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BARDAS
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Posted - 2013.10.20 10:12:00 -
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I think the OP has been doused in flames by people who are much more eloquent than I, but I just want to add my voice to those saying that the Scout is not limited to the literal definition of "Scout". Every single person who runs Scout plays slightly different than the rest. Myself, I play as an Assassin with Knives and SMGs mostly - until the latest patch where knives became useless(story for another thread). I also hack and lay down uplinks, scan, ect. But the problem is anything we can do no matter what it is can be done better by a medium drop suit. Lately I have been forced to invest 1 point in every single weapon type in the game in order to find something that fits. I have yet to find something that works well...
Like many I have heard the siren call of the Logi and Assault. I don't leave Scout right now because regardless of my frequent attacks of pure rage I find the suit still somewhat rewarding to play. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.20 10:44:00 -
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8213 wrote:
Yes, it's fine.
You still get your Scout Bonuses, and you still have speed without having to use Kin-Cats. I was watched you that game, and you were faster than everyone else by far. I'm sorry, but saying a medium can do that is simply a lie. A medium nneds to use a slot for a Kin-Cat, you don't. And you get a much smaller hit box.
Chormosone hasn't been around for looooong while, and Uprising has been here for half a year... you say Scouts suck now, but still use them, and perform well in them? Doesn't answer WHY you're using this supposed gimped setup now. You told me why you used them back then, but why are you gimping yourself now?
According to you, if you had a Medium Frame you would have done even better playing that same style. You would have been magically faster, had more HP, and more power.... thanks for gimping yourself on purpose, buddy ole pal.
If AA was a factor than my HMG should have leveled you as intended... oh wait, if the it works in your favor its you being a beast and the other sucking, but if it doesn't work in your favor then the game needs to be fixed, right? Because you should never die? Do your deaths not count?
Sorry, none of your reasons have any merit. You struck out 3x in this thread. Some people actually posted reasonable things that they wanted. They didn't come up with the coded "I want more, I'm selfish, I shouldn't die ever in this game because my ego thinks I'm to good for it" gibberish that you have.
Using DJINN Marauder as the bar for the majority of Scouts is stupid. He is the equivalent of the Scout 1%. Last time I checked he was the #1 ranked Scout on the killboard. The majority of us don't do nearly as well as he does on the battlefield. He is right also. Medium suits are better suited to "scout" roles at this point in time. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.20 11:07:00 -
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8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:
Yes, it's fine.
You still get your Scout Bonuses, and you still have speed without having to use Kin-Cats. I was watched you that game, and you were faster than everyone else by far. I'm sorry, but saying a medium can do that is simply a lie. A medium nneds to use a slot for a Kin-Cat, you don't. And you get a much smaller hit box.
Chormosone hasn't been around for looooong while, and Uprising has been here for half a year... you say Scouts suck now, but still use them, and perform well in them? Doesn't answer WHY you're using this supposed gimped setup now. You told me why you used them back then, but why are you gimping yourself now?
According to you, if you had a Medium Frame you would have done even better playing that same style. You would have been magically faster, had more HP, and more power.... thanks for gimping yourself on purpose, buddy ole pal.
If AA was a factor than my HMG should have leveled you as intended... oh wait, if the it works in your favor its you being a beast and the other sucking, but if it doesn't work in your favor then the game needs to be fixed, right? Because you should never die? Do your deaths not count?
Sorry, none of your reasons have any merit. You struck out 3x in this thread. Some people actually posted reasonable things that they wanted. They didn't come up with the coded "I want more, I'm selfish, I shouldn't die ever in this game because my ego thinks I'm to good for it" gibberish that you have.
Using DJINN Marauder as the bar for the majority of Scouts is stupid. He is the equivalent of the Scout 1%. Last time I checked he was the #1 ranked Scout on the killboard. The majority of us don't do nearly as well as he does on the battlefield. He is right also. Medium suits are better suited to "scout" roles at this point in time. Wow, so not only is he considered one of the elite players in the game as it is, he's the most elite On Shotty GoBang's board... so that makes him the best DUST 514 player playing today, right? So, the best DUST 514 player happens to run Scout, for no apparent reason than to give the rest of us noobs a chance at the game. What a swell guy he is. What swell people ALL Scouts are... still, can anyone tell me WHY Scouts are being used if they need so much work? I shot shot a Caldari scout today with a charged SCR shot, he still was able to survive, and dance around me and nail me dead with his Shotgun. Radar from Outer.Heaven I believe it was. What do you suppose is harder? Him jumoing around me spamming a shotgun, or me landing a Charged SCR shot on him? Did the game reward me for my superior skill? Nope, because his fragile Scout suit was able to survive it. Simple as this. If mediums can do the job of a Scout better, than nobody would be using a Scout...
I ain't gonna lie. You sound more butt hurt about being shotgunned to death than anything. Also, hardly anyone uses Scouts. From what I read there are only about 250 of us I think that use the suit on a regular basis? There are how many Medium Suit users? Thousands at the very least. Your entire argument is invalid as logical fallacy anyway. Causation does not imply correlation. Meaning that just because you died to a superior player who is more skilled than you and just happened to be playing as a Scout doesn't mean the suit is fine and doesn't need a buff. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
680
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Posted - 2013.10.20 11:26:00 -
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8213 wrote:Scouts have their advantages that no other suits can duplicate, but that's not enough for Scout users.
 Are we even playing the same game? I would laugh but I'm pretty sure you are serious. Please pray tell us what these mystical roles that only a Scout can perform are? |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.20 11:56:00 -
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8213 wrote:BARDAS wrote:8213 wrote:Scouts have their advantages that no other suits can duplicate, but that's not enough for Scout users. Are we even playing the same game? I would laugh but I'm pretty sure you are serious. Please pray tell us what these mystical roles that only a Scout can perform are? 1. Speed without Kin-Cats 2. Smaller hitboxes 3. Racial Scout Bonus 4. Scout Bonus 5. More Stealth(not much, but more) 6. Stamina without Cardiac Regulators 7. Jumps higher So, I suppose the roles it would do better are: 1.Sneaking behind enemy lines (Maybe that's what its called a Scout) to plant equipment or Hack. 2. Closing range between enemies faster, making Shotguns (and other weapons) more effective too, thus providing yourself with a decent assault role, with the added defense of a smaller hitbox. 3. AV, because a Scout can chase down a HAV better, and cross terrian better because of the jumping ability. Good enough for me...
1. 0.33 extra speed is meaningless unless you are sprinting for 100+ meters. A Duvolle will eat you alive in a second and with Aim Assist speed tanking is DEAD.
2. O rly? Equip a scout suit and try and sprint through a small opening. You can't do it because it is as big as a heavies
3. Completely useless for Minmatar at this point in time. Nova Knives are the most broken weapon in the game right now. Passive scanning is just as useless right now for different reasons so there goes Gallente's bonus.
4. Dampening bonus is a bit more useful but to be "invisible" you need to give up on your tank as a Gallente or Speed as a Minmatar. Doesn't work with Proto scanners either. Plus you need to spend millions of more SP vs what someone spent to get a proto scanner.
5. What stealth? See above.
6. LOL wut? Stamina was nerfed back in 1.2 I think it was.
7. Never noticed this when I play my Dragonfly Assault
Really, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:06:00 -
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I am starting to think we have all been taken for some epic trolling here. No one can be as stupid or as blind as the OP while deliberately ignoring the evidence presented which clearly states the point that Scouts need dire attention. The OP's points of view change from poster to poster and he has no solid footing or evidence to back up his claims besides his own bias.
If this isn't an epic trolling attempt i'm going to say it is one of the biggest cases of butt hurt I have seen in a while. |
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