A few things:
One: Minmatar are not armor guys, 5/2 slots is all the proof you need. Yeah yeah they're hybrid and use whatever works blah blah blah, but they're obviously biased towards shields.

Two:
While Gallente are armor regenerators, they're still not as fast at regenerating as Caldari.
So Gallente are supposed to have higher eHP than Caldari, and lower regen than Caldari.

to be fair minmatar suits shouldn't have ever had that bonus as it made no sense given they prefer shield tanking.

I'm Minmatar all the way!

CCP are indeed racist and I have proof!



Ooops,my bad, got it wrong.

Great points brought up in this thread but as many have said I think it's the versatility that is the Minmatar's strength. That and all the ******* badass weapons, badass looking armor and the fact that we are clearly the better lovers (seeing as our population is the biggest).

CCP remant.. all CCP reps have a caldari face on their forum post character.... thats pretty cold love if you ask me.


true we have badass weapons. But 1.) they keep getting systematically nerfed (then partially buffed later to only marginally above UP but still extremely poor) and 2.) anyother race can use our weapons with no reprocusions. pretty much just as good as us....

can't deny the last sentence though. lol

give all minmitar suits a lot better shield regen and delay, and a 5% speed bonus and ill be happy

I see a reason why the Minmatar are having problems. As several have pointed out, the strength of the Minmatar lies in speed, which is not enough of an advantage given the low TTK we have right now, and high damage weapons, which any other race can use. These racial traits are taken from EVE, where speed matters a LOT. And in EVE, every ship intended for combat that I am aware of gets bonuses to a weapon type, most often to a racial weapon. So in EVE, the only ones who can make full use of the mighty Minmatar projectile weapons are the Minmatar. Anyone else using them gives up the bonus to racial weapons on their own ships.

The solution to this is simple. Give most of the suits a bonus to racial weapons (we also need a full suite of racial weapons for everyone of course), and nerf these weapons a bit. Then, for example, only a Minmatar suit can get full intended damage out of the CR. Anyone else using it will get significantly less damage out of them. In EVE, most common multiplier for damage is 5% per level, but this could obviously be adjusted to whatever value is necessary. I like the 5% value. This would mean that at skill level three, which is easily reachable, a suit using its racial weapons would do 15% more damage than a user of another race using the same weapons. That is enough to encourage most players to stick with their own race's weapons.

I am not advocating a net boost to weapon damage, note. Just that only a racial suit can get the maximum balanced amount of damage out of a given weapon. Basic suits should also get this modifier. Racial bonuses can also be used for things other than damage. Think things like range, ammo, accuracy, etc. For instance, maybe a Caldari suit is the only one that can really get the great hipfire accuracy that is the hallmark of the rail weapons. For everyone else they aren't as accurate. Just some examples of how racial bonuses could be used to keep racial weapons with their racial suits. You can still use anything you want that you can fit, but fitting against bonuses is usually not the right way to go.

Minmatar are mainly shield tankers. If anything they should have less buffer than the Caldari but faster recovery.

What cracks me up is they give us a suit with 5 highs, but not enough resources to fit it properly.

@KingCheckmate -

Have you ever ran a minmatar suit? All you do is complain that we about our fitting reqs...literally, you can run every single mod proto plus proto equip plus proto weap, plus proto side arm, plus proto nades.

If the CR is so OP, throw that **** on your shiny amarr suit. We won't stop you.

We get a proto weapon, pick 5 complex mods that's all you're going to fit, a basic sidearm, basic grenade and compact hive if you are lucky. All skills maxed.

Still care to ***** about fitting reqs?

I agree the Minmatar needs a 5% speed buff, honestly tho, they need to bring back the old armor plate speed penalties. If they aren't going to alter the slot layout of the min assault to 4high 3low, then the speed increase needs to be enough that with 2 comx kin cats we are the fastest med frame.

+1 to Ventis Gant even though I think that damage disparity would be too much. I agree on your thoughts on bonus design overall however.

I think Minmatar should get shield regen or shortest delay - we shouldnt get both. We are getting 2nd in alot of stats to go with being 1st in speed - The issue is that the difference doesnt look like enough to have us on par with the others.

I would like shield delay, stamina regen, speed and basic +1 rep
- Speed needs to be enough to get you out of harms way to recover then strike again

I see a reason why the Minmatar are having problems. As several have pointed out, the strength of the Minmatar lies in speed, which is not enough of an advantage given the low TTK we have right now, and high damage weapons, which any other race can use. These racial traits are taken from EVE, where speed matters a LOT. And in EVE, every ship intended for combat that I am aware of gets bonuses to a weapon type, most often to a racial weapon. So in EVE, the only ones who can make full use of the mighty Minmatar projectile weapons are the Minmatar. Anyone else using them gives up the bonus to racial weapons on their own ships.

The solution to this is simple. Give most of the suits a bonus to racial weapons (we also need a full suite of racial weapons for everyone of course), and nerf these weapons a bit. Then, for example, only a Minmatar suit can get full intended damage out of the CR. Anyone else using it will get significantly less damage out of them. In EVE, most common multiplier for damage is 5% per level, but this could obviously be adjusted to whatever value is necessary. I like the 5% value. This would mean that at skill level three, which is easily reachable, a suit using its racial weapons would do 15% more damage than a user of another race using the same weapons. That is enough to encourage most players to stick with their own race's weapons.

I am not advocating a net boost to weapon damage, note. Just that only a racial suit can get the maximum balanced amount of damage out of a given weapon. Basic suits should also get this modifier. Racial bonuses can also be used for things other than damage. Think things like range, ammo, accuracy, etc. For instance, maybe a Caldari suit is the only one that can really get the great hipfire accuracy that is the hallmark of the rail weapons. For everyone else they aren't as accurate. Just some examples of how racial bonuses could be used to keep racial weapons with their racial suits. You can still use anything you want that you can fit, but fitting against bonuses is usually not the right way to go.

I say faster shield regen and shortest delay with basic +1armor rep. this is balanced. why?

minmatar have the LOWEST EHP, so we should have the HIGHEST recovery.