the RR themselves! But then dont come whining in the Forums on how fast CR/SCR Drop you .... ;)

no, the scr rifle is also OP, everyone knows it, one of the main problems is hipfire+aim assist

Note that range alone is never an issue, but the damage done at that range is.