your the one complaining about needing a few extra helping hands to take down something over 4x bigger than you.

ok il give you that, for once someone here does actual research, unlike 99.9999999% of this playerbase.

Eh, I was going to say the same, but I would have provided a link regarding tanks being put out of action. And I really didn't want to do that because it would taken some real digging.

No, I said you can throw me at an HAV if I can strap 6 Boundless REs and 3 Lai Dai PADs.

Then Spkr said that 9 PRO AV weapons being able to destroy a tank by hitting it at the exact same time is OP. Then you jumped in and complained about me being able to fit that on a suit.

edit: And why should I be able to hop into something and force 3-6 people to take me out as a single person?

So your saying that I should be able to hop into a tank as 1 person and require 3-6 people to destroy me?

I fail to see the balance in having to use 3-6 people to destroy 1 person.

And before you say, "well that's how it is in real life", think about it. Should everything perform like it would IRL?

Unless something has changed we are not loosing our infinite ammo?
Seems like people are forgetting the thrill of a good fight. Do av not like chasing a fleeing tank and blowing it up? Numbers are changing but the outcome will remain the same tanks will give your standard infantry hell av will send them running. Tank vs tank will be who has the bigger gun. Everyone wants change but freaks out when its here. Why? You want to one shot one kill everything? If we are to be harder to kill then maybe ccp should give more wp for taking hav down I dunno. I know one thing though this game has a long way to go this is just another build they are trying.

Factor in all equations

Cost per equipment vs AV
Movement speed of turret rotation vs infrantry strafing ability
The obviously larger target size of tank vs infantry
Tanks will no longer be able to turn on a heat sink and hold the trigger down due to finite ammo.
Skill the biggest of them all if your skilled at what you do it shouldn't take 3 to 6 people to drop a tank it could be 1 or 2 depending on your location and team work.

You can not expect to run straight up to a tank 1v1 and win. You should have to use tactics, team work and your surroundings.
Last I checked a tank cant climb or destroy towers?
But thats ok right? Av can sit on towers with nanohives where we cant get to you along with forge.
You have av grenades that do as much damage as a proto rail gun you can throw rapidly. Try shooting a railgun rapidly and hitting a moving target. You may get a hit but more likely overheat and be defenseless temporarily

You say it should be 1v1 right guess what there is somebody in that tank paying for a dropsuit and weapons just like you and they are paying and extra high price for more armor and a bigger gun. Thats all a tank is after all...a big weapon.

All we see on the patch notes are numbers. We'll see how everything plays out on the battlefield. Playing this game is a choice no one is forced there plenty of there if things here don't work for you.

If I could blow building up, take down towers with concentrated fire, and roll through small objects like low walls and rails Tanks would be soooooo much better.

Vehicles as a whole require less situational awereness, this has been the case in any game that has them.

Most of the vehicle Players, gravitate to things with more EHP so they can survive encounters, but there are ofcourse people who just enjoy a vehicle. I am Awesome at racing games or driving a vehicle as a getaway car in APB R.

But ive never been into tanks, i have more in common with Rambo then i do with some tank commander in the background.

Ever play BF bad company 2? You could do all that. and they often killed whole squads. But those tanks could be taken down by two dudes with a chip on their shoulder. How it should be.

Chromo tanks could get 60-0 pub after pub after pub.

Yeah, totally balanced

BTW, if it takes more than one person to destroy a tank, what do you think happens when there are 7 tanks on the field?

I don't understand why so many on here dislike tanks to the point of calling them a cancer on the game, along with doing and saying everything they possibly can to make vehicles near entirely useless, save for a very brave few actually saying they want vehicles removed from the game.

Is it because you don't understand the dynamics?

Is it because it's more difficult than using an AR?

Is it because it requires more SP to make it viable?

Is it because it's so expensive to run a vehicle that can survive?

I honestly cannot understand such a mind, that hates something they cannot understand, or that believes they should be paper tigers, all bark and no bite.

Then we have the crowds shouting "TANK 514!" from the rooftops, as if CCP is going to increase the allowed number of vehicles per team to be more than 7.

Chromosome vehicle balance was fantastic, because if you didn't maintain complete situational awareness at all times, you were destroyed in 2-3 shots by a tanker with a railgun. I don't understand the problem infantry has with that. We had quick deaths at the hands of other intelligent tankers. Mostly, it was all location, location, location. Get a height advantage, and you owned the map as it pertains to other vehicles.

1.7 is on its way, and CCP decides to up the ante by making it take far more SP to have the flexibility we have now. Everybody says how the swarm nerf will be the end of the game, because tanks will roam like wild beasts. Well, guess what. If we want a chance to survive, I'm going to give you a little hint: we're not using shield extenders or armor plates. We're going for maximum repair, and maximum resistance. That means we can't increase our HP ceiling.

Shield tanks have incredibly low base shield. Armor tanks are getting a buff as far as base armor goes, because we're losing our active armor reps for passive armor reps.

CCP announces they're going to nerf AV when 1.7 comes, and the forums lose it. They just lose their minds. "How are we going to destroy tanks with these Nerf launchers!" they say. I'll say it's about damn time AV suffers its first nerf. Tanks have been nerfed for builds in a row, and not once in that time did AV suffer a nerf. "Oh, but they removed dumbfire!" infantry says. Well, guess what, when this game was in closed beta, swarms were actually the flavor of the month. Playing this reminded me a lot of Halo, jumping up while firing rockets at the enemy's feet, hoping they'll miss you.

That's the only nerf AV has suffered. Why? Because infantry wanted it to be easy to destroy tanks. So easy in fact, that they wanted to do it by themselves. And lo and behold, you can destroy tanks by yourself now, if you're good enough. It won't work against smart tankers with the right fit, but lesser tankers with lesser fits, it's all too easy. But those that get away, infantry says it's not fair, because they don't get a base reward for doing a certain amount of damage against a vehicle. Getting it down to half its HP without getting any points for it isn't good enough. I bet getting an assist for helping to destroy a vehicle isn't good enough for infantry. Well, when I'm infantry and try to destroy a tank, but they get away, I don't complain that it's not fair, I think to myself, "my positioning isn't good enough, and because of that I can't wear it down more with my AV grenades." I suck it up and pick a better position, or call in my own tank to destroy the enemy tank. I don't cry foul that I didn't destroy an enemy tank. I try again.

It still comes back to location, location, location. Infantry makes it seem like the only way to destroy a tank is to be right next to it, which is obviously ideal range for blasters and missiles. The better tankers can use a railgun against infantry and vehicles in a CQC situation. Hey guys, guess what: use range to your advantage. Use height to your advantage. I slap my head every single time a tanker has to point out to you the best ways to destroy us with the tools you're using. Why must we point out the obvious to you?

I made this spur of the moment. I didn't think I'd use so many characters. Basically, my point comes to this: infantry, stop complaining. When 1.7 comes, if it's anything that's OP, it's a tanker's superior mind. Management of modules, use of terrain and positioning are easy counters to AV. I actually had someone tell me on here that nitrous injectors aren't fair, because they allow us to escape danger too fast. If that's not a terrible, sorry example of a complaint, I don't know what is. For the first time, you're going to have to attack us as a group, because we're going to fit our tanks in such a way that you won't be able to solo anybody with a brain anymore.

When 1.7 drops, we're going to see who has a better mind.

When 1.7 drops, you will have run out of excuses for why tanks are OP, because CCP is rebuilding them from the ground up, the way they want them to be.

When 1.7 drops, you're going to have to consider elements aside from poor rendering; superior positioning, and the use of ambushing.

When 1.7 drops, there are no more excuses. You won't have any more crutches. Swarms won't own an entire map due to a locking range outside of rendering range for tankers.

When 1.7 drops, I declare open season on infantry. I call for another tank truce. If you see someone from here on the other team, and they're in a tank, shield them from your own team's AV so they have a chance to escape and rep their HP. We will show infantry the error of their ways by helping each other even when we're on the other team.

When 1.7 drops, a red tank is not the enemy. Red infantry is my only enemy, and I intend to make him pay for the months of being treated like garbage.

The other team calls some tanks in?

"When 1.7 drops, we're going to see who has a better mind. "

More like who has a 33k eHP tin can that only takes 10% damage from non AV weapons

I had a dream last night I had 22k armor with only 2 plates . But my maddy will only have 3 lows . So that kind of hp may not be possible

I didn't know remembering something was pathetic.

I had a dream last night I had 22k armor with only 2 plates . But my maddy will only have 3 lows . So that kind of hp may not be possible

YOUR PATHETIC KIRBY, YOU REMEMBERER, CAPS LOCKS AHHHH

Alright.

Who was the idiot that bumped this thread?

Alright.

Who was the idiot that bumped this thread?

Lionturtle did, but he sort of did us a favor. It displays many of the bad arguments some tankers displayed.

lol @ idiot

you do realise your the "Spkr4theDead" of the av guys right? aka idiot

The difference between me and Spkr4TheDead is the fact that my arguments are correct, and can be reproduced at will.

Along with that, my balance ideas don't shift things in favor of AV, nor do I have an un-fathomable hate for vehicles.

So no, I am not the "Spkr4TheDead" of AV.

I don't understand why so many on here dislike tanks to the point of calling them a cancer on the game, along with doing and saying everything they possibly can to make vehicles near entirely useless, save for a very brave few actually saying they want vehicles removed from the game.

Is it because you don't understand the dynamics?

Is it because it's more difficult than using an AR?

Is it because it requires more SP to make it viable?

Is it because it's so expensive to run a vehicle that can survive?

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Im very sure "Spkr4TheDead" thinks the exact same things in regards to his opinions, your both delusional