Gallente:
good - Democracy, individual liberty
bad - corruption, excessively capitalistic society defined by corporate-vs-individual conflict

Caldari:
good - orderly (low corruption), focused on technological progress and industry
bad - inflexible, run by a totalitarian state, no value on human life whatsoever

Amarr:
good - pioneers of technology, most stable and 'safe' of all the empires
bad - slavery, class structure based on birth, expansion-obsessed

Minmatae:
good - tough, polycultural, generally the sneakiest of the empires in warfare
bad - caste system based on arbitrary factors, excessively violent, hold grudges against people that haven't committed any offense and frequently murder them for it, often incapable of rational action due to adherence to traditions based on 'hit cow with rock'-level society.

Look how long the "bad" is for Minmatar.

See...I told you!

,,, incapable of rational action due to adherence to traditions based on 'hit cow with rock'-level society.

Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst.

After reading the 'gonzalez' trilogy the amarr seem to be the most corrupt and power hungry of the 4 races often using slaves for experiments and pursuing power and wealth at all costs much comparable to the spanish removing incan artifacts for the gold
I chose gallente on EVE because my graphics card was pretty awful and performance lag of my pc pretty much made the decision for me lol

As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.

They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.


With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners.

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire.

Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well!

Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well!

They can be from a perspective. If the Gal schools are not teaching critical thinking and openness and acceptance of beliefs and ideas, teaching only one approach or ideology then yes. In essence, without freedom of choice and the ability to dissent then oppression is part of the process. The Federation has cultural variability, and diversity in beliefs so it indicates less oppression than say the Amarr one doctrine one truth method of "education"

Edit> Was assimilation ever considered oppressive? I suppose the oppressor rarely see's at such.

Don't go thinking that the Gallente are all sweetness and light, check out this story on EVElopedia

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle)

lol link goes to a blank page
Though I must say not a big fan of the Gal either, really on a personal level none of the factions really appeal to me.

Link goes to blank page because (Chronicle) doesn't get included in the hyperlink for whatever reason.

Burning Life isn't written by Tony.

A quick real life comparison of the 4.

Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans.

Caldari: WWII Germany*, imperial Japan, corporate America.

Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic.

Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa.



*filters the natsee word

Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst.

Amarr are religious loonies. That's worse than being evil alone (they are evil as well though).

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

Which is why i said the Gonzales trilogy (Ruthless, Empyrean Age and Templar One) and not 'The gonzales trilogy and the other one which wasn't that great'

Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all.

Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all.

We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could.

especially since they use a constantly mutating rna virus to keep them complacent.

And you wish to call us, who wish only the best of intentions, the unity of mankind, and the formations of One galaxy spanning people are evil.

Ha you should look around New Eden.

We are the only things holding back half the Sani Sabik Cults from Empire space.

Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love.

Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr.

Killing?

Collar?

What are you people talking about?

As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many.

Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery.

Killing?

Collar?

What are you people talking about?

As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many.

Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery.

But manage to allow a cult of crazed cyborgs in empire systems lol

Killing?

Collar?

What are you people talking about?

As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many.

Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery.

Our minmatar culture is rich and diverse, but sadly the Amarrian lies and indoctrination have ruined you. I pity you, but you also strengthen me. Because it is these lies and indoctrinations I fight so hard against. The Amarr seek to control the cluster as they now control you. But I will do all that I can to stand in their way. Never forget the day of darkness.

They use advanced wormhole tech to breach systems, currently no empire can match the sanshas nation for their power and their capacity to strike where and when they wish. Neither can the Gallente, MInmatar, or Caldari stop them.

For some reason today, I woke up and wanted to brush up on some eve lore. I found this thread -http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1492890 where eve players were discussing the 4 races. This just makes me glad I'm Caldari ^^

This sums it up a bit

When the Golden Ships came I voluntarily boarded them, escaping Siebestor tribesmen who wished my Tribe, the Vhrekior harm for the belief that my uncle a emancipated Matari preacher was spying for the Amarr. Since then I have not been mistreated or harmed.

I put my money on Jove (whatever their status is currently)

I would go with Sanshas Nation. Maybe the Blood Raiders.

I think the Jove went the way of the Asgard, sure there is something about it in one of the books we've mentioned previously.
but then no one really knows for sure.

But i guess the Amarr did do one thing right, reverse engineered the implant to allow for us mercs oh and Jamyl Sarum is pretty hot, but don't let minmatar wife see this....

Don't go thinking that the Gallente are all sweetness and light, check out the Two Deaths chronicle on EVElopedia

So aside from being a coward you also betrayed your tribe.
Nevermind what I said, clearly you were meant to be born an Amarr.

Betrayed the Matari? No.

I followed the examples of our brothers and sisters the Ammatar.

The only reason you view the amarr as evil is because you see "slavery" and immediately assume "mistreating" "harsh" "disrespect" and harmful acts upon those lines.

This is not true. We of the amarr respect our slaves. We don't mistreat them but rather enlighten them. We give them housing, education, health, work. So that they may live a truly righteous life. For freedom gained through hard work is more meaningful than meaningless freedom gained through nothing.

Betrayed the Matari? No.

I followed the examples of our brothers and sisters the Ammatar.

Didn't know the Reclaimed were allowed to speak with those outside the Empire.

The only reason you view the amarr as evil is because you see "slavery" and immediately assume "mistreating" "harsh" "disrespect" and harmful acts upon those lines.

This is not true. We of the amarr respect our slaves. We don't mistreat them but rather enlighten them. We give them housing, education, health, work. So that they may live a truly righteous life. For freedom gained through hard work is more meaningful than meaningless freedom gained through nothing.

You mean the Nefantar right?

If by enlighten, you mean indoctrinate.
You know where else we had housing, education, health, and work? In the beautiful peaceful land of Matar. Until the Amarr came that is.

But you're right about freedom gained through hard work. And we Matari will work hard to free all our brothers and sisters who have been enslaved.
Down with the Amarr.

They are the Ammatar now.

You know nothing "False" Prophet

The Jove are still alive and in physical space... They are just extreme isolationists. Most of their race is in suspended animation though. Honestly, if it wasn't for the Jovian Disease, they could wipe out all 4 factions. The main priority for the Jove is finding a cure for their disease, not starting wars or expanding their space.

No. YOU know nothing, Jon Snow.

Or should I say, Fake Admanananance.
For I have seen the truth. I have spoken to it. The Rust has shown the way.

I don't know that many nationalistic societies will be able to avoid finding severe ways to punish treason. Let's say you avoid treasonous behavior -- is Gallente society sweetness and light then?

If by enlighten, you mean indoctrinate.
You know where else we had housing, education, health, and work? In the beautiful peaceful land of Matar. Until the Amarr came that is.

But you're right about freedom gained through hard work. And we Matari will work hard to free all our brothers and sisters who have been enslaved.
Down with the Amarr.

Basically, Gallente and Caldari were friends, until Gallente started being a bad friend, and Caldari wanted out of the relationship. Gallente then bullied Caldari for not being their friend, until big strong Amarr showed up and scared Gallente, who whispered lies into the ears of Amarr's friend Matari, and turned them against one another. The Gallente are the truly evil ones IMHO.

No not really. The Federation is filled with drugs, crime, and racism.
They also attacked the Caldari for seceding for ~100 years. The only reason they stopped attacking the Caldari, was because the Amarr made contact with the Gallente. You see, the Caldari wanted peace, and the Gallente knew they couldn't fight a war on two fronts, so they made peace with the Caldari and turned the Matari against the Amarr to weaken them, because they knew they also couldn't take on the Amarr by them selves.

Basically, Gallente and Caldari were friends, until Gallente started being a bad friend, and Caldari wanted out of the relationship. Gallente then bullied Caldari for not being their friend, until big strong Amarr showed up and scared Gallente, who whispered lies into the ears of Amarr's friend Matari, and turned them against one another. The Gallente are the truly evil ones IMHO.

Heretic

This is exactly what I've been telling everyone! The Gallente are my most disliked faction because they are the great manipulators and starter of wars. Had the Gallente just accepted that the Caldari wished to part from the Federation, then Caldari State would have lived in peace with no war and the Minmatar would of never turned on the Amarr, who both would of also continued to live on in peace. But no, the Gallente can't handle losing such a large nation from their Federation so start war with them, then use the Minmatar as tools when things start to look grim.

Amarrians, without a doubt! Why?

Because they are religious fundamentalists who believe planets are flat. And yes, that's despite them flying around and actually seeing ROUND planets. They are that fanatically stupid.

They are also going way over the top with all that gold, it's blinding other races.

Slavery...'nough said.

Incorrect, many of the Minmatar home worlds lacked vital infrastructure such as an adequate amount of schools and sanitary hospitals before the Amarr helped them out.

+1

This is exactly what I've been telling everyone! The Gallente are my most disliked faction because they are the great manipulators and starter of wars. Had the Gallente just accepted that the Caldari wished to part from the Federation, then Caldari State would have lived in peace with no war and the Minmatar would of never turned on the Amarr, who both would of also continued to live on in peace. But no, the Gallente can't handle losing such a large nation from their Federation so start war with them, then use the Minmatar as tools when things start to look grim.

Or so your amarrian indoctrination would lead you to believe?
You think you helped out by destroying what we had and making us slaves?
No. We were fine as we were. We never asked for your "help", nor did we want it. Nor was it helpful in the slightest.

Again, still talking about history.

The Earth had countries that started wars with others and then were able to be accepted back into the world community. I don't think starting a war counts as truly evil.

That is reserved for those that impose ideology or lack of freedom on others.

The Gallente did not manipulate us. They gave us an opportunity to earn back our freedom and we did. The Amarr are the great evil. Never forget the day of darkness.

The Gallente did not manipulate us. They gave us an opportunity to earn back our freedom and we did. The Amarr are the great evil. Never forget the day of darkness.

You'd like this chronicle,
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Man_of_Values_and_Faith_(Chronicle)
Because no matter how much good the Amarr do for the Minmatar, surely we must be the evil oppressors that is ingrained so deeply in your beliefs.

"My manipulator did not manipulate me!"

Surely you must realize how silly that sounds! If you are going to make such claims, you are going to need references and/or sources.

Nerd.

Ummm, yes. Keep believing that the Failentte are your friends.

How well did that 'republic' they set up for you work?
The one that supplanted your heritages and tried to homogenize you into a single national people?

Oh....thats right...it failed. Miserably.

At least you guys are tribally represented in a pseudo-republic now. : /

Do you not realize that the Gallente Federation also imposes it's ideology on others? The Caldari culture is focused around everyone serving eachother, working for the greater good of the whole and not the individual. This is in stark contrast to the Gallente who believe in individual values instead. Now there was nothing wrong with either civilization, both were plenty happy with their lives, but the Gallente decided to try and end that culture of the Caldari State and that's part of why tensions rose between the two in the first place.

Fool, you are describing the path... yesterday is not today.

Slavery and ideology are alive and well in your society while the Caldari are no longer "under the boot" of the Gallente by any stretch of the imagination.

First Prophet, the Amarr don't believe the Minmatar are scum at all! We are freeing many Minmatar into the Amarr Empire every day and welcome them with wide arms! It is the traitors who make it their mission to destroy our society that has us up in arms. You won't simply accept your freedom and live in peace.

Also your statement sounded silly because of how forced you made it. The Amarr are the real friends of the Minmatar, just look at all we've done for you. Now look at the Gallente Federation, where there are countless reports of discrimination against your people, even one Gallentean who open fired on a Minmatar festival killing 59 Matari, or a Minmatar student who was attacked by three Gallenteans because of his race and then sentenced to prison for defending himself.

You do know that as of this very moment, the Caldari are still officially members of the Gallente Federation?

The term "Minmatar Scum" as used by the more aggressive sects of Amarrian loyalists actually refers to the renegade agent of corporations supporting the separatist agenda. The common Matari people who do not fight are the people we would welcome with open arms.

Officially? Hahahaha. They are repressed how?

I further the question, how are current Minmatar "slaves" repressed?

Hahahaha. Willing slaves are welcome! Great marketing slogan.

First Prophet, the Amarr don't believe the Minmatar are scum at all! We are freeing many Minmatar into the Amarr Empire every day and welcome them with wide arms!

Also your statement sounded silly because of how forced you made it. The Amarr are the real friends of the Minmatar, just look at all we've done for you. .

The term "Minmatar Scum" as used by the more aggressive sects of Amarrian loyalists actually refers to the renegade agent of corporations supporting the separatist agenda. The common Matari people who do not fight are the people we would welcome with open arms.

Being "freed" into the Amarr Empire is the same as being a slave. You are still forced to serve the Amarr and that celestial sham you call a religion. Free your slaves to the Republic. That Is the only true freedom for us Minmatar, and it is one we gladly accept. What we do not accept is your false freedom.

Let's see what the Amarr have done for us. They invaded our planet, destroyed our defenses, nearly wiped out the Starkmanir, kidnapped us, enslaved us, forced vitoc on us, forced their religious lies us, nearly made us lose our heritage and culture, and killed those who did not accept the religious lies.

You sure did do a lot of great things for us.

If the Matari joined the Empire willingly they might not even be enslaved. I am loyal to the Empire and wasn't enslaved.

Yes. We matari who would fight for our freedom and independence are scum to you. My point exactly. The only people you welcome are those who are willing to be slaves.

All slaves are free to return to their homes if they so wish, many return as missionaries to their own people.

False freedom is what you have under the Gallentean boot, pressed down on you broken backs.

Be not obstinate in you dealings with us and you would suffer not, all your supposed sufferings are of your own making

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

There is no point trying to convince people who have no intention of listening, or arriving at a logical conclusion.

The Amarr are in fact oppressors. Just accept it.

The Amarr are in fact oppressors. Just accept it.

((out of character, why not just accept that things aren't as black and white as you originally thought?))

I could say the Minmatar are a dozen things, neither what I say, nor how I say it makes it true.

((out of character, why not just accept that things aren't as black and white as you originally thought?))

I super easily accept those kinds of things.
I never said the Amarr didn't have its benefits. I'm just saying that they're oppressors. Which they ARE. They also do have their benefits. I ACCEPT THAT. i ADMIT IT.

BUT FOR SOME REASON YOU AND TRUE JUST WON'T ACCEPT THAT THE AMARR ARE OPPRESSIVE. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

I do not believe that as an Amarrian I am doing anything wrong by aiding the Minmatar in becoming closer to God.

I don't find it oppressive because I look at what Amarr slavery has brought to other races like the Khanid and Ni-Kunni, as well as what it's brought to loyal Minmatar, and it's been nothing but vastly improved standard of living. I mean, I'm sorry if I don't find that oppressing.

From my perspective, the only thing people find oppressive about it is they see the word "slavery" and equate it to 17th/18th century slavery on Earth where it was entirely taking advantage of other races for labor and mistreating them and so on, which is not at all the case in Amarr slavery. I have yet to hear an argument that gives any good support, with references and sources, that goes against this claim.

Fool. Oppression is not about lifestyle... it is about choice. Taking away other's choices is oppression.

I personally don't see the standard of living improvement you keep talking about. At least not in the Minmatar.

And I don't see how kidnapping someone from their planet, or killing someone for not accepting your God is NOT cruel, unjust, or burdensome? What do you guys do to slaves who don't want to follow orders? You either kill them or stick 'em with Vitoc. I know you read about Vitoc. How is that not oppressive?

How would you, you do not have access to the Mandate, you don't not have access to any amarrian works towards development of Matari culture, you are a merc with no concept of how anything outside your own empire works.

I was saying that out of character.
I haven't found anything in Evelopedia that would suggest the living improvement is all that great. Or any of the things you listed.

I was saying that out of character.
I haven't found anything in Evelopedia that would suggest the living improvement is all that great. Or any of the things you listed.

We linked you to some chronicles awhile back, guess you must of ignored them.

I'll face you and your traitorous kind in battle.

You linked me to one about the Anmatar mandate. Which I did read. But that was only about the Mandate. It didn't say anything about Matar.

And I like how both of you skipped this part:

And I don't see how kidnapping someone from their planet, or killing someone for not accepting your God is NOT cruel, unjust, or burdensome? What do you guys do to slaves who don't want to follow orders? You either kill them or stick 'em with Vitoc. I know you read about Vitoc. How is that not oppressive?


:p

I also like how you skipped the part where I posted multiple links to the Gallente discriminating against you and showing strong remarks of racism against the Matar.

And look, as for vitoc, that is a great example of a flaw with the Amarr. I will be the first to admit that that's just not right. But all the races have equally disturbing flaws. Still, Vitoc usage isn't very widespread at all, and is really only seen onboard spacecrafts where the crew needs orderly cooperation of all individuals. Again, not saying that that makes it right, but it is not a method used by the large majority of slave holders.

Pretty sure it's also used on mining colonies.

But still, my point being that the amarr are oppressive. Not saying the other races don't have their oppressive sides. I'm just saying that reading you guys try to argue that the Amarr are not AT ALL oppressive despite:

And I don't see how kidnapping someone from their planet, or killing someone for not accepting your God is NOT cruel, unjust, or burdensome? What do you guys do to slaves who don't want to follow orders? You either kill them or stick 'em with Vitoc. I know you read about Vitoc. How is that not oppressive?

Hurts my head a little.

I think certain individuals within the Amarr Empire could be seen as oppressive, just as certain individuals within any of the other three races can be seen as oppressive. I do not however think it is fair to take the actions of a few to judge the condition of the whole.

[quote=Aero Yassavi]
What? It wasn't just a few who decided to invade Matar. The Empire as a whole decided that.

Just as the Federation as a whole decided to invade Caldari? Why are you putting this much effort into arguing that case then?

Look, the Amarr Empire expanded it's reach just as the Federation has. We assimilate those we find and bring up their living conditions just as the Federation has. So why is one some monstrous oppressor, while the other is your "best friend?"

Gallente are the evil ones obviously, stealing peoples homelands, persecuting those they claim are allies
Isnt it obvious?

Personally I find the Gallente to be the ultimate deceiver. You can sit there and look at their lore and all the horrible things they have done, yet they somehow maintain the public image of the heroes of New Eden and champions of freedom.

Indeed, and while the Amarr have done things I do not agree with they are at least upfront about their intentions

Just as the Federation as a whole decided to invade Caldari? Why aren't you putting this much effort into arguing that case then?

Look, the Amarr Empire expanded it's reach just as the Federation has. We assimilate those we find and bring up their living conditions just as the Federation has. So why is one some monstrous oppressor, while the other is your "best friend?"

Why aren't you putting this much effort into arguing that case then?

But I'll deny that upfront nature to your face with all my religious pontificating!

I don't agrue that case because that's between the Gallente and the Caldari. Caldari RPers can argue it. My character is more focused on Minmatar issues. Which while the Gallente might eventually be an issue, for the moment they're more focus on the Caldari, and the Amarr and the more pressing problem.

But they're our friends friends because the Gallente didn't take us from our home. They never enslaved us. (And yes, I'll admit Amarr slavery is better than real world slavery. It's still a negative thing though.) They never made us worship their God. They didn't use Vitoc on us, they didn't attack our planet, and they helped us break free. Keep in mind before you agree the breaking us free part, it was something we wanted.

But also keep in mind my earlier "Amarr are monsterous" talk is just role play stuff i say as a fierce matari freedom fighter.
Also, for the meantime, the Gallente are more focused on the Caldari.

There does not seem to be as much info about the Caldari out there, or I am not looking in the right places. Perhaps more under corporations?

Read your whole post, but that part right there stuck out.

Again, most Minmatar stayed on their home worlds when encountered by the Amarr, and the Amarr helped them build up their planets. Meanwhile, after breaking free and forming the Minmatar Republic, a majority of Minmatar actually reside on Federation planets, after the Gallente promised you all these things they couldn't deliver.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Modern_Era_of_the_Gallente_Federation
"Despite the promise of the Minmatar Republic, many of its new citizens had doubts. To the average Minmatar, the Federation was a land of milk and honey, a promised place where freedom and happiness reigned. When the common inhabitant of Matar looked around, however, they saw poverty, malnourishment, and social dissolution."

I'll be needing a reference for building up the planets. Because I DOUBT THAT SUPER HARD. Not that it makes a big deal. Losing your freedom on your home is only slightly better than being kidnapped off it.

The majority live in the Republic. But the number of Matari in Gallente areas is pretty close, I'll admit. I don't get why you keep bringing up the Gallente though. I get they're not great. I'M NOT GALLENTE. I'M MINMATAR. I've never said the Minmatar should join the federation. But for the time being, they're okay friends. We can deal with them after we've freed the rest of us from the Empire.

The issue of the MInmatar actually really has nothing to do with the Minmatar as the Amarr see it.....sort of. We consider you a people in revolt and already ours

Yeah. Its the trademark Amarr arrogance. :p

No its not arrogance its just how we look at things. During the first Reclaiming we had assumed you to be in the Empire, we saw you already as brothers and sisters.

Again not arrogance but I suppose some forward thinking on the part of the Amarr

The amarrian concept of slavery isn't the 18th/19th century concept that basically boils down to: heres some african prisoners of war lets sell them to europeans so they can be treated like cattle and subhumans.

Its more like the Roman notion of slavery, that represents the bottom rung of a complex caste system with little or no chance of upward mobility. The idea that servitude to a more sophisticated culture enlightens less advanced human beings.

Forward thinking from a bit of AmarroganceGäó

:p

Fixed that

which is ironic cause the greatest and most powerful empires through out history had slaves.

Th romens, the aztecs, even america at one point.

And neither the less this was transferred into Dust with the Amar being the first to relearn space flight and (used to) have the largest empire of the 4.

but honestly i don't think that one can truly be free. And me personally can care less about freedom as long as im happy.

signed a wannabe caldari.

Damn, I am so using that (if it is ok with you )

Damn, I am so using that (if it is ok with you )

Fixed that

Burning Life isn't written by Tony.

A quick real life comparison of the 4.

Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans.

Caldari: WWII Germany*, imperial Japan, corporate America.

Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic.

Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa.



*filters the natsee word

List of Evil Empires in Order of Evilness

1. Amarr Empire
2. The Legion of Doom

No bias at all, I promise

Someone add more evil things the list I'm too lazy to. :\

You should take the number one slot on the list of evilness for fabricating ones own words to pursue your own agenda!

That makes you the most evil.

All I do is make jokes. Lazily too. I'm chaotic neutral at worst.

Gallente Chaotic EVIL!

Neutral Good for the Amarr.

Lawful Evil for the Gravelords!

None.

All do what they believe to be right, and I believe that opinions of People shouldn't label one person as evil or good.

For that part, although others will disagree, I believe that ****** believed he was doing good for his society, and in his mind, he was good. And he did do a bit of good. Pulled Germany out of the deep depression they were having (From what I can recall, following WW1, the price of a single loaf of bread was over a million in whatever the germans used at the time), even if his "Behind the scenes" was evil and horrifying

While one may say what he did was evil, its all subjective to the person.

And no, I'm not saying ****** was a good guy. What he did was cruel and inhumane, and is unsanctionable.

I just realized something.

Godwin's Law. Dammit.

For some reason today, I woke up and wanted to brush up on some eve lore. I found this thread -http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1492890 where eve players were discussing the 4 races. This just makes me glad I'm Caldari ^^

This sums it up a bit

My thoughts on each race

Caldari:
Intriguingly, the hyper-capitalist government to an extent mimics current "communist" governments such as the late USSR and China. The State takes ownership of all property, service is placed above life, and corruption is rampant.
Also, the Caldari have the widest income gap, as evidenced by the large numbers of Homeless and the extreme wealth of the megacorp CEOs.
Socially, values of honor and tradition are closest to feudal Japan. Mentions of ritual suicide are common, bushido code is enforced on starships, and all members of the State are demanded absolute precision and maximum effort.
Militarily, State warriors are some of the best-regimented soldiers in the universe, and are often hired out as mercenaries to make a few extra ISK. As they are so well-regimented, their weakness lies in unique situations: do something they don't expect, and they won't have the independent thought to counter it with any haste.

Amarr:
Some writings on EVElopedia suggest that the Amarrians splintered off from real-world Catholicism sometime between the discovery of FTL and humanity's arrival to New Eden.
All government is under the control of an Empress, and when one dies another is chosen from a council of the most powerful families in the Empire. Amarrian politics and religion are one and the same within the Empire, and the Empress' word is both holy and the law.
Socially, slavery is encouraged. Status is often based on how many bodies you own, starships are often crewed by them, and obscene measures are taken to control billions of servants.
In military circles, one can never sway an Amarrian. Whether indoctrinated from birth or rendered mindless as a slave, an Amarrian soldier will always have one cause in mind: Glory to the Empress! However, this may make them too stubborn to see an obvious ambush or trap waiting for them...

Gallente:
A constitutional republic, the Gallente Federation promises the ability to go anywhere in life, provided that you can convince the people to back you up.
The Federation government is similar to 21st Century republics like the USA, with separation of powers and an elected President. Unfortunately, term limits do not seem to exist for Gallentean offices, so behind-doors corruption can be very impactful.
Much like modern society, the Gallente likely have a celebrity obsession. Most entertainment in New Eden comes from a Gallente studio, and the ever-popular AURA AI program is based on a Gallente model. Other than that, culture is likely a mosaic of immigrants from other races and independent city-states from the fringes of the cluster.
Military in the Gallente is all about the strength of the team, and no man is left behind. Although this makes for one of the strongest direct-assault armed forces available, guerrilla warfare and division tactics can easily weaken a Gallente advance.

Minmatar:
Former slaves who revolted against the Amarr, Matari have since formed a tribe-based republic promising freedom for their brothers in chains.
Government is led by a council of the largest Tribes, and decisions made by Council vote are final. Tribal ties are almost impossible to corrupt, but this also means that the tribes' emotions can often overwhelm logic. Hence, Matari will often retaliate against any who wrong them, and law enforcement here is one of the harshest in New Eden.
Socially, if you're not in a Tribe, you're not Matari. Thus, the Republic is often xenophobic. Within, rites-of-passage are often used to determine status and a tribal elder's word carries more weight than others'.
Matari military are masters of adaptation, able to create whatever item or strategy is needed, out of whatever is available. The best way to finish off a Matari force is to force them into a predictable situation, such as a bottleneck or corner - but good luck getting them there!


In short:
All of the Four Empires are flawed systems with their own ups and downs, just like a real-world culture. Make a choice carefully.
>Amarr is best avoided unless you're born into a non-slave Amarr family. If you're part of another Empire and see slavers coming, run or fight to the death.
>Caldari is good for perfectionists, but life in the State is extremely unforgiving until you are a CEO.
>Highly-skilled opportunists should look into earning entry into a Matari tribe, but don't expect to have any respect until you're fully initiated.
>The State is good choice for those with charisma, but is kind to all comers nonetheless.

For some reason today, I woke up and wanted to brush up on some eve lore. I found this thread -http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1492890 where eve players were discussing the 4 races. This just makes me glad I'm Caldari ^^

This sums it up a bit

Bullshit on what I assume is the Federation one. Kind to all. What a joke. So far all I see from the gallente are false promises, corruption and an absolute drive to escape all responsibility and fault for their past discresions, and current problems.

I could replace Gallente with Amarr in the above sentence and it would still be a true statement.

My thoughts on each race

Caldari:
Intriguingly, the hyper-capitalist government to an extent mimics current "communist" governments such as the late USSR and China. The State takes ownership of all property, service is placed above life, and corruption is rampant.

Also, the Caldari have the widest income gap, as evidenced by the large numbers of Homeless and the extreme wealth of the megacorp CEOs.
Socially, values of honor and tradition are closest to feudal Japan. Mentions of ritual suicide are common, bushido code is enforced on starships, and all members of the State are demanded absolute precision and maximum effort.
Militarily, State warriors are some of the best-regimented soldiers in the universe, and are often hired out as mercenaries to make a few extra ISK. As they are so well-regimented, their weakness lies in unique situations: do something they don't expect, and they won't have the independent thought to counter it with any haste.

In short:
All of the Four Empires are flawed systems with their own ups and downs, just like a real-world culture. Make a choice carefully.
>Amarr is best avoided unless you're born into a non-slave Amarr family. If you're part of another Empire and see slavers coming, run or fight to the death.
>Caldari is good for perfectionists, but life in the State is extremely unforgiving until you are a CEO.
>Highly-skilled opportunists should look into earning entry into a Matari tribe, but don't expect to have any respect until you're fully initiated.
>The State is good choice for those with charisma, but is kind to all comers nonetheless.

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

But forcing them to live in one area without leaving said area, beating them to your will, and making them do horrible jobs is.

Actually, the State has NO FORMAL CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Anything claimed to be The State is run by the 'Big 8', the eight largest mega-corporations in the geographical land of the Caldari people. They work in tandem with each other to bring about a 'standardized' system for which to govern the people. Standardized in quotes because each corp has its own agenda behind the face they put on for the advancement of the State.
Service above life is also common in any intensely national state...like WWII Fascist Germany and Imperial Japan (which are documented influences to the design of the Caldari.)
Corruption is....not so much rampant as it is corporate espionage. I wouldnt call it corruption when you're bribing your enemy to shoot your other enemy so you can further increase power.




The rest of this though is Kalaakiota Approved.

I wouldnt say all of the second part should be approved, you cant really say there are many caldari homeless since if you arent pulling your weight then you arent caldari strictly speaking, meritocracy and all that you know

Who are you to approve anything for the Kaalakiota corporation?

Who are you to say I'm not? I've been cutting the red tape setting the Stahl line for months, kk needs money, the merc battle fields want navy grade weapons, getting the railrifles approved for private use has been high on my list since we chased Heth away from ourselves.

So SAM MIK is an official distributor of the Kaalakiota now? Or just you? Or are you some kind of secret CEO to one of the galaxies larges corporations?

Stahl Arms Manufacturing- Made in Kimtoro. We're a subsidiary, founded to handle all infantry related rail manufacturing operations. The Navy pays well but with so much coming off the top as well as the abysmal state Heth left KK in, we're feeling the pinch pretty good.