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Zatara Rought
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:54:00 -
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Oh God. so much badposting.
I don't know where to begin.
I don't think logi's being relegated to sidearms is the answer. increased ttk, adding a 2nd equip to assaults and scouts while slightly increasing only scouts cpu/pg by say....10% and slightly nerfing logi's base hp are all better options.
Personally in Competitive PC matches assault suits > logi's. I can't stretch this enough. Logi's are competitive with assaults...but per capita they win...increased ttk would be a passive nerf to logi's by making sidearms more relevant (currently with 2 damage mods on a prof 3 weapon you can pretty much down anyone without needing a sidearm)
Just some thoughts I didn't want 2 delve 2 deeply.
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
386
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:56:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:skippy678 wrote:just respec when you get the chance..but you wont. You just want a different class than yours too suffer...if it really is OP then respec into it and stop crying. lol you scrub. He was a logistics before your clone was even born. I've been with Logi bro when Zion TCD was good and Mr Zitro raged on the forums. We have been Logistics since the only Logistics suit was Minmatar. Know who you're speaking to vermin.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1120
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:58:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:skippy678 wrote:just respec when you get the chance..but you wont. You just want a different class than yours too suffer...if it really is OP then respec into it and stop crying. lol you scrub. He was a logistics before your clone was even born. I've been with Logi bro when Zion TCD was good and Mr Zitro raged on the forums. We have been Logistics since the only Logistics suit was Minmatar. Know who you're speaking to vermin. Exactly how far up your own asses are your heads? I would measure that for you, but it's way to far in.
Even Thale's don't have that kind of range.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1120
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:05:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You are an idiot.
How exactly do you think your friend is gonna guard you? By being your meatshield? I'll just gun you down and then work on your friend afterwards.
Everyone doesn't always need a repair or resupply 24/7. And I shouldn't be restricted to only being a medic. That would kill most of the fun out of the logistics class.
What happens when your partner is down but there is an enemy nearby? Are you gonna revive him and hope that you and him don't get gunned down in the process? You shouldn't even bother trying to kill that enemy because after all, Logis don't need weapons do they?
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
654
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:05:00 -
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RydogV wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" Everybody has a playstyle, yours seems to work well. Congrats. But I don't have some symbiotic relationship with just one player. Someone I just cling to the entire game. I that works then all the power to you. But I work to keep all my teammates alive. In Squad matches that means my entire fireteam. In Pub battles that is everyone...blue or green. It is a dangerous world out there. I'd rather not traverse it with just a Scrambler Pistol. Thanks anyway. "True Logi"
I completely understand and I can do exactly that. I just have a pet that's all
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
654
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You are an idiot. How exactly do you think your friend is gonna guard you? By being your meatshield? I'll just gun you down and then work on your friend afterwards. Everyone doesn't always need a repair or resupply 24/7. And I shouldn't be restricted to only being a medic. That would kill most of the fun out of the logistics class. What happens when your partner is down but there is an enemy nearby? Are you gonna revive him and hope that you and him don't get gunned down in the process? You shouldn't even bother trying to kill that enemy because after all, Logis don't need weapons do they?
LOL you sir don't know how to logi. You can't touch this when I doing tactics. people don't play smart. All they want to do is run and gun... Then when something different comes in the field they get steamrolled. I see this all the time. People going after me they don't go after the person I'm repping. But squad play get it done.
Playing slowly rewards the player . Since I didnt rush in, I didn't get surropunded. Since I didnt get surrounded My tam got the kills. Since MY team got the kills We won the match.
You insult me but I have got the logi down to a T. If you want to slay with your logi then Hats off for being a leach on the system
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2428
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:10:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON"
You aren't being nearly as effective as you can be if you are glued to your squadmate's backside 24/7. If he's not hurt you should be doing something else like shooting, hacking, deploying equipment, or scanning.
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1178
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:11:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Shadow Archeus wrote:I support restricting logos to a sidearm.......but here's an alternative rather lengthy but would add a little more diversity
Make a medium weapon class......this would include mass drivers.....sniper rifles......swarm launchers......scrambler rifles....and the new rifles
All suits can use medium weapons but logistics suits
Future suits could limit weapons in this manner
I.e. a scout suit that can't use medium weapons but in turn is faster and more durable....or a heavy that is the same(faster than a commando but with 1000hp but can only use light weapons
There's a lot that it could open up I proposed something similar awhile back. The difference being that I proposed a "Logi" Weapon slot which would fit between Light and Sidearm. The "Logi Weapon" class would include Laser Rifle, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Sniper Rifle and Swarm Launcher. It was shouted down by the Assport Logis.
I believe the reason it was shouted down is because it sounds asstarded. Why would you give the situational weapons, the ones that need a SIDEARM, to the only suit WITH NO SIDEARM. What do you do when someone gets right up on you with a Sniper Rifle? What do you do when you have a Shotgun and someone shoots at you at 30 meters out? What do you shoot at someone when they aren't in your Laser Rifle's five meters of effectiveness?
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
654
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:11:00 -
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Skihids wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You aren't being nearly as effective as you can be if you are glued to your squadmate's backside 24/7. If he's not hurt you should be doing something else like shooting, hacking, deploying equipment, or scanning. You may enjoy your limmited play style, but it would bore me to death.
You don't know what you are talking about. I hack, put equipment down but I am not trying to be a 1 man army like most of these wannabee logi's.
They playstyle is not as limited as just pointing and shooting. I play enough to know that half the things people say in these forums are bull and am completely tired of it.
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1179
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:19:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Atiim wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You are an idiot. How exactly do you think your friend is gonna guard you? By being your meatshield? I'll just gun you down and then work on your friend afterwards. Everyone doesn't always need a repair or resupply 24/7. And I shouldn't be restricted to only being a medic. That would kill most of the fun out of the logistics class. What happens when your partner is down but there is an enemy nearby? Are you gonna revive him and hope that you and him don't get gunned down in the process? You shouldn't even bother trying to kill that enemy because after all, Logis don't need weapons do they? LOL you sir don't know how to logi. You can't touch this when I doing tactics. people don't play smart. All they want to do is run and gun... Then when something different comes in the field they get steamrolled. I see this all the time. People going after me they don't go after the person I'm repping. But squad play get it done. Playing slowly rewards the player . Since I didnt rush in, I didn't get surropunded. Since I didnt get surrounded My tam got the kills. Since MY team got the kills We won the match. You insult me but I have got the logi down to a T. If you want to slay with your logi then Hats off for being a leach on the system
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this isn't TF2. I'm a pro-level Medic in TF2, and what you're doing fits that to a T, but in here you're a damned moron. If he's at full HP and you still have your rep tool on him you are wasting everyone's time, mostly your own. You are far more effective in a fight aiming your gun than healing a target under fire. A Core Repair tool does 180-odd HP a second. An unskilled militia AR does 425 damage a second, 383 to the armor layer you are attempting to heal. There is QUITE the discrepancy, and you REALLY aren't helping much. You would be alot more effective if you countered the 425 with your own 425.
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2429
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:32:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Skihids wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You aren't being nearly as effective as you can be if you are glued to your squadmate's backside 24/7. If he's not hurt you should be doing something else like shooting, hacking, deploying equipment, or scanning. You may enjoy your limmited play style, but it would bore me to death. You don't know what you are talking about. I hack, put equipment down but I am not trying to be a 1 man army like most of these wannabee logi's. They playstyle is not as limited as just pointing and shooting. I play enough to know that half the things people say in these forums are bull and am completely tired of it.
Ummm,
Quote:I have my rep tool on him 24/7
I'm pretty sure that I read this correctly.
As an effective Logi you should at minimum be laying down cover fire to help your assault partner rather than hiding in the back letting him take all the heat. A couple MD rounds can make all the difference in a gunfight. You can't keep him alive with a rep tool if two ARs are aimed at him, and that's what will happen if I and my assault partner run into you.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
654
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:33:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Atiim wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You are an idiot. How exactly do you think your friend is gonna guard you? By being your meatshield? I'll just gun you down and then work on your friend afterwards. Everyone doesn't always need a repair or resupply 24/7. And I shouldn't be restricted to only being a medic. That would kill most of the fun out of the logistics class. What happens when your partner is down but there is an enemy nearby? Are you gonna revive him and hope that you and him don't get gunned down in the process? You shouldn't even bother trying to kill that enemy because after all, Logis don't need weapons do they? LOL you sir don't know how to logi. You can't touch this when I doing tactics. people don't play smart. All they want to do is run and gun... Then when something different comes in the field they get steamrolled. I see this all the time. People going after me they don't go after the person I'm repping. But squad play get it done. Playing slowly rewards the player . Since I didnt rush in, I didn't get surropunded. Since I didnt get surrounded My tam got the kills. Since MY team got the kills We won the match. You insult me but I have got the logi down to a T. If you want to slay with your logi then Hats off for being a leach on the system Not to put too fine a point on it, but this isn't TF2. I'm a pro-level Medic in TF2, and what you're doing fits that to a T, but in here you're a damned moron. If he's at full HP and you still have your rep tool on him you are wasting everyone's time, mostly your own. You are far more effective in a fight aiming your gun than healing a target under fire. A Core Repair tool does 180-odd HP a second. An unskilled militia AR does 425 damage a second, 383 to the armor layer you are attempting to heal. There is QUITE the discrepancy, and you REALLY aren't helping much. You would be alot more effective if you countered the 425 with your own 425.
who ever said I dont do anything else but rep if he is full... Last I heard I had 4 equipment slots to do whatever the hell I want. Deducing That I'm just repping is basically ignorant.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
654
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:35:00 -
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Skihids wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Skihids wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You aren't being nearly as effective as you can be if you are glued to your squadmate's backside 24/7. If he's not hurt you should be doing something else like shooting, hacking, deploying equipment, or scanning. You may enjoy your limmited play style, but it would bore me to death. You don't know what you are talking about. I hack, put equipment down but I am not trying to be a 1 man army like most of these wannabee logi's. They playstyle is not as limited as just pointing and shooting. I play enough to know that half the things people say in these forums are bull and am completely tired of it. Ummm, Quote:I have my rep tool on him 24/7 I'm pretty sure that I read this correctly. As an effective Logi you should at minimum be laying down cover fire to help your assault partner rather than hiding in the back letting him take all the heat. A couple MD rounds can make all the difference in a gunfight. You can't keep him alive with a rep tool if two ARs are aimed at him, and that's what will happen if I and my assault partner run into you.
Taking things litterally is wrong. Use the experience you have in the game. Deduce that there are other things to be done. 24/7 thats a reference to every day of the week?? I wonder how litterally you took it
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
921
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:38:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Taking things litterally is wrong. Use the experience you have in the game. Deduce that there are other things to be done. 24/7 thats a reference to every day of the week?? I wonder how litterally you took it
"24/7" refers to every hour of every day. It means "all the time." Is there another way to take it?
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2429
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:39:00 -
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You state:
Quote:I have my rep tool on him 24/7
Then you protest:
Quote:That I'm just repping is basically ignorant.
So you were blowing smoke up our asses with your first post? |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2429
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:46:00 -
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Quote:Quote:Ummm, Quote:I have my rep tool on him 24/7 I'm pretty sure that I read this correctly. As an effective Logi you should at minimum be laying down cover fire to help your assault partner rather than hiding in the back letting him take all the heat. A couple MD rounds can make all the difference in a gunfight. You can't keep him alive with a rep tool if two ARs are aimed at him, and that's what will happen if I and my assault partner run into you. Taking things litterally is wrong. Use the experience you have in the game. Deduce that there are other things to be done. 24/7 thats a reference to every day of the week?? I wonder how litterally you took it
Yes, there ARE other things to be done, like shooting the bad guy!
But you seem to assume that some of these "other things" are legitimate and others are not with no list and no explanation as to why one is legit and another not.
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division Top Men.
234
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:49:00 -
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As an adv logi and proto assault, both minmatar, i believe that having the 'logistics' class wirld a sidearm would be a somewhat useful change- somewhat- however i believe we should give scouts 2 equips at adv, and an extra module. However for the people who REALLY wanna do half slay half logi, we should give basic frames a 2nd equipment to begin with, and maybe a 3rd at proto.
Tl:dr remove logi light weapon, replace with sidearm, hand em an extra equipment. Make a basic xk.1 that wields light weapon and 2-3 equipments.
Generalist 'logi' and the dedicated 'logi', AKA EvE style. Not even gonna push it, just throwing it out there.
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
504
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:49:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON"
Then "True" Logis are bad. Good Logis know to kill the enemy before you rez/revive, and killing the enemy takes priority since you're not helping anyone dead or with an enemy shooting at you when you're rezzing. Why? Because DPS speed > Rez speed. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
2236
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:51:00 -
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Shouldn't happen.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1179
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:53:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Atiim wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You are an idiot. How exactly do you think your friend is gonna guard you? By being your meatshield? I'll just gun you down and then work on your friend afterwards. Everyone doesn't always need a repair or resupply 24/7. And I shouldn't be restricted to only being a medic. That would kill most of the fun out of the logistics class. What happens when your partner is down but there is an enemy nearby? Are you gonna revive him and hope that you and him don't get gunned down in the process? You shouldn't even bother trying to kill that enemy because after all, Logis don't need weapons do they? LOL you sir don't know how to logi. You can't touch this when I doing tactics. people don't play smart. All they want to do is run and gun... Then when something different comes in the field they get steamrolled. I see this all the time. People going after me they don't go after the person I'm repping. But squad play get it done. Playing slowly rewards the player . Since I didnt rush in, I didn't get surropunded. Since I didnt get surrounded My tam got the kills. Since MY team got the kills We won the match. You insult me but I have got the logi down to a T. If you want to slay with your logi then Hats off for being a leach on the system Not to put too fine a point on it, but this isn't TF2. I'm a pro-level Medic in TF2, and what you're doing fits that to a T, but in here you're a damned moron. If he's at full HP and you still have your rep tool on him you are wasting everyone's time, mostly your own. You are far more effective in a fight aiming your gun than healing a target under fire. A Core Repair tool does 180-odd HP a second. An unskilled militia AR does 425 damage a second, 383 to the armor layer you are attempting to heal. There is QUITE the discrepancy, and you REALLY aren't helping much. You would be alot more effective if you countered the 425 with your own 425. who ever said I dont do anything else but rep if he is full... Last I heard I had 4 equipment slots to do whatever the hell I want. Deducing That I'm just repping is basically ignorant. Just so you know Guardian 35 points scan bonus 15 points total 50 points without defend order. You decide whether I'm the one doing it wrong ^^
If you are, in fact, 'healing 24/7', you are 'doing it wrong'. Healing in combat is also 'doing it wrong.' If you're both behind cover and you are trying to heal him before the enemy rounds the corner that's one thing, but in combat, as demonstrated above, you are a waste of life healing instead of shooting. Furthermore, I am not ignorant for trusting what you said to be true. Is it my fault you lied to us about how you play the game? We were going off faulty information from an unreliable narrator if that was the case. In any case, I have mathematically proven that the most unskilled newberry can lay down more damage than the most skilled logistics player can heal, and by a minimum factor of THREE. Your turn.
Also, FOUR equip slots? Nice protosuit Mr. Serious.
As a special note, just because it gives more WP doesn't mean it's right. People used to get more WP ramming a car into a wall than actually fighting. Plus, in a 2v2 situation, battlehealing logis will lose every time :3
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:53:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" Then "True" Logis are bad. Good Logis know to kill the enemy before you rez/revive, and killing the enemy takes priority since you're not helping anyone dead or with an enemy shooting at you when you're rezzing. Why? Because DPS speed > Rez speed. See, this is kind of the issue with the whole sidearm argument. Would you rather have a guy that can fight along side you and run support, or a guy that can't really do anything unless you take damage, run out of ammo or go down? Dust is still a FPS (even though it doesn't feel like one at times) and we're all slayers first and class roles second.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Rusty Shallows
510
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:56:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:skippy678 wrote:just respec when you get the chance..but you wont. You just want a different class than yours too suffer...if it really is OP then respec into it and stop crying. ....do you have the ability to read? Try again, and look at my name, and then tell me that I am talking about a different class. (Psst here's a hint, I AM a logi) Your name dosent make you a Logi.....the fact that you are trying to nerf your own suit means your an idiot or lying. end of my conversation here troll He's the original Logi Bro, fighting the good fight back when the only logistics suit was the minmatar and the caldari assault rocked all with its two equipment slots. The guy whose posts set a combat-support play-style mentality that spread throughout the community.
You are very correct Skippy678 his name does not automatically make Logi Bro a logi. His history however does.
"She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:00:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" Then "True" Logis are bad. Good Logis know to kill the enemy before you rez/revive, and killing the enemy takes priority since you're not helping anyone dead or with an enemy shooting at you when you're rezzing. Why? Because DPS speed > Rez speed. See, this is kind of the issue with the whole sidearm argument. Would you rather have a guy that can fight along side you and run support, or a guy that can't really do anything unless you take damage, run out of ammo or go down? Dust is still a FPS (even though it doesn't feel like one at times) and we're all slayers first and class roles second.
Hello cosgar. I actually have to disagree with you in this one. People think that just because you can only use a side arm you can't fight alongside. I think that train of thought is wrong.
A sidearm can give support fore and with the new repair tool stats there is literally nothing that can kill my pet.
Let's say I just use a BDR-8 triage repair tool. With the correct gameplay I will have kept my teammate alive and will have doubled our warpoint gain. I can tell you this, and you can ask anyone that squads with me on a regular basis. IT can be done.
Just as I made the plasma cannon on my signature usefull, being a pure logi build without enfassis on weaponry is actually a force multiplier not a a drop in dps.
While me and my mates are chipping away at their armor while mainting our ours intact we get through things that couldnt be done otherwise.
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Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:06:00 -
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Don't make major changes to the way a suit works without SP refunds of impacted skills. This game is such a frikkin' beta still despite arguments to the contrary.
Now, that being said, logi's can far too easily be used as all-around suits as is, so I see the merit in your idea. However, few, if any would still play logi's except organized corps who can convince (or simply have recruited people willing to do so) such logi suits.
All of my equipment slots are filled and I run around as a logi most times. However, remove the light weapon and I won't play them any longer, and I suspect this will be true of a sizable portion of the current logi club. Then consider what impact it would have on the balance of the game to have so many people stop playing logistics because their only point in life has become support and you can't even do that well on the large open maps because you can't even kind of toss out suppressing fire at would be assailants because sidearms have atrocious range. Yeah, fun.
Anyway, not as well argued as it could have been, but it is 1:00 in the morning and I need to be up in a few hours. Toodles. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:06:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Hello cosgar. I actually have to disagree with you in this one. People think that just because you can only use a side arm you can't fight alongside. I think that train of thought is wrong.
A sidearm can give support fore and with the new repair tool stats there is literally nothing that can kill my pet.
Let's say I just use a BDR-8 triage repair tool. With the correct gameplay I will have kept my teammate alive and will have doubled our warpoint gain. I can tell you this, and you can ask anyone that squads with me on a regular basis. IT can be done.
Just as I made the plasma cannon on my signature usefull, being a pure logi build without enfassis on weaponry is actually a force multiplier not a a drop in dps.
While me and my mates are chipping away at their armor while mainting our ours intact we get through things that couldnt be done otherwise. It all depends on the logi and their playstyle. You know I favor the mass driver in most cases, but I also use the GLU-5 on more wide open maps and a SMG/ScP in situations where it's more beneficial to run all proto equipment. Every situation is different and a wider variety of weapons is more beneficial than being restricted to a certain range or a certain playstyle.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:30:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: It all depends on the logi and their playstyle. You know I favor the mass driver in most cases, but I also use the GLU-5 on more wide open maps and a SMG/ScP in situations where it's more beneficial to run all proto equipment. Every situation is different and a wider variety of weapons is more beneficial than being restricted to a certain range or a certain playstyle.
I completely agree but we have our variety from what we can do on the field not by how we can kill. kiling variations belongs to assaults who can mostly only kill.
Currently I am dead tired of seeing logi's everywhere and no nanohives, reps, uplinks, etc. Having more slot layout, more CPU/PWGRD whilst having the same killing power than assault breaks the system.
Cosgar, you know I am a logi. I used to use the mass driver but switched to the plasma cannon on a logi. If that weapon doesn't prove that a logi can use a side arm then nothing will make a believer out of anyone.
As things stands the logi suit is in real danger of having something worse happen to it than get their weapons restricted to sidearms. I for one don't wan't that to happen.
I hear a lot of crazy talk being thrown around and I for one feel that being restricted to a side arm is much better than having my overall slot layout reduced or something like that.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:38:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Cosgar wrote: It all depends on the logi and their playstyle. You know I favor the mass driver in most cases, but I also use the GLU-5 on more wide open maps and a SMG/ScP in situations where it's more beneficial to run all proto equipment. Every situation is different and a wider variety of weapons is more beneficial than being restricted to a certain range or a certain playstyle.
I completely agree but we have our variety from what we can do on the field not by how we can kill. kiling variations belongs to assaults who can mostly only kill. Currently I am dead tired of seeing logi's everywhere and no nanohives, reps, uplinks, etc. Having more slot layout, more CPU/PWGRD whilst having the same killing power than assault breaks the system. Cosgar, you know I am a logi. I used to use the mass driver but switched to the plasma cannon on a logi. If that weapon doesn't prove that a logi can use a side arm then nothing will make a believer out of anyone. As things stands the logi suit is in real danger of having something worse happen to it than get their weapons restricted to sidearms. I for one don't wan't that to happen. I hear a lot of crazy talk being thrown around and I for one feel that being restricted to a side arm is much better than having my overall slot layout reduced or something like that. Given that outside of visible health bars, CCP hasn't said anything logi related since 1.3, I think we're safe. If changes need to be made though, the other suits should be touched and brought up to logistics level of attractiveness instead of the other way around. Just look at what an assault suit gets compared to a logistics when you look at the basic medium. Logis are an entirely different class and assaults keep the same base stats but different bonuses.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
410
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:42:00 -
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My head hurts. OK, many years ago in The Simpsons, the school strikes oil and poll their employees as to how to spend the money. The lunch lady comes in and says:
lunch lady Doris wrote: "The staff are complaining about the mice in the kitchen...."
"I want to hire a new staff!"
Logi bro said it himself, the problem is logis not using equipment. So, here's what we get:
Logi bro wrote: "The logistics players aren't using their equipment....."
"Let's take away their weapons!"
How does taking away a light weapon fix the problem of people not filling equipment slots? Oh, right, it doesn't!
You are solving one problem by causing an entirely new and worse one? Brilliant! CCP hire this man immediately!
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
410
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:43:00 -
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Res
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
308
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Posted - 2013.11.18 07:07:00 -
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Who are you people?
CQC is only half the game and 90% I am supporting a squad that is ranging in the open. Hell more than half of the time I am the last one standing and have to revive several of my squad members after an engagement. No LW? Without it I would not be able to support my squad effectively in our intelligence gathering roles as LRRP members.
I get that you were GÇ£logi before it was coolGÇ¥ but really, why the hatred? This kind of request is ridiculous and asinine. Because there has been a lack of all the basic racial variants in suits and weapons, this is your suggestion as a solution for what, the lack of available variety?
The arguments that you present, while interestingly ludicrous, considering that logiGÇÖs need to be able to maintain themselves on the frontline and if they are being shot at by weapons from LW ranges, the Sidearm will do them nothing but get them killed. More equipment, greater stamina and speed when they are carrying exponentially more equipment than an assault. The makes absolutely no sense to me. And the argument about the slow speeds of the logos and how they are not able to keep up with the assaults, well that is usually solved by coordinated movements of a squad and the squad basing itGÇÖs speed off of the slowest individuals, which should be the heavies, not the logiGÇÖs. The Assault are SUPPOSED to be faster because they are the ones that are supposed to be IN FRONT of the logis and heavies. They are the reaction team that initiates the engagements. If I am luck I finish it off, or I run in a two -three person team to work security and parameter clearance.
AS a matter of fact, if you were to take the example of current combat medics/ support in the military of today, you will see all of them with not only a sidearm, but also a battle rifle (i.e., AR, etc.).
Your reasoning for this request is paper thin at best and lacks any real substantive elements. Your only reason is your arbitrary and capricious interpretation of GÇ£what a logi should act likeGÇ¥ on the battlefield. Bollocks.
This idea of yours seems to be wanting for a basis, so please enlighten the rest of us with your wisdom. What are you real intentions here? Obviously not to make logiGÇÖs more logistically? And really, who are you to impose your version of how things should be in MY corp. If that is a rule that you wish to implement in EON, be my guest. But donGÇÖt come into somebody elseGÇÖs houser telling them what to cook, how to dress, or whether or not they are allowed to drink scotch.
And if you donGÇÖt get the analogy, well I can see that I am talking with THE tool. |
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