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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:34:00 -
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Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON"
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:05:00 -
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RydogV wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" Everybody has a playstyle, yours seems to work well. Congrats. But I don't have some symbiotic relationship with just one player. Someone I just cling to the entire game. I that works then all the power to you. But I work to keep all my teammates alive. In Squad matches that means my entire fireteam. In Pub battles that is everyone...blue or green. It is a dangerous world out there. I'd rather not traverse it with just a Scrambler Pistol. Thanks anyway. "True Logi"
I completely understand and I can do exactly that. I just have a pet that's all
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You are an idiot. How exactly do you think your friend is gonna guard you? By being your meatshield? I'll just gun you down and then work on your friend afterwards. Everyone doesn't always need a repair or resupply 24/7. And I shouldn't be restricted to only being a medic. That would kill most of the fun out of the logistics class. What happens when your partner is down but there is an enemy nearby? Are you gonna revive him and hope that you and him don't get gunned down in the process? You shouldn't even bother trying to kill that enemy because after all, Logis don't need weapons do they?
LOL you sir don't know how to logi. You can't touch this when I doing tactics. people don't play smart. All they want to do is run and gun... Then when something different comes in the field they get steamrolled. I see this all the time. People going after me they don't go after the person I'm repping. But squad play get it done.
Playing slowly rewards the player . Since I didnt rush in, I didn't get surropunded. Since I didnt get surrounded My tam got the kills. Since MY team got the kills We won the match.
You insult me but I have got the logi down to a T. If you want to slay with your logi then Hats off for being a leach on the system
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:11:00 -
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Skihids wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You aren't being nearly as effective as you can be if you are glued to your squadmate's backside 24/7. If he's not hurt you should be doing something else like shooting, hacking, deploying equipment, or scanning. You may enjoy your limmited play style, but it would bore me to death.
You don't know what you are talking about. I hack, put equipment down but I am not trying to be a 1 man army like most of these wannabee logi's.
They playstyle is not as limited as just pointing and shooting. I play enough to know that half the things people say in these forums are bull and am completely tired of it.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:33:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Atiim wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You are an idiot. How exactly do you think your friend is gonna guard you? By being your meatshield? I'll just gun you down and then work on your friend afterwards. Everyone doesn't always need a repair or resupply 24/7. And I shouldn't be restricted to only being a medic. That would kill most of the fun out of the logistics class. What happens when your partner is down but there is an enemy nearby? Are you gonna revive him and hope that you and him don't get gunned down in the process? You shouldn't even bother trying to kill that enemy because after all, Logis don't need weapons do they? LOL you sir don't know how to logi. You can't touch this when I doing tactics. people don't play smart. All they want to do is run and gun... Then when something different comes in the field they get steamrolled. I see this all the time. People going after me they don't go after the person I'm repping. But squad play get it done. Playing slowly rewards the player . Since I didnt rush in, I didn't get surropunded. Since I didnt get surrounded My tam got the kills. Since MY team got the kills We won the match. You insult me but I have got the logi down to a T. If you want to slay with your logi then Hats off for being a leach on the system Not to put too fine a point on it, but this isn't TF2. I'm a pro-level Medic in TF2, and what you're doing fits that to a T, but in here you're a damned moron. If he's at full HP and you still have your rep tool on him you are wasting everyone's time, mostly your own. You are far more effective in a fight aiming your gun than healing a target under fire. A Core Repair tool does 180-odd HP a second. An unskilled militia AR does 425 damage a second, 383 to the armor layer you are attempting to heal. There is QUITE the discrepancy, and you REALLY aren't helping much. You would be alot more effective if you countered the 425 with your own 425.
who ever said I dont do anything else but rep if he is full... Last I heard I had 4 equipment slots to do whatever the hell I want. Deducing That I'm just repping is basically ignorant.
Just so you know
Guardian 35 points
scan bonus 15 points
total 50 points without defend order. You decide whether I'm the one doing it wrong ^^
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 05:35:00 -
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Skihids wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Skihids wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" You aren't being nearly as effective as you can be if you are glued to your squadmate's backside 24/7. If he's not hurt you should be doing something else like shooting, hacking, deploying equipment, or scanning. You may enjoy your limmited play style, but it would bore me to death. You don't know what you are talking about. I hack, put equipment down but I am not trying to be a 1 man army like most of these wannabee logi's. They playstyle is not as limited as just pointing and shooting. I play enough to know that half the things people say in these forums are bull and am completely tired of it. Ummm, Quote:I have my rep tool on him 24/7 I'm pretty sure that I read this correctly. As an effective Logi you should at minimum be laying down cover fire to help your assault partner rather than hiding in the back letting him take all the heat. A couple MD rounds can make all the difference in a gunfight. You can't keep him alive with a rep tool if two ARs are aimed at him, and that's what will happen if I and my assault partner run into you.
Taking things litterally is wrong. Use the experience you have in the game. Deduce that there are other things to be done. 24/7 thats a reference to every day of the week?? I wonder how litterally you took it
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:00:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.
I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.
Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.
True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" Then "True" Logis are bad. Good Logis know to kill the enemy before you rez/revive, and killing the enemy takes priority since you're not helping anyone dead or with an enemy shooting at you when you're rezzing. Why? Because DPS speed > Rez speed. See, this is kind of the issue with the whole sidearm argument. Would you rather have a guy that can fight along side you and run support, or a guy that can't really do anything unless you take damage, run out of ammo or go down? Dust is still a FPS (even though it doesn't feel like one at times) and we're all slayers first and class roles second.
Hello cosgar. I actually have to disagree with you in this one. People think that just because you can only use a side arm you can't fight alongside. I think that train of thought is wrong.
A sidearm can give support fore and with the new repair tool stats there is literally nothing that can kill my pet.
Let's say I just use a BDR-8 triage repair tool. With the correct gameplay I will have kept my teammate alive and will have doubled our warpoint gain. I can tell you this, and you can ask anyone that squads with me on a regular basis. IT can be done.
Just as I made the plasma cannon on my signature usefull, being a pure logi build without enfassis on weaponry is actually a force multiplier not a a drop in dps.
While me and my mates are chipping away at their armor while mainting our ours intact we get through things that couldnt be done otherwise.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:30:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:
It all depends on the logi and their playstyle. You know I favor the mass driver in most cases, but I also use the GLU-5 on more wide open maps and a SMG/ScP in situations where it's more beneficial to run all proto equipment. Every situation is different and a wider variety of weapons is more beneficial than being restricted to a certain range or a certain playstyle.
I completely agree but we have our variety from what we can do on the field not by how we can kill. kiling variations belongs to assaults who can mostly only kill.
Currently I am dead tired of seeing logi's everywhere and no nanohives, reps, uplinks, etc. Having more slot layout, more CPU/PWGRD whilst having the same killing power than assault breaks the system.
Cosgar, you know I am a logi. I used to use the mass driver but switched to the plasma cannon on a logi. If that weapon doesn't prove that a logi can use a side arm then nothing will make a believer out of anyone.
As things stands the logi suit is in real danger of having something worse happen to it than get their weapons restricted to sidearms. I for one don't wan't that to happen.
I hear a lot of crazy talk being thrown around and I for one feel that being restricted to a side arm is much better than having my overall slot layout reduced or something like that.
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