You haven't given me a reason why you believe that infantry should be solo gods? This is not the case.... in all forms of war the infantrys greatest strength has been discipline and team work....or numbers.

But in Dust infantry don't want to play this game? Why not? Why don't you want to work together to take down a Tank and shift the tide of battle?

If you play with teamwork,i could live with invencible tanks, but not invencible SOLO tankers.

For balance sake....

Has anyone really argued for "invincible" tanks? Really?

Has anyone really argued for "invincible" tanks? Really?

OP wants chromo tanks back. Enough said.

Yeah, and I want a unicorn. Get real.

Yeah, and I want a unicorn. Get real.

A better question is, why should I have to get a whole entire squad to use tactics and teamwork to bring down something that only takes one person to operate and perform well in?

Why should I be required to use teamwork against anyone or anything that doesn't require teamwork?

And no "because I paid more" is not a valid argument. If this was a legitimate argument then AUR swarms should OHKO everything and AUR HAVs should be invincible.

Not that a majority of tankers don't already want HAVs to be invincible.

GET REAL?
Javeline Missiles take down Tanks with a Single Warhead in real life.
Lets get real ; and if we have Javelins in BF3 why not dust?
I mean they ALREADY exist,im sure in a distant future they should ahve even stronger version to deal with those very improved tanks...right?

500mts, autolock 1HKO anti tank missile.
There, thats real.

GET REAL?
Javeline Missiles take down Tanks with a Single Warhead in real life.
Lets get real ; and if we have Javelins in BF3 why not dust?
I mean they ALREADY exist,im sure in a distant future they should ahve even stronger version to deal with those very improved tanks...right?

500mts, autolock 1HKO anti tank missile.
There, thats real.

Not complete invincibility, but many have said that HAVs should not be able to be destroyed by AV.

Forcing everyone who doesn't want to get stomped by an HAV to use an HAV.

That's game-breaking and a FoTM creator.

I have never suggested that tanks should not be killed by AV. Stop twisting people's words and we might get somewhere. I'm against any one schmo with AV (such as me) trivially taking down tanks while hiding behind a hill at long range, for example.

I'm also not against smaller amounts of damage being applied to tanks for any weapon that isn't simply a projectile. Basically, in my opinion, it should be frustratingly difficult to kill a tank as a single infantry attacker, without help from somebody or something.

GET REAL?
Javeline Missiles take down Tanks with a Single Warhead in real life.
Lets get real ; and if we have Javelins in BF3 why not dust?
I mean they ALREADY exist,im sure in a distant future they should ahve even stronger version to deal with those very improved tanks...right?

500mts, autolock 1HKO anti tank missile.
There, thats real.

double post*

If we want to get real then a shotgun would kill everything from 1-80m with no dispersion whatsoever.

Okey dokey give us real tank mechanics like armour deflection, heavier front and side armours, the speed to match even modern tanks OHKO high explosive shells, 50.cal alternate fire cannon, Vehicle counter measures, and ECM jamming and sure lets talk HAV realism then.

Ok. I just need a Javelin.
(BTW tanks in this game are insanly fast with afterburners)

Care to share your data samples, gathering methods, and math?

Or, we could just launch you and Altiim at tanks... you both appear to be anti-tank weapons.

You fair enough, you get your major OP weapon and we get ours

On about real life again? You might be a bit too worked up if you didn't notice I was suggesting that nobody is going to get an invincible tank.

Nobody gives a **** about real life here... its a game, it's supposed to be fun and at times rewarding (perhaps when people work together to accomplish something greater than a singular effort).

I guess it's going to come down to this. Will this just be a single player FPS... or will it have anything more. If it isn't going to offer more I don't see the point.

It's not fun when a tank can't be taken down by six guys with milita swarms or forge guns. If you want to argue that "of course it's milita" is bullshit, why even give players AV if it only works on militia tanks. When 2 guys bring out proto AV to destroy the tank then "Choo choo all aboard the QQ train, AV is OP". I like tanks but they shouldn't be expensive win buttons. It seems like every match I'm in tanks are unstopable or a joke, entirely based on the tankers skills. I've been stomped by a Red Star tank squad in pubs and I had fun, you guys have skill, but it taught me that tanker QQ seems to be based on a misconception that your high ISK and SP investment should make you invincible to all but the strongest of AV by multiple people. It sound just like the "standard AR took down my logi suit so it must be OP" argument which is also BS for a "fun" game. If the only way people should have fun is by being completely specced out into something and being immune to new players than how the hell are new players going to want to stick around long enough to go proto themselves. ?

Those of use from earlier build started on a relatively level playing field so we can't imagine what it's like for a new player fresh out of the academy. Give him no chance to even think he can stand up the older vets and you can expect them to hate the experience. I don't give noobs a free ride, but I have enough skill without my gear that I don't have to spend an assload of ISK to win a match or kill a player.

Like in EVE don't fly something you can't afford to lose, if your corp won't back you financially don't QQ you got killed using a WMD in a pub.

It's not fun when a tank can't be taken down by six guys with milita swarms or forge guns.

Yeah, I agree. So maybe we can resolve down to one player with a lot of time (tank doesn't hide or get out of range) or more than one player with reducing amounts of time.

It's okay if sometimes you get stomped... **** happens. It's also okay if once in a while one players can do the impossible. I would rather not just have a cookie cutter you pulled the trigger so you win. I don't think that's a good direction -- though maybe that's where we are going to go.

I just want a tank that does what a tank should do and is not taken down every 5 mins by a newberry with a CZR and the ability to strafe through my bullets.

Every 7 mins because one or two skilled Avers catch me napping would be acceptable.