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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:56:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:Scout suits are fine for what they do within the hit/run or stealth playstyles and only those styles and nothing else.
Scenario A:
Newbro AR-514 spots Proto Scout.
Guns him down in an instant, as the Scout made a mistake.
Scenario B:
Newbro Scout sneaks up behind Proto AR-514.
Stabs or Shotguns his mark in the back, but dies instantly when mark turns around.
Conclusion:
Perfectly planned and executed assassinations often fail.
Hit-and-run / stealth playstyle is imbalanced.
Question:
Why is this OK?
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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.19 20:02:00 -
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8213 wrote:
Because killing is a secondary function for a Scout?
If killing is intended to be a secondary function ...
1) CCP should make every effort to remove "assassination" references from their Scout descriptions.
2) CCP should budget to lose 200 dedicated players who've been waiting patiently for promised "Dev Hugs".
3) AR-514 should pat itself on the back for forever ridding itself of skilled opponent. |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:07:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:
HA ignorant, or arrogant, I can't tell which.
Add a pinch of entitlement, and I think you've nailed it.
An entire class who think its OK to expect to kill the killer who sneaks up behind them. |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:25:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Some Scouts just haven't wised up to how unreliable CCP is. They said we'd get a change in the suit a few months ago, during 1.2, and they haven't realized CCP won't deliver.
Count me among the naive, but I find the Scout's relationship with CCP quite the familiar engagement...
Its just like dating a beautiful woman. I have what she wants (money), and she has the capacity to deliver things I want.
I will listen to her hopes, dreams and aspirations.
I will offer encouraging word and undivided attention.
I will spend money to further likelihood of payout.
But if I'm not getting any return on investment after a few months, she can count on being exchanged for an alternative.
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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:42:00 -
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8213 wrote:
Even on a Protosuit, you can't fit all Proto gear, it won't fit, and you can't be diversified.
Instead of using the Extra CPU/PG to fill equipment, you could use it to stack all Proto mods, making yourself overly effective(possibly OP)
Consider the extent of Scout Nerfs since Chromosome:
- Our Slot Configs were directly nerfed
- Our EQ Slots were directly nerfed
- Our PG/CPU outputs directly were nerfed
- Our Scan Radius was directly were nerfed
- Our Stamina pool was directly nerfed
- Our Base Speeds were directly nerfed
- Our alpha potential was indirectly nerfed (with massive buffs to medium/heavy eHP)
- Our Evasive abilities were indirectly nerfed (by improved hitscan mechanics)
- Our Hitbox advantage was indirectly nerfed (by aim assist)
- Our Mobility advantage was indirectly nerfed (with buffs to non-scout mobility)
- Our Strafe advantage was indirectly nerfed (with buffs to non-scout strafe speed)
[*] Our Tools of assassination were nerfed and broken (SG / NK detection remains unreliable)
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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:07:00 -
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8213 wrote:
1) So, you want CCP to take time to figure out how to utilize your roles better in a game that you only take up 1% of the population?
2) Get to the back of the line...
3) Shotty, quite frankly you're seen as some "Scout Hero"
4) ... you're just a guy that complains because he always wants more, because his neighbor has it...
1) Absolutely. CCP already knows what we need; they only need tweak our configs.
2) Already there.
3) We lost our Heroes after the first Uprising respec. New Heroes have emerged. I am not among them.
4) I am a heavily invested and deeply unsatisfied customer, offered promise yet to be delivered.
You asked to be "filled in on Scouts" ... your request has been answered. Don't be butthurt that you don't like what you've learned. We are better than you, even after severe nerf and sustained disadvantage.
You are afraid. And rightly so. |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:25:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:I am starting to think we have all been taken for some epic trolling here. No one can be as stupid or as blind as the OP while deliberately ignoring the evidence presented which clearly states the point that Scouts need dire attention. The OP's points of view change from poster to poster and he has no solid footing or evidence to back up his claims besides his own bias.
If this isn't an epic trolling attempt i'm going to say it is one of the biggest cases of butt hurt I have seen in a while.
Doubtful, sadly. And representative of many AR-514.
Content with imbalance, if and only if it works in his favor.
Eager to defend and perpetuate his undue advantage.
Unable to comprehend facts which threaten his entitlement.
Liberated from reason and incapable of debate.
Well aware that he moves among superior opponent.
Overcome by emotion and fearful of a balanced Scout. |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:57:00 -
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8213 wrote:you chose Scout and stuck with it.
Would this thread even exist if you had been killed by a non-Scout?
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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.21 00:55:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116532&find=unread
OP (8213) says he's quitting Dust. |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:59:00 -
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8213 wrote:You stopped arguing points and started attacking me.
Possibly guilty on this count, and if so, would offer sincere apology.
In the dozens of "Scouts are Fine" threads predating yours, a non-Scout ran a Dragonfly for a few matches, did moderately well, and concluded that we all must be fussing about nothing. The tourists, presumably trolling, proceed to offered "tips" on how to do it right.
The tourists weren't around for the initial and subsequent Uprising Scout nerfs.
The tourists are OK dying in a half-second because they haven't been insta-killed at 100m.
The tourists haven't experienced the frustration following repeated, failed flank attacks.
The tourists haven't invested the requisite SP to realize that Scouts don't scale like other classes.
The tourists haven't witnessed firsthand the extent of imbalance observed by Scouts in PC.
When I stumbled upon your thread, I expected more of the same ...
Angered at having been killed by a Scout, another AR-514 jumps on the "protect my upperhand" bandwagon. Offers up an ill-thought and ill-intended post to do his part in keeping the Scout imbalance permanent.
The "killing is a secondary function for scouts" comment affirmed my suspicions, and I attacked your positions (possibly you) in defense of the efforts we've made to date and all things good and righteous :-).
Turns out I falsely assumed that you -- like those before you -- had no interest in debating the facts. Your coherent arguments have proven me mistaken. I disagree with your opinions and observations, but I admit my error and offer apology for false assumption.
- Shotty GoBang |
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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.23 15:09:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:
Your ability to be effective in PC sounds like a personal problem... hmmm...hmm
Its ReGnYuM!
How's that Scout video coming, Champ?
Will it be awesome like: AR-514 learns to Shotgun?
Teach me how to do it right!
Do you have lots of tips for us?
+1 from me to you for the laughs. |
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