One thing I will disagree wityh is the extra CPU/PG and extra Equipment slot (think Caldari Logi) because what's to stop a Player from not using the equipment, but tanking more HP, or Speed, or Damage, or whatever on the Frame? You could turn a Scout into an Assault but with the added speed and smaller hitbox.

I'm not following your thinking here.

Are you saying scouts shouldn't be able to put good gear in the slots they do have?

Until you get to proto you are very limited in slots and CPU/PG. Adding an extra equipment slot is not going to allow people to tank more -- they still have the crappy non-equipment layout they have now.

On the proto, the suit has better CPU/PG but still has one equipment slot. Giving it an extra equipment slot will have nothing to do with what someone may decide to tank.

Edit: It would be nice to allow a scout to have ammo/hives as well as some other type of equipment since they are often roaming around locations far away from other hives or supply depots.

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Even on a Protosuit, you can't fit all Proto gear, it won't fit, and you can't be diversified.
Instead of using the Extra CPU/PG to fill equipment, you could use it to stack all Proto mods, making yourself overly effective(possibly OP)

I've read through this entire thread and seen all sorts of BS said.

The undeniable fact of the matter is that a mini logi can do anything any scout suit can do and still have more eHP and carry extra equipment.
Let's look at some stats (assuming max skills):
Logi mk0 -
512 CPU
102 PG
299 eHP
4 low slots
4 high slots
4 equipment slots
7.35m/s sprint
5hp/s built in repair
45db Scan Profile

Scout mk0 -
210 less CPU
23 less PG
87 less eHP
2 less low slots
1 less high slot
3 less equipment slots
0.96 more sprint speed
5hp/s less built in repair
14.63db lower profile

Scout gk0 -
184 less CPU
23 less PG
50 less eHP
Same low slots
3 less high slots
3 less equipment slots
0.66 more sprint speed
5hp/s less built in repair
14.63db lower profile
7.5m extra passive scan radius

Taking into consideration the extra slots and CPU/PG the logi has, every single benefit that the scout suits have can easily be surpassed with mods. 1 complex kincat gets more speed than the galscout and just less than the minscout. 1 complex range amp gets 0.75m less scan range than the galscout. 1 complex profile dampener gets very nearly the same profile as any scout.

That is how easy it is to be just as good as a scout at scouting with many slots, CPU and PG left over, as well as being able to carry 3 extra pieces of equipment, so you can effectively scout by running an active scanner and uplinks. Oh and don't forget your extra free built in complex repper and extra hack speed, so you're even a better infiltrator!

So, whatever you think isn't wrong with the scouts is irrelevant - with the way they currently are, they are pointless.

Rifle, are the reason your all scared if we get any love, an tbh you should be cuz when we're fixed we're gonna be a nasty bunch

1) So, you want CCP to take time to figure out how to utilize your roles better in a game that you only take up 1% of the population?

2) Get to the back of the line...

3) Shotty, quite frankly you're seen as some "Scout Hero"

4) ... you're just a guy that complains because he always wants more, because his neighbor has it...

Consider the extent of Scout Nerfs since Chromosome:

• Our Slot Configs were directly nerfed
• Our EQ Slots were directly nerfed
• Our PG/CPU outputs directly were nerfed
• Our Scan Radius was directly were nerfed
• Our Stamina pool was directly nerfed
• Our Base Speeds were directly nerfed
• Our Alpha potential was indirectly nerfed (with massive buffs to medium/heavy eHP)
• Our Evasive abilities were indirectly nerfed (by improved hitscan mechanics)
• Our Hitbox advantage was indirectly nerfed (by aim assist)
• Our Mobility advantage was indirectly nerfed (with buffs to non-scout mobility)
• Our Strafe advantage was indirectly nerfed (with buffs to non-scout strafe speed)
• Our Tools of assassination were nerfed and broken (SG / NK detection remains unreliable)

The "Buff Scout" threads of early Uprising were welcome and supported (even by non-Scouts). When our ranks dwindled and our performance sagged, even CCP acknowledged the problem. Cmdr Wang promised future Dev Hugs, and every build since we have waited. Everyone agreed that the Scout was sick and needed something substantial.

Five builds later, we've all become more and more accustomed to the Scout imbalance. AR-514's sense of entitlement has been nurtured and encouraged. It took some time to take hold, but now the "Scouts aren't supposed to kill" mentality is commonplace. So much so, that when a Top 100 player -- who happens to be a Scout -- smashed someone, that someone stomped off to the forums in protest...

"How dare a Scout be able to kill me?"

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We Scouts have adapted and the TacNet changes have helped. But our blades remain dull, our suits remain imbalanced, and our roles remain better performed by others.

• We account for only 3-5% of the playerbase and only 2% of the Top 100.
• 38% of us (including CPM Nova Knife) have been largely inactive in 1.5.
• 25% of us haven't bothered to play 1.5 at all.
• 75% of newbro Scouts give up before reaching 1,000 kills.

The Scout is still sick, and more work must be done. We're very much looking forward to a meaningful buff, whether or not AR-514 thinks it appropriate.

I am starting to think we have all been taken for some epic trolling here. No one can be as stupid or as blind as the OP while deliberately ignoring the evidence presented which clearly states the point that Scouts need dire attention. The OP's points of view change from poster to poster and he has no solid footing or evidence to back up his claims besides his own bias.

If this isn't an epic trolling attempt i'm going to say it is one of the biggest cases of butt hurt I have seen in a while.

I am starting to think we have all been taken for some epic trolling here. No one can be as stupid or as blind as the OP while deliberately ignoring the evidence presented which clearly states the point that Scouts need dire attention. The OP's points of view change from poster to poster and he has no solid footing or evidence to back up his claims besides his own bias.

If this isn't an epic trolling attempt i'm going to say it is one of the biggest cases of butt hurt I have seen in a while.

Of course you are. Because while everyone has to play tactically, you'll get to treat the game like Call of Duty, which is basically what all Scouts really want...

Battlefield and Call of Duty are that way <-----

Couldn't the same be about you too? Or wait, if you state it, its true just because, right? If you want your scouts to preform like Call of Duty playstyle, then allow Assaults the same, you can die in three shots with every gun in the game, sound fair?

Because that's all scouts want. They don't want to sacrifice anything in this game.
How come Heavies don't get a buff then? They are reduced to glorified campers...

Go back to Call of Duty, where you can run around with your shotgun there and be effective. Sorry, but a large, tactical, open map FPS isn't Scout friendly, and never can be.
According to scouts: The only time they were ever supposedly effective was in Chromosome where they actually weren't effective, it was just an exploit in the game mechanics.

So, you want your exploit back? Then let everyone have their exploits back too.

Not that I care a whole lot anyway...

Couldn't the same be about you too? Or wait, if you state it, its true just because, right? If you want your scouts to preform like Call of Duty playstyle, then allow Assaults the same, you can die in three shots with every gun in the game, sound fair?

Because that's all scouts want. They don't want to sacrifice anything in this game.
How come Heavies don't get a buff then? They are reduced to glorified campers...

Go back to Call of Duty, where you can run around with your shotgun there and be effective. Sorry, but a large, tactical, open map FPS isn't Scout friendly, and never can be.
According to scouts: The only time they were ever supposedly effective was in Chromosome where they actually weren't effective, it was just an exploit in the game mechanics.

So, you want your exploit back? Then let everyone have their exploits back too.

Not that I care a whole lot anyway...

I am starting to think we have all been taken for some epic trolling here. No one can be as stupid or as blind as the OP while deliberately ignoring the evidence presented which clearly states the point that Scouts need dire attention. The OP's points of view change from poster to poster and he has no solid footing or evidence to back up his claims besides his own bias.

If this isn't an epic trolling attempt i'm going to say it is one of the biggest cases of butt hurt I have seen in a while.

Doubtful, sadly. And representative of many AR-514.

Content with imbalance, if and only if it works in his favor.
Eager to defend and perpetuate his undue advantage.
Unable to comprehend facts which threaten his entitlement.
Liberated from reason and incapable of debate.
Well aware that he moves among superior opponent.
Overcome by emotion and fearful of a balanced Scout.

We can draw your tears as is, OP.
Imagine what we'll accomplish once we're balanced.

Go back to Call of Duty, where you can run around with your shotgun there and be effective. Sorry, but a large, tactical, open map FPS isn't Scout friendly, and never can be.
According to scouts: The only time they were ever supposedly effective was in Chromosome where they actually weren't effective, it was just an exploit in the game mechanics.

So, you want your exploit back? Then let everyone have their exploits back too.

Not that I care a whole lot anyway...

you chose Scout and stuck with it.

This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications.

I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc...

I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought?

Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sh*t out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at.

I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function.


So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance.

I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example:

The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time.
I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended.