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8213 Grade No.2 467	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:37:00 - [1] - Quote This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications. I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc... I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought? Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sht out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout* the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at. I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function. So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance. I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example: The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time. I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 422	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:41:00 - [2] - Quote depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help?
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 73	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:43:00 - [3] - Quote 8213 wrote: This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications. I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc... I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought? Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sht out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout* the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at. I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function. So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance. I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example: The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time. I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended. Word! That is what I'm trying to write here in forum. Scouts should scout not to do frontliners job.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1427	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote LOL. WE'VE GOT A TOURIST
8213 Grade No.2 467	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:47:00 - [5] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? I understand Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2651	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:47:00 - [6] - Quote Mregomies wrote: 8213 wrote: This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications. I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc... I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought? Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sht out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout* the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at. I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function. So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance. I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example: The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time. I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended. Word! That is what I'm trying to write here in forum. Scouts should scout not to do frontliners job. Please explain how a Scout, is supposed to Scout, with a 10m Scan Radius, tthe same as every other suit in the game. Go ahead.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 581	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:49:00 - [7] - Quote A lot of scouts have turned many a battle by placing droplinks behind enemy lines. This is something we are good at. I do it all the time. The main complaint stems from the fact that while I, and many other scouts, accept the fact that our suits are meant to do less than the standard medium-frame tasks, the medium suits can do just as well (or better) with almost no downsides when they play 'scout-like'. They can damp, sprint, scan, drop uplinks, lay down remote explosives, etc., etc.... they have more high/low slots and more PG/CPU to equip the modules to excel at the above. And they come with none of the drawbacks scouts have. This is the main issue. If scouts had small buffs, OR, could so something medium frames could not do better, things would be more fair. EDIT: but we are scouts. We are badass. We know it (even though we ***** a lot)
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1428	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:52:00 - [8] - Quote Anything we can do, an assault or logi can do better. The only thing they cannot do is have a smaller hitbox.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1225	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote SOme of you ******* still don't get it? Okay, I'll try and make this real simple: 1: THe modules made for us is too hard to fit. 2: speed can be matched by a medium, and with more eHP 3: scanning abilities can be matched by a medium, and again with more eHP, and half of the time, better firepower 4: Scouts have hardly any EWAR, and the EWAR that exists, which is scanners, the frames that should (imo) be benefited by it the most, Gallente Scouts (since Gallente are all about dem' scanners), aren't at all, and Logi suits are more, which is by the way a medium suit. 5: When the rest of the EWAR does finally come out, if nothing changes, like I said, Logi's will be benefited by them more because of the skill bonuses. All of this points to using Logi's and assaults more than the Scouts, because they can do everything the Scouts can better. That's why we ask for better base stats.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 422	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:02:00 - [10] - Quote 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? I understand Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout I read it, why have a scout if literally everything is better than it? congrats you could have used a logi and done the same thing but with better ehp? a few damps and an uplink and maybe a kinkat and you have a scout suit with twice the ehp that's still fast and stealthy. why have a scout? why? you can fill the same role with another suit that has better hitpoints and damage so why have a scout for it? also I'm gonna assume the underlined bit is a typo? might wanna fix it before you void your argument completely.

Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 308	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:08:00 - [11] - Quote i dont know whats the deal with "buff the scout" threads either,been using ADV min scout and doing just fine with it but only in Dom and skirmish(ambush is a death trap because of blop warframe).Scout suits are fine for what they do within the hit/run or stealth playstyles and only those styles and nothing else.
8213 Grade No.2 467	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:17:00 - [12] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? I understand Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout I read it, why have a scout if literally everything is better than it? congrats you could have used a logi and done the same thing but with better ehp? a few damps and an uplink and maybe a kinkat and you have a scout suit with twice the ehp that's still fast and stealthy. why have a scout? why? you can fill the same role with another suit that has better hitpoints and damage so why have a scout for it? also I'm gonna assume the underlined bit is a typo? might wanna fix it before you void your argument completely. Then I really have to ask, why are you using Scouts at all then? Why are you purposely gimping yourself? I was pointing out the name of the two different suits, that have 2 different roles. Assaults are made to kill, and not a whole lot more, they are made to be on the front lines. Scouts aren't made to do that. They are made to be behind the enemy lines, doing scout things. Sneaky things. Ambush tactics. Assaults assault. Scouts scout.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 427	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:39:00 - [13] - Quote 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? I understand Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout I read it, why have a scout if literally everything is better than it? congrats you could have used a logi and done the same thing but with better ehp? a few damps and an uplink and maybe a kinkat and you have a scout suit with twice the ehp that's still fast and stealthy. why have a scout? why? you can fill the same role with another suit that has better hitpoints and damage so why have a scout for it? also I'm gonna assume the underlined bit is a typo? might wanna fix it before you void your argument completely. Then I really have to ask, why are you using Scouts at all then? Why are you purposely gimping yourself? I was pointing out the name of the two different suits, that have 2 different roles. Assaults are made to kill, and not a whole lot more, they are made to be on the front lines. Scouts aren't made to do that. They are made to be behind the enemy lines, doing scout things. Sneaky things. Ambush tactics. Assaults assault. Scouts scout. it was an accident, I needed to get out of tanking for uprising cause I knew that tanks would suck an I got tired of being endlessly embattled with idiots on the forums insisting I was op when really I was in the red considerably. I remembered how much fun I had running a scout suit that was literally faster than the framerate at times back in the build before precursor (don't know it's name) little did I know they had gotten a sizeable nerf in the time since. so I specced a proto gal scout(mostly cause I wanted to wear the quafe suit and the bonuses) and proceded to get my ass handed to me again and again. eventually I "got gud" and now I go positive every match but the suit still isn't where it should be. it shouldn't just be hard mode it should have a reason to exist beyond difficult to use.
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 414	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:50:00 - [14] - Quote Scouts can't scout if they have the same base scan radius of every other suit. Boost it to 20, and I'm a content Scout.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation The Ascendancy 627	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:53:00 - [15] - Quote 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? I understand Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout The longer you scout, the more you get tired/bored, so you do "different" things like kill people in your scout suit. I go head on, but ppl can backstep as fast as I sprint so I can't get ppl in time. As soon as that is fixed ppl will be screwed in cqc. This sounds inspiring, that someone else is giving the scout a try.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1611	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:56:00 - [16] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Scout suits are fine for what they do within the hit/run or stealth playstyles and only those styles and nothing else. Scenario A: Newbro AR-514 spots Proto Scout. Guns him down in an instant, as the Scout made a mistake. Scenario B: Newbro Scout sneaks up behind Proto AR-514. Stabs or Shotguns his mark in the back, but dies instantly when mark turns around. Conclusion: Perfectly planned and executed assassinations often fail. Hit-and-run / stealth playstyle is imbalanced. Question: Why is this OK?
8213 Grade No.2 467	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:58:00 - [17] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: Scout suits are fine for what they do within the hit/run or stealth playstyles and only those styles and nothing else. Scenario A: Newbro AR-514 spots Proto Scout. Guns him down in an instant, as the Scout made a mistake. Scenario B: Newbro Scout sneaks up behind Proto AR-514. Stabs or Shotguns his mark in the back, but dies instantly when mark turns around. Conclusion: Perfectly planned and executed assassinations often fail. Hit-and-run / stealth playstyle is imbalanced. Question: Why is this OK? Because killing is a secondary function for a Scout?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1612	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:02:00 - [18] - Quote 8213 wrote: Because killing is a secondary function for a Scout? If killing is intended to be a secondary function ... 1) CCP should make every effort to remove "assassination" references from their Scout descriptions. 2) CCP should budget to lose 200 dedicated players who've been waiting patiently for promised "Dev Hugs". 3) AR-514 should pat itself on the back for forever ridding itself of skilled opponent.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2010	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:03:00 - [19] - Quote The reason scouts want a buff is because medium suits do the "scout" job better than scouts.. I mean if that's not enough to warrant a buff I don't know what is lol. If the smg did the AR job better as in more range more dmg more everything.... Wouldn't you want the AR to be buffed? Or smg Nerfed?
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1212	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:12:00 - [20] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? Yup. We aren't asking to be front line suits, we just wanna be able to do a scouts job and for no other suit to be better at it.

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 857	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:36:00 - [21] - Quote I use to be a scout till I got a respec you know why because assaults looked like they where having fun.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 889	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:51:00 - [22] - Quote more proof that other frames are actually scared of us! they feel wee do good as is, thats because we know whats broken about our frames, we do our best to compensate and its irritating, one day knives work, next day they dont, same with shotguns an most of everything we use, i am personally cqc, not a Ar user. i have wasted so many points skilling different stuff to survive. up rising hit i used knives and sg, that broke , so i went faylock and smg, that got nerfed, so i have a smg as my only 100% reliable weapon out of 4 at proficiency levels. then scanners came and the armor buff. a mini scout has 2 lows and loses all its speed in order to damp under 30 and cant under 15, gallente can but now were slower than any logi or med frame with a speed mod that can chase us down and still have 3 x the sp, shields suck now so i skilled into gallente, ontop of that a minmatar suit has no advantage to scan only gallente. we hack a spot alone, warning comes on screen, dead mercs spawn in our location and gangbangg one lonely scout. ontop of that my proto fit can hardly fit good gear or fill all slots and i have 23 million sp, im not a scrub and i have my suit skills up. not to mention that as a shield scout switching to a armored scout i also have almost all skills at 5 and my dragonfly does the same as my proto only my proto has better dps due to weapons, but they both have the same hp, figure that one out! so ya i think we have good enough reason to be more than choked about the situation.
Lightning Bolt2 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 265	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:54:00 - [23] - Quote 8213 wrote: This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications. I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc... I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought? Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sht out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout* the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at. I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function. So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance. I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example: The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time. I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended. knew I shouldn't of knifed you in your cal assault, sorry scouts!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1510	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:54:00 - [24] - Quote I love the guys who try to tell scouts how to play, in a game like Dust no less, this game is all about diversity: Shotgun assaults Mass driving heavys Murder medics Faction weapons on a different factions suit Multiple fits able to be changed on the fly Hacking logis Nova knifing mediums Armor tanked shield suits the list goes on, and on, and on, and yet you're telling me that my class is to be subjugated to one play style, because of what, that's how YOU think WE should play? HA ignorant, or arrogant, I can't tell which.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1846	Posted - 2013.10.19 21:00:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? I understand Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout In such a scenario, I can shield tank a Minny logi to nearly 600hp, add sprint mods and more equipment at only a few thousand extra isk.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 889	Posted - 2013.10.19 21:06:00 - [26] - Quote 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: 8213 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: depending on the scout you talk to you'll hear different things. for me it's that every task we can perform another suit can do better and with more hitpoints, also we can't really fit equipment on our suit without losing valuable tank. does that help? I understand Read the example at the end of my post. I used equipment, and had nothing to tank onto my HP. I was paper mache'. That's why I had to take the very long way around the enemy so I wasn't spotted, because I had zero chance in a fire fight. My role wasn't to get kills. That's why we have Assaults and Scouts. One is made to kill, the other is made to... scout I read it, why have a scout if literally everything is better than it? congrats you could have used a logi and done the same thing but with better ehp? a few damps and an uplink and maybe a kinkat and you have a scout suit with twice the ehp that's still fast and stealthy. why have a scout? why? you can fill the same role with another suit that has better hitpoints and damage so why have a scout for it? also I'm gonna assume the underlined bit is a typo? might wanna fix it before you void your argument completely. Then I really have to ask, why are you using Scouts at all then? Why are you purposely gimping yourself? I was pointing out the name of the two different suits, that have 2 different roles. Assaults are made to kill, and not a whole lot more, they are made to be on the front lines. Scouts aren't made to do that. They are made to be behind the enemy lines, doing scout things. Sneaky things. Ambush tactics. Assaults assault. Scouts scout. they were good, its not like we said hey lets pick the worst suit and ask ccp to make it better! did you play in chrome when scouts had it just as good as everyone else? uprising came, we lost slots, cpu pg, then the strafe changes, hit detection problems on our most used weapons, changes to scanners being in the game, no a mini scout cant do what a gallente can for stealth but a logi can, AR damage and insane range, tyhey changed the game from what it was when we dumped points in our suits, we need to be equaled out to match the changes done to benefit everyone else, the game was not like this when we became scouts, and it should not remain this way, period! the only reason this has lasted so long is so CCP can accommodate the larger player AR514 base. if our weapons were as reliable as a scr or AR everyone would say its op and if they ever fix it permanently , i promise you. and this fear is the reason behind this entire thread!
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1618	Posted - 2013.10.19 21:07:00 - [27] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: HA ignorant, or arrogant, I can't tell which. Add a pinch of entitlement, and I think you've nailed it. An entire class who think its OK to expect to kill the killer who sneaks up behind them.
Lightning Bolt2 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 266	Posted - 2013.10.19 21:22:00 - [28] - Quote 8213 wrote: The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time. I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended. and once I killed a guy and than hacked and stole hid madrugar, clearly I'm OP! once I used a logi fit with lots of uplinks and nanos and got 1600+ WP! once I got 42-4 in a match using only a scout, clearly the scouts fine. (seriously, they all were newbs and I was able to rush HEAD FIRST into them!!!) once, I set 6 RE's around the enemy objective, then the reds swarm it when I start hacking and I get 8 kills. clearly scouts are fine! I play as a scout and I easily spot most other scouts (where do you hide radar!?) and instead of knifing them I just switch to my STD AR on my fit and kill them in under a second! btw, assaults & logis can nearly match EVERYTHING a scout can do with MORE HP!!!
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 73	Posted - 2013.10.19 21:26:00 - [29] - Quote Is it the cost of suit then? My scout cost 7k ISK and slower medium suit cost 20k ISK. Proto versions ofcourse more. Protologi 200k ISK and proto scout ? More speed an passive scan would be nice.
Lightning Bolt2 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 266	Posted - 2013.10.19 21:41:00 - [30] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Is it the cost of suit then? My scout cost 7k ISK and slower medium suit cost 20k ISK. Proto versions ofcourse more. Protologi 200k ISK and proto scout ? More speed an passive scan would be nice. scouts are cheaper cuz we got no slots to make them expensive.



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