Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sh*t out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at.

Some Scouts just haven't wised up to how unreliable CCP is. They said we'd get a change in the suit a few months ago, during 1.2, and they haven't realized CCP won't deliver.

This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications.

I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc...

I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought?

Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sh*t out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at.

I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function.


So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance.

I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example:

The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time.
I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended.

Then I really have to ask, why are you using Scouts at all then? Why are you purposely gimping yourself?

I was pointing out the name of the two different suits, that have 2 different roles. Assaults are made to kill, and not a whole lot more, they are made to be on the front lines.

Scouts aren't made to do that. They are made to be behind the enemy lines, doing scout things. Sneaky things. Ambush tactics.

Assaults assault. Scouts scout.

I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example:

The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time.
I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended.

Scouts can't scout if they have the same base scan radius of every other suit. Boost it to 20, and I'm a content Scout.

This forum has a few themes right now: Nerf the AR, Patch want/needs, and Scout suit modifications.

I see that people who are using Scouts are not happy with what little they have to work with. They want more equipment slots, or more CPU, and more speed, etc...

I thought the purpose of light frames was to be stripped down suits that purposely can perform LESS simultaneous functions on the battlefield. They are like the opposites of Logi or Heavies I thought?

Scouts have speed and stealth, which means they run around the back of the enemy and plant Uplinks to ambush the enemy, sneak to an objective and begin hacking it, scan the holy sh*t out of everything, and maybe get a few kills then run for cover again. Or, they actually scout the enemy and use a mic to tell their team where they are at.

I know some people use them for shotguns, because you need every advantage you can get with those broken guns, and the fact that hitboxes sway terribly in this game makes Scouts very effective when they are dancing all around you. Bullets shoot right through them like they are ghosts; but they die instantly if they are 10 metes away from you... I can't tell you how many times I catch a Scout in the open, in the thick of the battlefield running head on right at me, and all I can think is "really dude, props for trying, but you're dead... NOW" I shoot, they die. sometimes I even have o back up 5 steps. This is an example of a scout playing foolishly to there equipment function.


So, Why are Scout users asking for more, when their frames are specifically made to do less? This doesn't mean they aren't effective, they just have different roles. Sure, Heavies would like to have equipment slots so they can stand on Triages, Logis would like sidearms AND more slots, mediums would like to have Scout speed without sacrificing health and stealth themselves. I personally would like more to my Caldari Medium frames(and yes I use the SCR w/ Caldari because I'm stubborn) but that's all in the name of balance.

I never used an actual Scout frame before; only Basic Light. I do fine with them of what can be expected. I hack more objectives, and I get more support WP. In fact, I'll leave with this example:

The only time I ever played General John Ripper and Levi Thunder our team was destined to get stomped. I was having a terrible day with connections, so I was only using free fits that day. One of them was The Gallente Hunter Fit, a stealth(ish) Light frame. As expected, my team was getting destroyed in a hurry, we went down by 15 clones in the first 2 minutes. So, I put on my light frame, and ran all the way around the map, and climbed up a wall and planted Uplinks right behind them. So ever death from there on, they got ambushed. I then ran all the way around them again and did it to them a 2nd, and 3rd time.
I finished 2/4 but had 1200+ in Uplinks because I placed them in detrimental positions for the enemy. I called in my HAV (and actually left it there for my team to drive) and before you know it, we won the match. All thanks to ME! All thanks to using a Light Suit as intended.

Because killing is a secondary function for a Scout?

If killing is intended to be a secondary Scout function ...
1) CCP should make every effort to remove "assassination" references from their Scout descriptions.
2) CCP should budget to lose *250 dedicated players who've been waiting patiently for promised "Dev Hugs".
3) AR-514 should pat itself on the back for forever ridding itself of a game with depth and a skilled opponent.

If infiltration and recon are to be the Scout's primary functions ...
1) Make the Active Scanner Scout-only equipment and undo the nerf to our base scan range.
2) Undo the nerfs to our speed and stamina, and make us more capable at evasion.
3) Undo the nerfs to our EQ and slot configs so we can perform our AR-514-prescribed role better than a Logi.

* 250 ... yep, that's all of us. Wonder why there aren't more Scouts?

Nova knifing mediums

Look bud, every suit gives up something to get something. Heavies are tanked but slow. Scouts are slight but fast. Medium Suits are in the middle - at least in theory. Don't get it confused. Some of the best players on Dust are scouts - but it's not because of some advantge conferred on them by their suits. They're just REALLY good players. It makes no sense to me that a medium suit can have 5x my eHP but can run almost as fast as I can. scouts have no real advantage. you want to talk about scanning? Sure - we start out at the same 10m that everyone else does, but to get it higher we have to give up low slots, which you guessed it, we need for speed. I'm sick of people who don't play the role saying "scouts can have a scan radius of 99m" when it is so clear that the only way to get that is first to be proto gallente with scan skills maxxed out and second to give up ALL 4 low slots ---- no room for speed, which defeats the entire purpose of the suit. Basically, people need to shut up. The way the AR is right now, it's impossible to play as a scout.


People keep saying "Stealth Stealth Stealth", - well num nuts, I would be stealthy but there is no mechanism for stealth in this game. Nobody relies on their passive scanning because it's only 10 m. The only way I can sneak up on someone is if I'm lucky and they don't turn around and AR ****

And lastly, just because you had one decent game as a scout doesn't give you cause to come on here and do the whole "well I'm awesome even with a scout suit" humble brag. keep playing as a scout. Nothing you put up there couldn't have been done by another suit (looking at you medium suits). You were just lucky you weren't facing direct combat from formidable foes because they would - I repeat - WOULD have stomped you. Also, you called in a HAV - just because you were in a light suit does not mean you were scouting.

Unofficial Scout Leader Right There. +1

Look bud, every suit gives up something to get something. Heavies are tanked but slow. Scouts are slight but fast. Medium Suits are in the middle - at least in theory. Don't get it confused. Some of the best players on Dust are scouts - but it's not because of some advantge conferred on them by their suits. They're just REALLY good players. It makes no sense to me that a medium suit can have 5x my eHP but can run almost as fast as I can. scouts have no real advantage. you want to talk about scanning? Sure - we start out at the same 10m that everyone else does, but to get it higher we have to give up low slots, which you guessed it, we need for speed. I'm sick of people who don't play the role saying "scouts can have a scan radius of 99m" when it is so clear that the only way to get that is first to be proto gallente with scan skills maxxed out and second to give up ALL 4 low slots ---- no room for speed, which defeats the entire purpose of the suit. Basically, people need to shut up. The way the AR is right now, it's impossible to play as a scout.


People keep saying "Stealth Stealth Stealth", - well num nuts, I would be stealthy but there is no mechanism for stealth in this game. Nobody relies on their passive scanning because it's only 10 m. The only way I can sneak up on someone is if I'm lucky and they don't turn around and AR ****

And lastly, just because you had one decent game as a scout doesn't give you cause to come on here and do the whole "well I'm awesome even with a scout suit" humble brag. keep playing as a scout. Nothing you put up there couldn't have been done by another suit (looking at you medium suits). You were just lucky you weren't facing direct combat from formidable foes because they would - I repeat - WOULD have stomped you. Also, you called in a HAV - just because you were in a light suit does not mean you were scouting.

Has anyone EVER played TF2? Jesus Christ dont tell us what we're supposed to do. Do your own **** and let us do ours, just stfu already.

TF2 Scout and Heavy would destroy Dust 514 Scouts and Heavies...

SOme of you ******* still don't get it? Okay, I'll try and make this real simple:

1: THe modules made for us is too hard to fit.

2: speed can be matched by a medium, and with more eHP

3: scanning abilities can be matched by a medium, and again with more eHP, and half of the time, better firepower

4: Scouts have hardly any EWAR, and the EWAR that exists, which is scanners, the frames that should (imo) be benefited by it the most, Gallente Scouts (since Gallente are all about dem' scanners), aren't at all, and Logi suits are more, which is by the way a medium suit.

5: When the rest of the EWAR does finally come out, if nothing changes, like I said, Logi's will be benefited by them more because of the skill bonuses.

All of this points to using Logi's and assaults more than the Scouts, because they can do everything the Scouts can better. That's why we ask for better base stats.

The reason scouts want a buff is because medium suits do the "scout" job better than scouts.. I mean if that's not enough to warrant a buff I don't know what is lol.

If the smg did the AR job better as in more range more dmg more everything.... Wouldn't you want the AR to be buffed? Or smg Nerfed?

Really? Because I just got out of a game against you, where your Scout walked right through my HMG and killed me from 3m away. You had 400 armor, and you were fast as hell(2x faster than your medium counter parts), and had plenty of killing power obviously...
Seems a whole heck of a lot more than any Medium Frame can do in this game...

Your argument is bullsh*t and void.

No you're just bad at the game. Sure I went 35-2 but that's because my squad had a scanner so I knew where everyone was at.

My scout had 98 shield 404 armor with a 7.5 sprint speed... 500 total hp is NOTHING compared to what an assault or logi can get.

Hell my corp mate runs 500 shield alone with a proto shotgun AND is faster than me. He runs proto cal assault. Trust me bro.. If I went assault shotgun instead of scout shotgun.... I would be doing sooo much better.

How is you able to survive a full frontal HMG blasting you; me being bad at the game? I lit you up, and could barely even see you through my hitmarkers. But you were able to survive long enough to blast through 1200 HP....

dude sorry, the evidence doesn't lie. You're argument of saying Scouts can just be dublicated by Medium Frames is void.
Because if that was the case, then why were you using a Scout in the first place? Why does anyone use a Scout?
So far, I've never heard an actual reason/ Apparently Scouts just like to purposely gimp themselves in this game, then complain about not having enough.

The reason we run scout is for the speed tank. Back when uprising just came out, speed tanking was a beauty with scouts.

Unfortunately now with AA and who knows what else, it's made speed tanking completely useless. Now it's all about hp tank.

Let me ask you. Does a 500 armor scout even count as a scout? Because that's the best fit so far for scouts. Straight up hp is the best for SCOUTS. Is that ok?

Just better stats will just reinforce the "Assault Lite" thing that we have. What they need is something that only scouts can do, perhaps cloaks eventually.

Until we have something like cloaks, this should do:

Minmatar Scout:
Scan Profile Buff (~25 db base)
RE radius bonus (+5% per level)

Gallente Scout:
Passive Scan Radius Buff (~35m base)
Active Scanner precision bonus(+5% per level)

Yes, it's fine.
You still get your Scout Bonuses, and you still have speed without having to use Kin-Cats. I was watched you that game, and you were faster than everyone else by far. I'm sorry, but saying a medium can do that is simply a lie. A medium nneds to use a slot for a Kin-Cat, you don't. And you get a much smaller hit box.

Chormosone hasn't been around for looooong while, and Uprising has been here for half a year... you say Scouts suck now, but still use them, and perform well in them? Doesn't answer WHY you're using this supposed gimped setup now. You told me why you used them back then, but why are you gimping yourself now?

According to you, if you had a Medium Frame you would have done even better playing that same style. You would have been magically faster, had more HP, and more power.... thanks for gimping yourself on purpose, buddy ole pal.

If AA was a factor than my HMG should have leveled you as intended... oh wait, if the it works in your favor its you being a beast and the other sucking, but if it doesn't work in your favor then the game needs to be fixed, right? Because you should never die? Do your deaths not count?

Sorry, none of your reasons have any merit. You struck out 3x in this thread. Some people actually posted reasonable things that they wanted. They didn't come up with the coded "I want more, I'm selfish, I shouldn't die ever in this game because my ego thinks I'm to good for it" gibberish that you have.

Using DJINN Marauder as the bar for the majority of Scouts is stupid. He is the equivalent of the Scout 1%. Last time I checked he was the #1 ranked Scout on the killboard. The majority of us don't do nearly as well as he does on the battlefield. He is right also. Medium suits are better suited to "scout" roles at this point in time.

Yes, it's fine.
You still get your Scout Bonuses, and you still have speed without having to use Kin-Cats. I was watched you that game, and you were faster than everyone else by far. I'm sorry, but saying a medium can do that is simply a lie. A medium nneds to use a slot for a Kin-Cat, you don't. And you get a much smaller hit box.

Chormosone hasn't been around for looooong while, and Uprising has been here for half a year... you say Scouts suck now, but still use them, and perform well in them? Doesn't answer WHY you're using this supposed gimped setup now. You told me why you used them back then, but why are you gimping yourself now?

According to you, if you had a Medium Frame you would have done even better playing that same style. You would have been magically faster, had more HP, and more power.... thanks for gimping yourself on purpose, buddy ole pal.

If AA was a factor than my HMG should have leveled you as intended... oh wait, if the it works in your favor its you being a beast and the other sucking, but if it doesn't work in your favor then the game needs to be fixed, right? Because you should never die? Do your deaths not count?

Sorry, none of your reasons have any merit. You struck out 3x in this thread. Some people actually posted reasonable things that they wanted. They didn't come up with the coded "I want more, I'm selfish, I shouldn't die ever in this game because my ego thinks I'm to good for it" gibberish that you have.

Wow, so not only is he considered one of the elite players in the game as it is, he's the most elite On Shotty GoBang's board... so that makes him the best DUST 514 player playing today, right?
So, the best DUST 514 player happens to run Scout, for no apparent reason than to give the rest of us noobs a chance at the game. What a swell guy he is.

What swell people ALL Scouts are... still, can anyone tell me WHY Scouts are being used if they need so much work?

I shot shot a Caldari scout today with a charged SCR shot, he still was able to survive, and dance around me and nail me dead with his Shotgun. Radar from Outer.Heaven I believe it was. What do you suppose is harder? Him jumoing around me spamming a shotgun, or me landing a Charged SCR shot on him? Did the game reward me for my superior skill? Nope, because his fragile Scout suit was able to survive it.

Simple as this. If mediums can do the job of a Scout better, than nobody would be using a Scout...

I ain't gonna lie. You sound more butt hurt about being shotgunned to death than anything. Also, hardly anyone uses Scouts. From what I read there are only about 250 of us I think that use the suit on a regular basis? There are how many Medium Suit users? Thousands at the very least. Your entire argument is invalid as logical fallacy anyway. Causation does not imply correlation. Meaning that just because you died to a superior player who is more skilled than you and just happened to be playing as a Scout doesn't mean the suit is fine and doesn't need a buff.