DUST Search - THE RAIL RIFLE IS NOT OP

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

@ Bradric Banewolf ''When I get lazy I grab a lvl one rail rifle, and just hipfire in cqc lol! You can say what you like, but you know were not lying lol! First time I used it it felt as if I was cheating! It's sooo easy! ''
Yeah,like you cant just hipfire with ALL the rifles at basic level and do great. Sure.

''In fact! Post the stats next to each other, and let the reader's decide :). None of you RR advocates will dare do that because you know what I'm saying is true. My second grader looked at the stats, and said "daddy use the RR it has crazy dmg!" Lol, and he's in the second grade.''
WEll, DPS maths do not include .25 spool time that reduced the true DPS below all rifles.

The breach assault rifle, for instance, is a short to mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Slow fire rate with high dmg. 51dmg, 400 rpm, clip size 36, and accuracy 56.92. No range stats, thanks ccp, but we all know we're not gonna fire too terribly far with it. It's primarily cqc. At lvl 5 the creadron breach assault rifle has the same fire rate, 56.10 dmg, accuracy 57.96, same clip size, and a higher meta lvl. Oh yeah, and a hefty price tag lol!
The Breach AR is UP, loosing to MLT weapons consistently. 51 Dmg is nothing because of the LOW ROF and can be surpassed by all rifles.Comparing a specialized ''COPY'' of the RR is not fair.

''The Rail Rifle! It's a fast-firing, precision weapon designed for field OPerations where penetrative power and RANGE are paramount. Note: it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magizine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. Lvl 1 RR 55 dmg, rate of fire 461.54 rpm, accuracy rating 58.28, clip size 42. Oh my! It's already better than the lvl 5 creadron breach at everything the creadron is made for with more range and everything else! Wait! Buy a lvl one rail, and outclass lvl 5 AR's for approximately 75,780 isk less!''
The rail rifle is not fast firing (all Rifles shoot faster), it IS precise (same as all Rifles). Again you are comparing an UP weapon with a fully functional one, this is why CCP is buffing the Breach AR. NOT nerfing the RR.

I could do them all, but I know you all can read. What shocks me is some of you want the AR to be nerfed even more so that the only half decently viable weapon to use against the rail is rendered useless?! That whole charge time is utterly unnoticed when using the RR. The scr's heat build up is a crutch, along with the LR's heat build up. The rail easily beats all other rifles in practical applications, stats be damned, and you know it. You saw that what we all saw, and went full ****** into it sp wise. Now your posting this afraid of the inevitable ccp OP weapon nerfing lol! It's not like they're gonna nerf it into oblivion like everyone seems to want them to do with the AR. Just gonna bring it down like the mass driver.
I never said the AR needs a nerf, but i do understand that you ARE , in fact a butthurt AR player that finally met his match.
..like the mass driver? so unusable? You are afraid. Its ok bro. Changes are scary. But CCP will not be nerfing the RR just because a small part of the community , mostly Armor tankers that run in the open and AR users, (funny enough, CR,SCR users dont QQ so much about rail rifles). AGAIN,this is not when the TAC or FLaylock were used by 90+% of the people playing dust514.


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Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 67	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:01:00 - [1] - Quote No need in arguing with these guys?! They want a prevalent "I win button" regardless to what you say or how much sense you make lol! They know it's OP, and they're happy about it. Same with the tank. I imagine once the game is actually decently balanced all these kinds of guys will go elsewhere lol! Just look at the stats on all the weapons, and even someone who doesn't play can see it's OP. If you can't your slow. Try using any other weapon for a day and you'll see. Why do you think we haven't gotten range stats yet hmmm? That's the biggest most important stat, and we don't have it because it's incriminating evidence to the fact that the RR or any other OP weapon is in fact OP. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 67	Posted - 2014.01.31 23:10:00 - [2] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: I'm VERY happy with my Duvolle or Ascr, I just refuted the reason most have said the RR isn't OP. Spool is ineffective because too many ways around it, meaning your excuse for its non-OP-ness has been shot down. If you can come up with another reason it isn't OP, then I'm all ears. Like I said, I generally win when I prep for it (meaning my adv suits must die by this very method before I waste time/isk, I don't like going proto in pubs). I just don't think ANYONE should have to plan ahead, or go proto, simply for a long-range weapon in CQC. That is all. Exactly! Teams prepare for tanks, not a single rifle?! It's OP! Get over it! If it wasn't ccp wouldn't be nerfing it. It was boosted for sells along with the CR. But atleast the CR takes some skill. You can hipfire the RR all match and come out on top lol! Show me another rifle that has that ability? I'll wait? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 70	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:31:00 - [3] - Quote When I get lazy I grab a lvl one rail rifle, and just hipfire in cqc lol! You can say what you like, but you know were not lying lol! First time I used it it felt as if I was cheating! It's sooo easy! Calling me "butthurt" won't change that, and just makes you look like an idiot who can't debate a topic reasonably?! In fact! Post the stats next to each other, and let the reader's decide :). None of you RR advocates will dare do that because you know what I'm saying is true. My second grader looked at the stats, and said "daddy use the RR it has crazy dmg!" Lol, and he's in the second grade. The breach assault rifle, for instance, is a short to mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Slow fire rate with high dmg. 51dmg, 400 rpm, clip size 36, and accuracy 56.92. No range stats, thanks ccp, but we all know we're not gonna fire too terribly far with it. It's primarily cqc. At lvl 5 the creadron breach assault rifle has the same fire rate, 56.10 dmg, accuracy 57.96, same clip size, and a higher meta lvl. Oh yeah, and a hefty price tag lol! The Rail Rifle! It's a fast-firing, precision weapon designed for field OPerations where penetrative power and RANGE are paramount. Note: it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magizine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. Lvl 1 RR 55 dmg, rate of fire 461.54 rpm, accuracy rating 58.28, clip size 42. Oh my! It's already better than the lvl 5 creadron breach at everything the creadron is made for with more range and everything else! Wait! Buy a lvl one rail, and outclass lvl 5 AR's for approximately 75,780 isk less! I could do them all, but I know you all can read. What shocks me is some of you want the AR to be nerfed even more so that the only half decently viable weapon to use against the rail is rendered useless?! That whole charge time is utterly unnoticed when using the RR. The scr's heat build up is a crutch, along with the LR's heat build up. The rail easily beats all other rifles in practical applications, stats be damned, and you know it. You saw that what we all saw, and went full ****** into it sp wise. Now your posting this afraid of the inevitable ccp OP weapon nerfing lol! It's not like they're gonna nerf it into oblivion like everyone seems to want them to do with the AR. Just gonna bring it down like the mass driver. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 71	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:41:00 - [4] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Exactly for example. 1 on 1 i havnt lost to a RR unless he starts shooting first because he saw me first (by at least 2-3 seconds of advantage) or attacks me from behind. My SCR will win 99% of those encounters if his in my optimal, if they shoot me outside my optimal, i'll just take cover. Then I cant say i can take on 3+ guys at the SAME TIME with my SCR ,because i use the Charged shot feature ,this is impossible and would result in overheat, i do see however my AR doing it.... Your just arguing to argue smh?! No AR can take on 3+ RR's in a fight and win?! I don't care what the circumstances are lol! You know that's bull, and your just playing devil's advocate. If that was the case, why does no one ever beat nyain san? Because they all have proto AR's right lol! Last I chaecked their whole squad will run proto RR's and CR's, and wipe you out in an ambush in 2:30 lol! Not breach assault rifle's, or any other rifle's lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 71	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:44:00 - [5] - Quote I'm done lol! You got it bro lol! I gotta go to work lol! We all know wassup while you, on the other hand, need some glasses lmao! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 73	Posted - 2014.02.01 18:11:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Bradric Banewolf ''When I get lazy I grab a lvl one rail rifle, and just hipfire in cqc lol! You can say what you like, but you know were not lying lol! First time I used it it felt as if I was cheating! It's sooo easy! '' Yeah,like you cant just hipfire with ALL the rifles at basic level and do great. Sure. ''In fact! Post the stats next to each other, and let the reader's decide :). None of you RR advocates will dare do that because you know what I'm saying is true. My second grader looked at the stats, and said "daddy use the RR it has crazy dmg!" Lol, and he's in the second grade.'' WEll, DPS maths do not include .25 spool time that reduced the true DPS below all rifles. The breach assault rifle, for instance, is a short to mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Slow fire rate with high dmg. 51dmg, 400 rpm, clip size 36, and accuracy 56.92. No range stats, thanks ccp, but we all know we're not gonna fire too terribly far with it. It's primarily cqc. At lvl 5 the creadron breach assault rifle has the same fire rate, 56.10 dmg, accuracy 57.96, same clip size, and a higher meta lvl. Oh yeah, and a hefty price tag lol! The Breach AR is UP, loosing to MLT weapons consistently. 51 Dmg is nothing because of the LOW ROF and can be surpassed by all rifles.Comparing a specialized ''COPY'' of the RR is not fair. ''The Rail Rifle! It's a fast-firing, precision weapon designed for field OPerations where penetrative power and RANGE are paramount. Note: it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magizine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. Lvl 1 RR 55 dmg, rate of fire 461.54 rpm, accuracy rating 58.28, clip size 42. Oh my! It's already better than the lvl 5 creadron breach at everything the creadron is made for with more range and everything else! Wait! Buy a lvl one rail, and outclass lvl 5 AR's for approximately 75,780 isk less!'' The rail rifle is not fast firing (all Rifles shoot faster), it IS precise (same as all Rifles). Again you are comparing an UP weapon with a fully functional one, this is why CCP is buffing the Breach AR. NOT nerfing the RR. I could do them all, but I know you all can read. What shocks me is some of you want the AR to be nerfed even more so that the only half decently viable weapon to use against the rail is rendered useless?! That whole charge time is utterly unnoticed when using the RR. The scr's heat build up is a crutch, along with the LR's heat build up. The rail easily beats all other rifles in practical applications, stats be damned, and you know it. You saw that what we all saw, and went full ****** into it sp wise. Now your posting this afraid of the inevitable ccp OP weapon nerfing lol! It's not like they're gonna nerf it into oblivion like everyone seems to want them to do with the AR. Just gonna bring it down like the mass driver. I never said the AR needs a nerf, but i do understand that you ARE , in fact a butthurt AR player that finally met his match. ..like the mass driver? so unusable? You are afraid. Its ok bro. Changes are scary. But CCP will not be nerfing the RR just because a small part of the community , mostly Armor tankers that run in the open and AR users, (funny enough, CR,SCR users dont QQ so much about rail rifles). AGAIN,this is not when the TAC or FLaylock were used by 90+% of the people playing dust514. You've said nothing here, and are just denying cold facts regardless of how true they are. I gave you in-game stats verbatum. The rail rifle has a faster fire rate than the breach and tactical rifles. Just look for crying out loud. And we both know the spool up time is barely felt. I never said I didn't like the rail rifle, or that I was an AR user. Those were your assumptions as you have been on the defensive for some time now. What I am saying is that the rail rifle has more dmg than most, if not all rifles, with no shortcomings in any department. The spool up time is too miniscule to be considered a serious drawback. I compensated for that immediately. The AR is for assaulting or defending points, period. Any AR user trying to run around in the open is a lunatic. It's class has multiple variant types for multiple applications. I actually like where it is right now. It needs no buff! Buffing it back to where CCP nerfed it from originally is just stupid, and will ruin TTK?! Remember! TTK is what seperates a strategically tactical game from playing story mode on call of duty?! Buffing the weapons only makes players stack as many dmg mods as they can, forsaking shields, armor, and rechargers because they know they won't last long enough for any of this to be of use?! Is this the game you guys want? Weapons capable of bypassing armor and shields in less than a second? At the rate your talking the first player seen is dead?! Leading down the path of more snipers in game. Tanks are buffed so players either go anti armor, only to be wiped out by buffed rifles, or head to the redline to snipe?! Some fun?! Longer TTK leads to better battles, strategical and tactical application, and more thought put into dropsuits to help squad tactics. Less TTK turns this game into call of duty. Where there's just a race to get the game first, and get the betterweapon first?! The proverbial "I win button" I was referring to earlier. The rail rifle doesn't need to be nerfed because "I'm butthurt"?! It represents another idea from CCP that could ruin the potential of this game. Like the district locking episode?! We called that a disaster before it started?! Now look at the market we seem to not be getting because of it. Corpswith bilions due to district locking. The market will be flooded! Ever hear of inflation? If we just buff weapons making dropsuit defenses useless, I hope your next thread is about buffing armor and shields lol! "Anybody order chaos?"