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The base armor repping for minmatar really added to their play style especially since they have lower ehp than the other races. The fact that they are only marginally faster than galente and caldari doesn't help. So taking this away really just makes them bad tbh.

Caldari more shields
gallente more armor
amar more stamina
minmatar less ehp and 1 more meter per second run speed? really?


just remember minmatar tech is at its best inside the ranges of amar and caldari, and only slightly outside the ranges gallente weaponry.

so basically minmatar aren't worth running unless you get full proto, in wich case you might as well just use gallente or caldari. 3 out of the 5 minmatar weapons are pretty much uncompetetive, so im begining to think CCP has it out for minmatar.


EDIT: this is a repost. meant to put this in general discusion

THE MINMATAR WERE SPEED TANKERS. (and then came aim assist)

Yeah Min Scouts need so much more than they already have don't they?

basically what do minmatar suits have that other suits can't easily make up for with still more EHP?

I see a reason why the Minmatar are having problems. As several have pointed out, the strength of the Minmatar lies in speed, which is not enough of an advantage given the low TTK we have right now, and high damage weapons, which any other race can use. These racial traits are taken from EVE, where speed matters a LOT. And in EVE, every ship intended for combat that I am aware of gets bonuses to a weapon type, most often to a racial weapon. So in EVE, the only ones who can make full use of the mighty Minmatar projectile weapons are the Minmatar. Anyone else using them gives up the bonus to racial weapons on their own ships.

The solution to this is simple. Give most of the suits a bonus to racial weapons (we also need a full suite of racial weapons for everyone of course), and nerf these weapons a bit. Then, for example, only a Minmatar suit can get full intended damage out of the CR. Anyone else using it will get significantly less damage out of them. In EVE, most common multiplier for damage is 5% per level, but this could obviously be adjusted to whatever value is necessary. I like the 5% value. This would mean that at skill level three, which is easily reachable, a suit using its racial weapons would do 15% more damage than a user of another race using the same weapons. That is enough to encourage most players to stick with their own race's weapons.

I am not advocating a net boost to weapon damage, note. Just that only a racial suit can get the maximum balanced amount of damage out of a given weapon. Basic suits should also get this modifier. Racial bonuses can also be used for things other than damage. Think things like range, ammo, accuracy, etc. For instance, maybe a Caldari suit is the only one that can really get the great hipfire accuracy that is the hallmark of the rail weapons. For everyone else they aren't as accurate. Just some examples of how racial bonuses could be used to keep racial weapons with their racial suits. You can still use anything you want that you can fit, but fitting against bonuses is usually not the right way to go.

^^this

Why do you get armour rep bonuses? You don't even armour tank? Technically since the Amarr have vastly superior armour technologies and have for near of 300 years we should get a 5 hps armour regen bonus.

minmatar logi:
The minmatar logi will become the most worthless suit in the game. its the logi with the lowest, ehp, only marginally higher speed (.3 extra m/s ..ohhhhhh) which is neutralized when you put on armor plates to have any actually ehp. now it gets a bonus to armor repair tools. Great! except the rep tool is being nerfed into the ground so, there is no point to it. at proficiency you get less range and rep rate than you have now. Most minmatar suits dnt have enough armor to be repaired anyway. galente heavies could use the rep, but they have innate reps anyway, and their are better suits that can use rep tools.
all and all the hack speed is gone, the rep tool is broke (gonna have half the range in 1.8), and minmatar logi is garbage, like all the other minmatar suits. So, this is reason enough for a respec itself.


minmatar scout:
The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? Besides being papaer thin, its got absolutely no advantage on the battlefield.


Minmatar assault:
the minmatar assault suit gets a bonus to minmatar weapons and ammo size, but the low ehp means you probably won't survive long enough to take advantage of that. hint: using minmatar weapons at range =/= kills. Basically anyother medium frame assualt suit is better. in fact you might as well run a gallente suit with minmatar weapons. you move at about the same rate.


Minmatar commando:
the minmatar commando may be useful. but again its a commando suit, with same ehp at proto as a standard caldari or galente frame. its really, slow, and will have a hugh hit box. it will do more damage, that could make a difference.... could if the suit itself wasn't so terrible.


the minmatar sentinel:
the minmatar heavy is literally a slower medium frame wth lower ehp potential than a galente and caldari standard frame, a larger hit box than said frames and slower speed. But it can carry an hmg!... moving at 4.08m/s its not even the fastest heavy. so, it is the second worst suit in the game. the first being the minma logi, third worst as scout then minma assault.



TL;DR


minmatar suit should have the folowing stats in this order.
minmatar scout = shield recharge delay 2 sec, shield recharge 45hp/s. innate armor rep 2hps

minmatar medium frame (assault and logi) = shield recharge delay 3 seconds, sheild recharge 40hp/s. innate armor rep. 2hp/s

minmatar heavy frame = shield recharge delay 3.5 seconds, shield recharge 40 hp/s. innate armor rep 2hp/s

Min scout best speed hacker for PC role established, shotgunner that's what lightning uses and he's very good, fastest move speed goes well with shotgun and NK, never doubt NK mr.mustard will kill you unless your constantly on a swivel.
Min heavy - bad a bit faster, crappy resistance, needs an extra low honestly and faster regen.
Personally I think the min assualt will be good but could use more shield regen
Min logi- best chubby chaser, makes rep tool viable, even slot layout it's meh but why is it armor based and again more regen.

Well, every scout is underpowered next to the gallente.

The minmatar scout is OP next to the amarr scout.

I think that puts the minmatar scout in a good spot, and the others should be adjusted to it.

He uses em its all I've ever seen him run

And you can't discount NK they may be highly skill based but they are a heavy's bane.

Hi there

MK.0 Assault User here( well I actually have all proto assault variants, but min is my fav <3). I would just like to chime in and give my constructive feedback .

Firstly, the shield recharge rate needs to be looked, on the min assault suit. 18 per second is an absolute joke, and should be noted that both the amarr and the gallente ( both amour tankers) have a better recharge rate.


Lastly, the 1/hp a second rep is useless based on PC experience

why is this thread getting no support?

CCP hates you because secretly they think the Minmatar are scrubs.

CCP Remnant is Minmatar, get him in here asap.