One thing I will disagree wityh is the extra CPU/PG and extra Equipment slot (think Caldari Logi) because what's to stop a Player from not using the equipment, but tanking more HP, or Speed, or Damage, or whatever on the Frame? You could turn a Scout into an Assault but with the added speed and smaller hitbox.
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Scenario A:
Newbro AR-514 spots Proto Scout.
Guns him down in an instant, as the Scout made a mistake.

Scenario B:
Newbro Scout sneaks up behind Proto AR-514.
Stabs or Shotguns his mark in the back, but dies instantly when mark turns around.

Conclusion:
Perfectly planned and executed assassinations often fail.
Hit-and-run / stealth playstyle is imbalanced.
Perhaps this is why 75% of newbro Scouts quit Dust after graduating the Academy.

Question:
Why is this OK?

I understand

Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout

One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout

You guys are taking this suit too seriously and blaming the suit and not the user, the scout suit isn't the easiest suit to play,in most cases the reason the scout dies is from personal mistakes(or lack of experience) either from the users failure to execute assassinations or lack of situational awareness which put him in those situations where he is killed.Don't expect newberry bros to know is head from his ass fresh out of academy to play scout well,it's not entry level and anyone getting into scout suits should know what their in for,puting your balls on the line with the risk of death higher than any other suit but for great profit/thrill,IF you know how to play it.

The reason we run scout is for the speed tank. Back when uprising just came out, speed tanking was a beauty with scouts.

Unfortunately now with AA and who knows what else, it's made speed tanking completely useless. Now it's all about hp tank.

Let me ask you. Does a 500 armor scout even count as a scout? Because that's the best fit so far for scouts. Straight up hp is the best for SCOUTS. Is that ok?

So, you want CCP to take time to figure out how to utilize your roles better in a game that you only take up 1% of the population?
Get to the back of the line...

Shotty, quite frankly you're seen as some "Scout Hero" when you're just a guy that complains because he always wants more, because his neighbor has it...

The reason why we're so small of the population is because our **** is UP dip hit. And go to the back of what line? You want a better medium frame scrub?

No, I wanted more important things to be fixed. Like rendering issues, hit detection, lag, match making, software time, etc...

Scout should get 20-30 meter scan radius, reduction to active scanner CPU and PG usage, a smaller profile radius, more CPU and PG, 2 equip slots, and maybe some more highs or lows.

Damn, what a run-on.

Hid in the city of the gallente science facility.
Protected an objective the intire game and killed the same person at least 10 times. We eventually lost the objective because the team never was able to defend/capture the other ones. So I became swamped with raspberries .

My opinion of the scout role.
Due to lack of available communication options the actual option to scout isn't likely. The active scanner is only helpful while scouting to your squad.
Defending an objective is one of my favorite things to do as a scout. My profile makes me hard to track and my, usually higher, speed lets me rush around corners and to objectives to assassinate someone hacking. The active scanner is the perfect tool for this. But because the scout is an independent role at most times you might run our of ammo easily making you useless.
Scouts need a speed/stamina, profile/precision/radius, and small(slight) PG/CPU buff and then they will be fine.
But I honestly don't think adding a second equipment slot would hurt or make the scout OP.

Scout should get 20-30 meter scan radius, reduction to active scanner CPU and PG usage, a smaller profile radius, more CPU and PG, 2 equip slots, and maybe some more highs or lows.

Damn, what a run-on.

if our weapons were as reliable as a scr or AR everyone would say its op and if they ever fix it permanently , i promise you.

Here's some irony from your post.

"our weapons"?

Scouts are low-power, low-cpu suits, right?
According to that, AR and SCR, *are* "our weapons".

Proto scrambler PISTOL: 48/8 CPU/Power
ADV AR (eg: GEK): 47/6


ADV scrambler PISTOL: 27/5
(or the NICE one, TT-3, 34/7

std AR: 23/3
std SCR: 29/11

ANd then there's the ultimate scout weapon. Knives. light weight, low power. Right?
Except that even just the ADV knives, take 27/5. Proto is 48/8.

MORE RESOURCE DRAIN THAN AN AR. And why do knives, need "cpu" ?!?!???


ANYONE NOT SEE A PROBLEM HERE???

MORE RESOURCE DRAIN THAN AN AR. And why do knives, need "cpu" ?!?!???


ANYONE NOT SEE A PROBLEM HERE???

And why do knives, need "cpu" ?!?!???

Here's some irony from your post.

"our weapons"?

Scouts are low-power, low-cpu suits, right?
According to that, AR and SCR, *are* "our weapons".

Proto scrambler PISTOL: 48/8 CPU/Power
ADV AR (eg: GEK): 47/6


ADV scrambler PISTOL: 27/5
(or the NICE one, TT-3, 34/7

std AR: 23/3
std SCR: 29/11

ANd then there's the ultimate scout weapon. Knives. light weight, low power. Right?
Except that even just the ADV knives, take 27/5. Proto is 48/8.

MORE RESOURCE DRAIN THAN AN AR. And why do knives, need "cpu" ?!?!???


ANYONE NOT SEE A PROBLEM HERE???

Looks like the OPs corp name is apt as he has as much sence and intelligence as a 2nd grader.

This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications.

I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc...

I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought?

Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sh*t out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at.

I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function.


So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance.

I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example:

The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time.
I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended.

You know there is actually a 3 step process dealing with people you think are wrong.

1. You think they are ignorant.
-That was everyone's first step, they thought I was simply misinformed. Many on here have provided me information in order to correct my ignorance in Scouts. I learned a lot about them, and tried to apply it to my own understanding. I left many likes and responses on here agreeing with some of these changes, but overall I didn't feel it was warrant enough to change the Scout as it is right now.

2. After information is provided, and the person still doesn't agree, they are simply an idiot.
-I got called an idiot on this thread left and right. Because I was unable to simply understand the point of view of Scouts, I was called a moron. I understand what drawbacks the Scout/Light has, and I still didn't agree that they should be changed right now. Or, that there changes were needed in the game at this time.

3. Lastly, the person is deemed informed, and intelligent enough to understand it, so they are simply evil. They are lying.
-Eventually I got called names, and was labeled a Troll, because no other explanation could represent my point of view and assessment. Me being right, even just a little bit, was a notion that could not be entertained, I had to be going about this whole thread with deceitful intentions. One guy on here said that eventually I would be referenced to Adolf ******. People on here started labeling my personality with evil traits. I was doing this thread simply because I was an a**hole.

Here's a reference link if you want.


Long... looooooong thread short. I agree with some changes that can be made to Scout, but at the end of the day the Scout is so close to the center-line of effective versus OP. I think they are about as balanced as you can get in this game without pushing them over the edge to OP. If the changes people are wanting are slight, then why have them at all? What is so detrimental about having them stay the same? They are hard to use, but also have the ability to puke wrecksauce on opponents if put in the right hands.
Broken game mechanics aside (this is a content balance issue) Scouts may be hard mode, but so is the SCR, Plasma Cannon, etc... but placed the right hands... they devastate. Instead of worrying about wanting more, why not try to unlock the Scouts potential first? If you feel you already have unlocked that potential (like the list on Shotty's Leaderboard seem to have done) then how can you complain? How can you complain having a 3 K/D in the hardest frame? How can you complain topping leaderboards? How can you want more if you're already considered some of the best DUST Players on the planet?

Look at it from both sides, objectively, without selfishness. You can actually learn a lot on this forum, not just about the game but humans in general...

You guys are taking this suit too seriously and blaming the suit and not the user, the scout suit isn't the easiest suit to play,in most cases the reason the scout dies is from personal mistakes(or lack of experience) either from the users failure to execute assassinations or lack of situational awareness which put him in those situations where he is killed.Don't expect newberry bros to know is head from his ass fresh out of academy to play scout well,it's not entry level and anyone getting into scout suits should know what their in for,puting your balls on the line with the risk of death higher than any other suit but for great profit/thrill,IF you know how to play it.