Nice idea but how does that make sense lore wise?

Fitting it in lore wise would be a bit of a stretch but not too much - the slow grenade regen would mean minmatar assaults would more often than not have grenades, so there's the racial explosive thing,. tho tbh i hate anything that promotes explosive spam in this game.

The ammo regen comes from the suit's role and the minmatar hit and run flanker/ranger fighting style. That role means that by necessity the minmatar assault is often separated from any support so the ammo regen gives the independence to fulfill that role, frees up the equipment slot for ranger type gear: scanners or RE's.

What i like most about the ammo/grenade regen is that it's not a buff to damage and doesn't affect TTK.

Son, the Minmatar Assault was never worth running. Hell l, the only time it was ever decent was back when the hit detection was screwy.

I mean how do you justify the technology.

Nanites restore our ammo. Nanites are Caldari Tech, thus it would only make sense if anyone could do it, it would be the Caldari.

the minmatar still need the boost to shield regen, decreased shield delay and armor regen (low but still there)

Agreed. Just throwing out ideas, sorry if i muddied the thread - it's a bad habit.

in comparison to other drop suits of the same class, which do you think is the most underpowered?
Min Assault
Min Scout
Min Logi

Ok as there appears to be a bit of confusion as too the minmatar in Eve being able to dual tank this is simply not true. Some minmatar ships are Shield tanked and some ships are Armor tanked no minmatar ship is both tanked it simply is not going to be a good fit if it does

Shield Tankers: In genral shield tanking minmatar ships have above average weapon systems be it more range more dps or tracking these things may not take as much abuse as other races ships but they have better weapon systems due to having a decent low slot lay out as well as a decent medium layout for shield and prop

like the stabber (non fleet issue) which is a fast hit and run cruiser capable of fitting a some shield and alot of weapon mods due to its fitting style its also a very fast ship alot faster than cruisers of other races,
+Fast
+Long range (even with CQC guns)
+Good Dps
+hit and run pilots wet dream
-Low ehp

The other shield tank types for minmatar are the Cyclone a heavy active tank that can fit over sized modules designed for battleship to very good effect due to bonuses to active rep
+can be fit with a very good active tank for taking damge for short periods of time
+Fast
+Can apply good Dps for a missile ship
-Low Ehp

Tornado is basicly guns with a engine this thing is the definitive glass cannon
+Massive alpha hit with arty great DPs with Auto cannons
+Fast
-Very low ehp for a ship its size with no point in trying to tank it

the Maelstorm the undisputed T1 king of GUNS this is a battleship classed ship that can make use of the same shield boosting modules as the cyclone only in general can use more of them but its real bonus is its massive array of weapons with its bonus to them, this ship is however weaker in therms of EHP to other ships of its size but can have a fairly good active tank using arcinary shield boosters.
+Basicly the weapons systems or a tornado combined with a good low slot load out for weapon mods so good range
+Good active tank
+Its a badassed looking ship
-relitively low ehp

Armor tanked minmatar ships are brawlers high ehp usually because they use over sized modules in genreal they will have less Dps and weapon capability than a shiled minmatar ship but due to natural bonus to weapons they out do all other races armor tanked ships weapons systems, these things however have alot of ability to fit Ewar like webs to slow down and stop enemy ships from running away this basicly means all armor minmatar ships that i can think of fall into the catagory of heavy tackle brawlers.

Rupture:
+Good weapons
+Good EHP
+good Ewar capability
-kinda slow

Hurricane: the once infamous Cane is a shadow of its once mighty self it was once OP as hell kinda the cal logi of dust but still a force to be recond with, this is a ship that straight out of the box will have a 25% dps bonus on other races ships due to natural skill bonuses
+Good damage
+Good EHP (compatible with other armour Battle cruisers)
+Good Ewar or range if pure brawler fit
-Again king of slow

Tempest: Ugly as hell but basicly brawler canes big brother this thing when fit right can have good range great dameage good EHP (Not the best but is a good try) again its slow

I hope this kind of gives a idea as to what people mean the minmatar ships can either shield tank or armor tank its not that one ship can its that the ships are very diverse. id like to see this as a possiblility in the future as they rebalence minmater if the bring back Type 1 and Type 2 suits one armor brawer based and one shield hit and run

How to do this well the need to either make shield tanked minmatar suits either the undisputed king of guns or give them much faster shield regen like you have suggested D, this is kind of complicated as its all screwed up with damage mods filling the opposite slot in dust than eve so conventional damage shield tanked min set ups are not that do able, The Type 2 suits need to bascily be more armour orientated with a decent amount of slots for their lets call it a party peice this is either going to be alot of damage i only suggest this due to damage mods being in the opposite place or alot of Ewar or range augmenters like traditional minmatar armour heavy tackle brawlers and pure brawlers.

minmatar logi:
The minmatar logi will become the most worthless suit in the game. its the logi with the lowest, ehp, only marginally higher speed (.3 extra m/s ..ohhhhhh) which is neutralized when you put on armor plates to have any actually ehp. now it gets a bonus to armor repair tools. Great! except the rep tool is being nerfed into the ground so, there is no point to it. at proficiency you get less range and rep rate than you have now. Most minmatar suits dnt have enough armor to be repaired anyway. galente heavies could use the rep, but they have innate reps anyway, and their are better suits that can use rep tools.
all and all the hack speed is gone, the rep tool is broke (gonna have half the range in 1.8), and minmatar logi is garbage, like all the other minmatar suits. So, this is reason enough for a respec itself.


minmatar scout:
The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? Besides being papaer thin, its got absolutely no advantage on the battlefield.


Minmatar assault:
the minmatar assault suit gets a bonus to minmatar weapons and ammo size, but the low ehp means you probably won't survive long enough to take advantage of that. hint: using minmatar weapons at range =/= kills. Basically anyother medium frame assualt suit is better. in fact you might as well run a gallente suit with minmatar weapons. you move at about the same rate.


Minmatar commando:
the minmatar commando may be useful. but again its a commando suit, with same ehp at proto as a standard caldari or galente frame. its really, slow, and will have a hugh hit box. it will do more damage, that could make a difference.... could if the suit itself wasn't so terrible.


the minmatar sentinel:
the minmatar heavy is literally a slower medium frame wth lower ehp potential than a galente and caldari standard frame, a larger hit box than said frames and slower speed. But it can carry an hmg!... moving at 4.08m/s its not even the fastest heavy. so, it is the second worst suit in the game. the first being the minma logi, third worst as scout then minma assault.



TL;DR


minmatar suit should have the folowing stats in this order.
minmatar scout = shield recharge delay 2 sec, shield recharge 45hp/s. innate armor rep 2hps

minmatar medium frame (assault and logi) = shield recharge delay 3 seconds, sheild recharge 40hp/s. innate armor rep. 2hp/s

minmatar heavy frame = shield recharge delay 3.5 seconds, shield recharge 40 hp/s. innate armor rep 2hp/s

Son, the Minmatar Assault was never worth running. Hell l, the only time it was ever decent was back when the hit detection was screwy.

Don't you two start bitching. Until you've been on the other end of a Thrasher fleet with a couple of neuting ships with their ludicrously good Alpha you aint got nothing to complain about.

And everyone bloody well like the Minmatar. They are boring ass freedom junkie faction that everyone picks cuz "FREEEDOM".

So if I consistently go positive using a Minmatar assault (like I do) skilling into a different assault suit would make me OP? .

Min scout best speed hacker for PC role established, shotgunner that's what lightning uses and he's very good, fastest move speed goes well with shotgun and NK, never doubt NK mr.mustard will kill you unless your constantly on a swivel.
Min heavy - bad a bit faster, crappy resistance, needs an extra low honestly and faster regen.
Personally I think the min assualt will be good but could use more shield regen
Min logi- best chubby chaser, makes rep tool viable, even slot layout it's meh but why is it armor based and again more regen.

Joke topic? Must be, because bar none the amarrian suits are the worst.

Minmatar are the fastest, the have above average speed and recovery, some suits get inate armor rep, and looks like the bonuses on their future suits are going to be awesome.

Amarr get -1 slot because..... I guess because they look good?

Oh, dual-tanking race.... lol

Oh and even the starter suit have wtf two high slots??

minmatar heavy has the worst resistance.

seriously? 2% resistance per level to Lazer weapons? Scr and lazer tech gets +20% to sheilds. at proficiency 5 a scrambler has 15% extra damage. so a scrambler rifle will do 35% extra damage to my shields.

at proficiency 5 my minmatar sentinel will have only 10% resistence meaning the amar still get a 25% bonus to my shields.

so, not only does it only have about the same ehp as a galente or caldari medium frame but its more suceptible to its enemies weakness than the rest, because its resistence doesnt save it from rail tech, and does nothing for lazer tech.

Min scout best speed hacker for PC role established, shotgunner that's what lightning uses and he's very good, fastest move speed goes well with shotgun and NK, never doubt NK mr.mustard will kill you unless your constantly on a swivel.
Min heavy - bad a bit faster, crappy resistance, needs an extra low honestly and faster regen.
Personally I think the min assualt will be good but could use more shield regen
Min logi- best chubby chaser, makes rep tool viable, even slot layout it's meh but why is it armor based and again more regen.

Lightning has personally agreed with me that the minmitar scout is underpowered compared to gallente, therefore your argument that the minmitar scout is a great shotgunner doesn't work. I do agree that they will be great speed hackers, but thats their only role, which renders them useless in 99% of the game, or at least not as viable as a gallente scout

Set up strawman arguemnts much?

Proficiency is additive to all weapons, so you can factor that out and eliminate it. Otherwise.... hey explosives do 95% dmg to shield.... and the combat rifle does 110/125 damage. See just looks stupid.

Anyway, amarr resistance is worse. We have like no shield at all, but yet a bonus to them??? yeah that makes sense on the ARMOR TANKING RACE.

Well, every scout is underpowered next to the gallente.

The minmatar scout is OP next to the amarr scout.

I think that puts the minmatar scout in a good spot, and the others should be adjusted to it.

Well, every scout is underpowered next to the gallente.

The minmatar scout is OP next to the amarr scout.

I think that puts the minmatar scout in a good spot, and the others should be adjusted to it.

Lightning has personally agreed with me that the minmitar scout is underpowered compared to gallente, therefore your argument that the minmitar scout is a great shotgunner doesn't work. I do agree that they will be great speed hackers, but thats their only role, which renders them useless in 99% of the game, or at least not as viable as a gallente scout

He uses em its all I've ever seen him run