DUST Search - Why are all minmatar suits losing their base armor rep rate in 1.8?

D legendary hero wrote:

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

so with the wepaons. anyone can use ar's betetr then an assault gk.o without that reduction to hip-fire kick/dispersion and still manage to land hits just as good?

with the speed. minmattar medium frames run as fast as an un-kincat'd scout

thier heavy runs as fast as a medium frame.

thier scout can achive over 10m/s easly.

they have lower profles than other suits.

thier wepaons are quite anoying and in some cases OP. and thier assult suit gets a retartdley sized clip for its combat rifle,mass driver, smg, flaylock pistol.

how is the minmatarr underpowered?

No scout in the game can go over 10 m/s. the game engine cannot handle it.

minmatars DO NOT have lower scan profiles than other suits. Caldari have precision, and galente have dampening innately higher.

The difference between the minmatar heavies movement speed and a caldari/galente is negligible. when plates are stacked a galente is significantly slower, but not exactly so slow that they cant keep up, namely if i engagge a galente heavy with a minmatar sentinel, i cannot disengage because my speed is not that much greater.

minmatar heavy frame has a the same hit box as the other heavies, with the same ehp as a medium frame.

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D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1857	Posted - 2014.04.15 18:35:00 - [301] - Quote Atiim wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: current speed advantages offered by minmatar dropsuits far exceed any caldari ehp setups. There is more to the game than standing still and whittling down each others health plus minmatar dropsuits are far more versatile, infact minmatar get more low slots on the whole, they are generally better by default alone. Also combat rifle. Minmatar aint going now here lol Actually, the Caldari have more low slots (at PRO), and the same low slots at STD & ADV Tiers (well, at least for the medium frames). 4/3 allows for far more combinations than 5/2, making ck.0 more versatile than mk.0 Though the only problems I find with Minmatar suits is the fact that they have a lower regen than Caldari suits, and the snare effect wiith hit-scan weapons. This. ;) Are we really asking for anything more than just a Little more speed and much better regen. This would balance them and solidify the minmatar play style. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1857	Posted - 2014.04.15 18:37:00 - [302] - Quote I find the argument that minmatar have a higher learning curve and requiere aditional skill to use as a justification ludacrous. Having speed is not so great an advantage that minkatar need be inferior in every other regard. If you have to have so much skill to use mulibmatar suits effectively, would not logic dictate that you would just do better in another race's suit? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1939	Posted - 2014.04.16 03:51:00 - [303] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: I find the argument that minmatar have a higher learning curve and requiere aditional skill to use as a justification ludacrous. Having speed is not so great an advantage that minkatar need be inferior in every other regard. If you have to have so much skill to use mulibmatar suits effectively, would not logic dictate that you would just do better in another race's suit? becuase minmatar work in a very specific way, and you cant the the performance needed out of anything but a minmatar suit, you can do it in other suits sure but once you reach a certain point if you not in a minmatar suit you can FEEL that caldari suit holding you back. so no, in the area of positional advantage and the playstyles that come with it, you absolutly positivly cannot do better in a suit that isnt minmatar. you have to change the playstyle in other suits to make up for the defecit. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3450	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:34:00 - [304] - Quote I've been running 30-2 games in my mini assault its my best suit, but buff it why the hell not. Sir Hadah for CPM
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 136	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:35:00 - [305] - Quote I think minmatar could be faster if the system could handle it. If someone else has already said that im sorry I Start To Wonder If I Am Masochistic After Playing This Game...........
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 294	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:39:00 - [306] - Quote so with the wepaons. anyone can use ar's betetr then an assault gk.o without that reduction to hip-fire kick/dispersion and still manage to land hits just as good? with the speed. minmattar medium frames run as fast as an un-kincat'd scout thier heavy runs as fast as a medium frame. thier scout can achive over 10m/s easly. they have lower profles than other suits. thier wepaons are quite anoying and in some cases OP. and thier assult suit gets a retartdley sized clip for its combat rifle,mass driver, smg, flaylock pistol. how is the minmatarr underpowered? *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 720	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:45:00 - [307] - Quote My take on this is simple. Minmatar assault has same base speed as a scout. With scanner nerf it is much harder to find anyone. With damage mod nerf sheild tanking is absolutely viable. 3 high slots at adv with that speed is awesome. This game has gone skill and mobility over tanking. If you can dance min assaualt in pubs is beautiful. If anything give it one more low slot at proto. Complaining about min logi with 4 high & 4 low is lust crazy. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 779	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:24:00 - [308] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: thier wepaons are quite anoying and in some cases OP. and thier assult suit gets a retartdley sized clip for its combat rifle,mass driver, smg, flaylock pistol. They took the explosive weapons clip size bonus out before the changes went live due to negative feedback from the community. So the only weapons that benefit the clip size increase are the CR, ACR, and SMG. Not weighing in on one side or the other (As minmatar suits are one of the few I have little experience with on alts), but just correcting some information. Amarr Master - All Amarr Dropsuits at lvl 5. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1862	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:25:00 - [309] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I've been running 30-2 games in my mini assault its my best suit, but buff it why the hell not. dnt you mean your galente scout suit? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1862	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:27:00 - [310] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: thier wepaons are quite anoying and in some cases OP. and thier assult suit gets a retartdley sized clip for its combat rifle,mass driver, smg, flaylock pistol. They took the explosive weapons clip size bonus out before the changes went live due to negative feedback from the community. So the only weapons that benefit the clip size increase are the CR, ACR, and SMG. Not weighing in on one side or the other (As minmatar suits are one of the few I have little experience with on alts), but just correcting some information. exactly. proving that in a wholistic gview most of the community either hate or have apathey for minmatar. nerf after nerf, including PRENERFs.... Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1862	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:32:00 - [311] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so with the wepaons. anyone can use ar's betetr then an assault gk.o without that reduction to hip-fire kick/dispersion and still manage to land hits just as good? with the speed. minmattar medium frames run as fast as an un-kincat'd scout thier heavy runs as fast as a medium frame. thier scout can achive over 10m/s easly. they have lower profles than other suits. thier wepaons are quite anoying and in some cases OP. and thier assult suit gets a retartdley sized clip for its combat rifle,mass driver, smg, flaylock pistol. how is the minmatarr underpowered? No scout in the game can go over 10 m/s. the game engine cannot handle it. minmatars DO NOT have lower scan profiles than other suits. Caldari have precision, and galente have dampening innately higher. The difference between the minmatar heavies movement speed and a caldari/galente is negligible. when plates are stacked a galente is significantly slower, but not exactly so slow that they cant keep up, namely if i engagge a galente heavy with a minmatar sentinel, i cannot disengage because my speed is not that much greater. minmatar heavy frame has a the same hit box as the other heavies, with the same ehp as a medium frame. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 399	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:21:00 - [312] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so with the wepaons. anyone can use ar's betetr then an assault gk.o without that reduction to hip-fire kick/dispersion and still manage to land hits just as good? with the speed. minmattar medium frames run as fast as an un-kincat'd scout thier heavy runs as fast as a medium frame. thier scout can achive over 10m/s easly. they have lower profles than other suits. thier wepaons are quite anoying and in some cases OP. and thier assult suit gets a retartdley sized clip for its combat rifle,mass driver, smg, flaylock pistol. how is the minmatarr underpowered? No scout in the game can go over 10 m/s. the game engine cannot handle it. minmatars DO NOT have lower scan profiles than other suits. Caldari have precision, and galente have dampening innately higher. The difference between the minmatar heavies movement speed and a caldari/galente is negligible. when plates are stacked a galente is significantly slower, but not exactly so slow that they cant keep up, namely if i engagge a galente heavy with a minmatar sentinel, i cannot disengage because my speed is not that much greater. minmatar heavy frame has a the same hit box as the other heavies, with the same ehp as a medium frame. I run 11.12 with my Proto Min Scout. It's achievable but it supposedly messes with the hitbox of the user. So shots are lagged or some crap like that. I'll play the blues for you. -- Albert King
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 376	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:21:00 - [313] - Quote My Mattari Commando is a boss. I don't think blanket statements are wise. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 116	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:09:00 - [314] - Quote I love it. Minmatar needs to dig into its niche a little more. I run minnie scouts and the idea of being the ultimate in guerilla warfare sounds appealing to me.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 749	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:15:00 - [315] - Quote My Min heavy run at 7.15 while ADV and 7.50 in PRO For sure not an easy suit tu play with, one of the most challenging suit. But i like it, really. Maybe a little buff at strafe speed will be good. Don't touch the sprint speed, just the movement. Cal.Heavy-Min.Heavy-Amarr.Heavy Believe in the FORGE, young padawans SoloDoloreSuCharlie
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1025	Posted - 2014.04.24 20:25:00 - [316] - Quote Everybody, please don't base your opinions too heavily on Eve's racial philosophy. While it gives a nice place to start designing, it's perfectly okay for a race to have different approach to mile long starships and infantry ground troops. Came back to Dust from a break and what did I find? Cloakies with physical invisibility which works in all situations.=(
lampwizard Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.04.24 20:31:00 - [317] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: No scout in the game can go over 10 m/s. the game engine cannot handle it. Can you talk a little more about this? I'm assuming a suit with 11m/s speed moves faster than one with 10m/s.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1869	Posted - 2014.04.28 17:49:00 - [318] - Quote Jastad wrote: My Min heavy run at 7.15 while ADV and 7.50 in PRO For sure not an easy suit tu play with, one of the most challenging suit. But i like it, really. Maybe a little buff at strafe speed will be good. Don't touch the sprint speed, just the movement. Im asking for a shield recharge bonus and to reduce the delay by 1or 2. An innate armor rep will help them do their job to hit and run away, and then comback with full health. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1869	Posted - 2014.04.28 17:51:00 - [319] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: My Mattari Commando is a boss. I don't think blanket statements are wise. Jump off a building, u will fall down. Blankett statements are wise when they are true. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1869	Posted - 2014.04.28 17:53:00 - [320] - Quote lampwizard wrote: D legendary hero wrote: No scout in the game can go over 10 m/s. the game engine cannot handle it. Can you talk a little more about this? I'm assuming a suit with 11m/s speed moves faster than one with 10m/s. The numbers say it, but the game engine cnt handle the movement. Which ia Why speed tanking ia broke. Remember scouts 1.6? The game stopped them from moving properly and they would lagg across the screen their hit Box wouldnt move with them. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1880	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:52:00 - [321] - Quote my people have suffered far too long. all we need is better shield recharger, a shorter delay and a 1/hp pper second armor regend. that is not alot since ehp will remain the same, and their squishiness will be the same Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1880	Posted - 2014.05.09 04:05:00 - [322] - Quote seeing as the game just became pointless. this fight is futile. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Atlacatl Jaguar Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.05.09 04:58:00 - [323] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seeing as the game just became pointless. this fight is futile. Lol this is true sir. Useless thread now We were/are console beta testers aka guinea pigs for a PC game. Unknowingly participating in something destined to fail


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