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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:40:00 -
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CCP Remnant is Minmatar, get him in here asap.
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Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
992
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:44:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:CCP Remnant is Minmatar, get him in here asap.
WE need someone to recognize out plight. We need more-speed (3-5%), better strafing (lower penalty to make strafing 95% walk speed), and better shield regen (15% better than caldari)
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
412
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:29:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:CCP Remnant is Minmatar, get him in here asap. WE need someone to recognize out plight. We need more-speed (3-5%), better strafing (lower penalty to make strafing 95% walk speed), and better shield regen (15% better than caldari)
Well Remnant is a senior game designer and fellow member of the Matari master race, we need HIM!
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1758
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:49:00 -
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CCP Remnant help us
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1772
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Posted - 2014.03.02 17:48:00 -
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remnant awaken from your slumber to grant power to thy people!
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1853
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:00:00 -
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The mini logi's bonus is designed to make up for the nerf, so If you want to be hugging heavies your going to want to be a minnie Logi, while the other suits can do the same, only a lot worse
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
910
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Posted - 2014.03.02 18:03:00 -
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I agree that the Minmatar may well need some extra tweaking in their favour. However No race should have a better shield recharge than the Caldari. That does not fit with EVE at all.
Caldari are the masters of shield, masters in every area.
The Minmatar are next best with shields. (But can have the versatility to use armour just as effectively)
The Amarr are the masters of Armour - They are the HP / Resist tankers.
The Gallente are next best in that regard. - They can still have great HP pools but generally give better bonuses to active armour repair.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1775
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Posted - 2014.03.03 21:49:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:I agree that the Minmatar may well need some extra tweaking in their favour. However No race should have a better shield recharge than the Caldari. That does not fit with EVE at all.
Caldari are the masters of shield, masters in every area.
The Minmatar are next best with shields. (But can have the versatility to use armour just as effectively)
The Amarr are the masters of Armour - They are the HP / Resist tankers.
The Gallente are next best in that regard. - They can still have great HP pools but generally give better bonuses to active armour repair.
Amar are the best armor tankers, galente are the best armor repairers.
Caldari are the best shield tankers, minmatar are the best shield repairers.
edit: supposed to be the best shield repairers
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1776
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:44:00 -
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bump
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
483
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Posted - 2014.03.07 16:12:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:If the MinAssault is meant to be a hit and run flanker/single-engagement suit its bonuses/inherent abilities should apply to some or all of:
Speed, biotics, damping, recharge/repair rate, alpha damage/dps.
The suit as it stands is not and will never be a frontline assault suit - if it's not that, what is it?
May as well not even be called an Assault suit, just a buffed up Minmatar Scout.
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Vanguard of the Phoenix
426
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Posted - 2014.03.07 16:45:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:I agree that the Minmatar may well need some extra tweaking in their favour. However No race should have a better shield recharge than the Caldari. That does not fit with EVE at all.
Caldari are the masters of shield, masters in every area.
The Minmatar are next best with shields. (But can have the versatility to use armour just as effectively)
The Amarr are the masters of Armour - They are the HP / Resist tankers.
The Gallente are next best in that regard. - They can still have great HP pools but generally give better bonuses to active armour repair. Amar are the best armor tankers, galente are the best armor repairers. Caldari are the best shield tankers, minmatar are the best shield repairers. edit: supposed to be the best shield repairers
Uhhh... not exactly
Amarr - best amount of armor/resistance
Gallente - best reps
Caldari - best amount of shield/passive shield tanking
Minmatar - best shield resistance/boosting |
da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
495
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:09:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:D legendary hero wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:I agree that the Minmatar may well need some extra tweaking in their favour. However No race should have a better shield recharge than the Caldari. That does not fit with EVE at all.
Caldari are the masters of shield, masters in every area.
The Minmatar are next best with shields. (But can have the versatility to use armour just as effectively)
The Amarr are the masters of Armour - They are the HP / Resist tankers.
The Gallente are next best in that regard. - They can still have great HP pools but generally give better bonuses to active armour repair. Amar are the best armor tankers, galente are the best armor repairers. Caldari are the best shield tankers, minmatar are the best shield repairers. edit: supposed to be the best shield repairers Uhhh... not exactly Amarr - best amount of armor/resistance Gallente - best reps Caldari - best amount of shield/passive shield tanking Minmatar - best shield resistance/boosting
Shield Resistance?
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1145
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:25:00 -
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I would like to note that all minmatar suits give up ~15% of EHP with full fit for ~7% more speed.
first, more speed is nice but the difference is too low especially because speed tanking does not work well in an FPS. second if you take a gallente suit with a single kincat you are suddenly as mobile as a minmatar suit BUT you still have more EHP.
I dont understand why someone cant see that this is not a fair tradeoff. |
da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
495
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:34:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:I would like to note that all minmatar suits give up ~15% of EHP with full fit for ~7% more speed.
first, more speed is nice but the difference is too low especially because speed tanking does not work well in an FPS. second if you take a gallente suit with a single kincat you are suddenly as mobile as a minmatar suit BUT you still have more EHP.
I dont understand why someone cant see that this is not a fair tradeoff. you either need to bring the EHP numbers in line or increase the speed advantage.
Exactly, or another high slot or low slot module.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1801
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Posted - 2014.03.09 06:50:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:D legendary hero wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:I agree that the Minmatar may well need some extra tweaking in their favour. However No race should have a better shield recharge than the Caldari. That does not fit with EVE at all.
Caldari are the masters of shield, masters in every area.
The Minmatar are next best with shields. (But can have the versatility to use armour just as effectively)
The Amarr are the masters of Armour - They are the HP / Resist tankers.
The Gallente are next best in that regard. - They can still have great HP pools but generally give better bonuses to active armour repair. Amar are the best armor tankers, galente are the best armor repairers. Caldari are the best shield tankers, minmatar are the best shield repairers. edit: supposed to be the best shield repairers Uhhh... not exactly Amarr - best amount of armor/resistance Gallente - best reps Caldari - best amount of shield/passive shield tanking Minmatar - best shield resistance/boosting
shield resistance and boosting don't apply to dust. So, unless minmatar get -15-20% innate resistance to all damage to shields. its not gonna cut it.
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Brian LaFleur
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:05:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:It's only one hp/s. Besides, the Minmatar are more shields than armor. You guys have strong weapons and weak suits. Glass cannons.
It fits better with the lore on the Gallente.
And I quote: Stronger weapons and higher damage
this is migitaged by 2 FACTs which everyone here is well aware of:
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Anyone can use any light weapon of the other races to the same ability the other races can. This can be done without reprocusion. (except for amarr. The Scr rifle is the only light weapon that only Amarr can use to its fullest ability)
This means anyone can use a minmatar weapon as good as a minmatar. Everyone sees Caldari assaults running around with SMGs and CRs. So, a stronger suit with more EHP using a stronger weapon = better result.
Anyone can use damage mods and as commenters below noted, after the 2 complex damage mod TTK is pretty much the same.
So the glass cannon theory of minmatar combat is shattered by these facts.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1231
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:43:00 -
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the way to instantly balance minmatar is to simply make them the best regen suits.
caldari is the best shield buffer, minmatar is teh best regen, why on earth they thought it was a good idea to give caldari both is beyond me |
Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.03.10 06:45:00 -
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it need 10 % bonus to damage mod per level
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.03.10 07:04:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:D legendary hero wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:I agree that the Minmatar may well need some extra tweaking in their favour. However No race should have a better shield recharge than the Caldari. That does not fit with EVE at all.
Caldari are the masters of shield, masters in every area.
The Minmatar are next best with shields. (But can have the versatility to use armour just as effectively)
The Amarr are the masters of Armour - They are the HP / Resist tankers.
The Gallente are next best in that regard. - They can still have great HP pools but generally give better bonuses to active armour repair. Amar are the best armor tankers, galente are the best armor repairers. Caldari are the best shield tankers, minmatar are the best shield repairers. edit: supposed to be the best shield repairers Uhhh... not exactly Amarr - best amount of armor/resistance Gallente - best reps Caldari - best amount of shield/passive shield tanking Minmatar - MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This dance of invulnerability to all type of damage and last up for the end of the match
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1806
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Posted - 2014.03.10 15:03:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:the way to instantly balance minmatar is to simply make them the best regen suits.
caldari is the best shield buffer, minmatar is teh best regen, why on earth they thought it was a good idea to give caldari both is beyond me
^^this. 
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:04:00 -
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fix minmatar suits
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.04.01 16:49:00 -
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i called it. even the minma sentinel and minmando are just not as good as those of the other races. this bigotry is appauling
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.01 16:54:00 -
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Loving the stamina regen. The lowest rate is 40 on heavy frames. Only the amarr scout can match it, no non-Matari suit can beat it...and that's the heavy frame. I like all the bonuses too. I'll make em work till they get loved.
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
366
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Posted - 2014.04.01 17:23:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:i called it. even the minma sentinel and minmando are just not as good as those of the other races. this bigotry is appauling
I wouldn't say they are not as good ...... I will say they play very different compared to the others. I'm able to things with my MinSen I wasn't able to with my Amarr Basic Heavy... course the trade off is there are things I can no longer do ... But the net gain is positive .
I definitely like the Minnie com more than Gal Com on my alt .
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Timbo101
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
143
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Posted - 2014.04.01 17:57:00 -
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I love my Minmatar Assault suit.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/911
It has got a ton of HP, still has decent speed, the stamina recovers quickly as does the shield. The combat rifle hits hard and with the bonus I have 85 bullets in one mag. In our last PC I was able to take on heavies toe to toe while they had logis repping it, as well as use speed to get into flanking positions.
I'm in love
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negative49er
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
561
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Posted - 2014.04.01 18:02:00 -
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I make it work
But to be serious the Minnie suit is a suit that has no noticeable advantages passively with the other suit (beside the stamina with don't really help it much). People keep saying the minmatar suit is suppose to be a vestile suit but with uneven slots, low HP, and low pg and cpu, so one or two of your low slot are going to CPU or pg enhancers.
So it not the best suit to be competitive, but it still my best suit.
Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
306
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Posted - 2014.04.01 18:04:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Loving the stamina regen. The lowest rate is 40 on heavy frames. Only the amarr scout can match it, no non-Matari suit can beat it...and that's the heavy frame. I like all the bonuses too. I'll make em work till they get loved.
Its a good start but the suits need more PG (scout at least) or just more base speed. The only good thing is the CPU for using energizers and rechargers but we dont have the speed and or dampening to make a true hide and seek hit and run style work.
Being robbed in PG and having lesser low slots give Gallente and Amarr the ability to outperform the Minmatar in their expertise.
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
162
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Posted - 2014.04.01 18:25:00 -
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Agreed--the Minnie assault suit is back-asswords. Considering Minmatar are speed/shield (esp. reps)>armor tankers, while Caldari are pretty much just shield tankers, the assault suits need to swap slot layouts (ie Cal needs to be 5/2, Min needs to be 4/3). This allows Minmatar assaults to fit a shield regulator, a kincat, and a repper, or a couple regulators and a plate, etc., which is more in line with EVE and lore (as I understand it). Also, Caldari ships usually aren't the fastest but have reasonable base armor/hull HP, so mitigating their assault dropsuit's ability to stack more speed mods than the Minnie suit is also sensible.
Also, has anyone else ever wondered why weapon upgrade modules occupy low slots in EVE, but high slots in Dust?
My other dropsuit is a Python.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
829
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Posted - 2014.04.01 19:12:00 -
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Rather than fiddling with slots too much, this problem might be best addressed by helping each race in a slightly different way. This avoids claims of favouritism and racism.
Give each suit a small fitting bonus (CPU/PG) when players run equipment and weapons of the suit's faction.
For example Minmatar suits get a bonus when fitting Minmatar equipment and weapons.
Having said this, all the Minmatar suits should be faster than they are now.
Munch
Minmatar Patriot (Level 7)
Dedicated Sniper
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
635
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Posted - 2014.04.01 19:39:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Rather than fiddling with slots too much, this problem might be best addressed by helping each race in a slightly different way. This avoids claims of favouritism and racism.
Give each suit a small fitting bonus (CPU/PG) when players run equipment and weapons of the suit's faction.
For example Minmatar suits get a bonus when fitting Minmatar equipment and weapons.
Having said this, all the Minmatar suits should be faster than they are now.
Munch
hmmm maybe exactly this or something like this
Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
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