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Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:54:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:After reading the 'gonzalez' trilogy the amarr seem to be the most corrupt and power hungry of the 4 races often using slaves for experiments and pursuing power and wealth at all costs much comparable to the spanish removing incan artifacts for the gold I chose gallente on EVE because my graphics card was pretty awful and performance lag of my pc pretty much made the decision for me lol
Burning Life isn't written by Tony.
A quick real life comparison of the 4.
Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans.
Caldari: WWII Germany*, imperial Japan, corporate America.
Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic.
Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa.
*filters the natsee word |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:13:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:After reading the 'gonzalez' trilogy the amarr seem to be the most corrupt and power hungry of the 4 races often using slaves for experiments and pursuing power and wealth at all costs much comparable to the spanish removing incan artifacts for the gold I chose gallente on EVE because my graphics card was pretty awful and performance lag of my pc pretty much made the decision for me lol Burning Life isn't written by Tony. A quick real life comparison of the 4. Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans. Caldari: WWII Germany*, imperial Japan, corporate America. Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic. Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa. *filters the natsee word Which is why i said the Gonzales trilogy (Ruthless, Empyrean Age and Templar One) and not 'The gonzales trilogy and the other one which wasn't that great'
Eff. Forgot about ruthless. Good work.
Also Templis Dragoonars =\= Caldari State. We care about money, they care about obliterating the gallente. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:18:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.
They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.
With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all.
especially since they use a constantly mutating rna virus to keep them complacent. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:41:00 -
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Satja Askarin wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could. Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love. Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr. Killing? Collar? What are you people talking about? As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many. Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery.
Didn't know the Reclaimed were allowed to speak with those outside the Empire. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:58:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:True Adamance wrote: Ha you should look around New Eden.
We are the only things holding back half the Sani Sabik Cults from Empire space.
But manage to allow a cult of crazed cyborgs in empire systems lol They use advanced wormhole tech to breach systems, currently no empire can match the sanshas nation for their power and their capacity to strike where and when they wish. Neither can the Gallente, MInmatar, or Caldari stop them. I put my money on Jove (whatever their status is currently) I think the Jove went the way of the Asgard, sure there is something about it in one of the books we've mentioned previously. but then no one really knows for sure. But i guess the Amarr did do one thing right, reverse engineered the implant to allow for us mercs oh and Jamyl Sarum is pretty hot, but don't let minmatar wife see this....
The Jove (non sleeping Sleepers) are all dead. Last one went the way of the Dodo about 4 years ago. Some still 'live' in the matrix tho. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:05:00 -
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Satja Askarin wrote:First Prophet wrote: So aside from being a coward you also betrayed your tribe. Nevermind what I said, clearly you were meant to be born an Amarr.
Betrayed the Matari? No. I followed the examples of our brothers and sisters the Ammatar.
You mean the Nefantar right? |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:30:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:The Jove are still alive and in physical space... They are just extreme isolationists. Most of their race is in suspended animation though. Honestly, if it wasn't for the Jovian Disease, they could wipe out all 4 factions. The main priority for the Jove is finding a cure for their disease, not starting wars or expanding their space.
Sorry bud, but actual living, breathing, intractable Jove are dead, the EVE canon book Templar One confirms it.
There are billions in stasis, 'living' in a virtual world they constructed in hopes to stave off extinction. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 21:10:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Amarrians, without a doubt! Why?
Because they are religious fundamentalists who believe planets are flat. And yes, that's despite them flying around and actually seeing ROUND planets. They are that fanatically stupid.
They are also going way over the top with all that gold, it's blinding other races.
Slavery...'nough said.
Amarrians are nearly always the leaders in technology, only second to the Caldari on occasions (nationalistic hive-mind ftw!)
First to rediscover space flight after the EVE gate collapsed and all that fun stuff.
Also, real world application, gold is one of the most resilient metals in low temperature/pressure systems, making why the amarr ships are plated in gold not just to make them pretty, but to make them more durable. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.10 21:21:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote: Basically, Gallente and Caldari were friends, until Gallente started being a bad friend, and Caldari wanted out of the relationship. Gallente then bullied Caldari for not being their friend, until big strong Amarr showed up and scared Gallente, who whispered lies into the ears of Amarr's friend Matari, and turned them against one another. The Gallente are the truly evil ones IMHO.
+1 This is exactly what I've been telling everyone! The Gallente are my most disliked faction because they are the great manipulators and starter of wars. Had the Gallente just accepted that the Caldari wished to part from the Federation, then Caldari State would have lived in peace with no war and the Minmatar would of never turned on the Amarr, who both would of also continued to live on in peace. But no, the Gallente can't handle losing such a large nation from their Federation so start war with them, then use the Minmatar as tools when things start to look grim. The Gallente did not manipulate us. They gave us an opportunity to earn back our freedom and we did. The Amarr are the great evil. Never forget the day of darkness.
Ummm, yes. Keep believing that the Failentte are your friends.
How well did that 'republic' they set up for you work? The one that supplanted your heritages and tried to homogenize you into a single national people?
Oh....thats right...it failed. Miserably.
At least you guys are tribally represented in a pseudo-republic now. : / |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:06:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:There does not seem to be as much info about the Caldari out there, or I am not looking in the right places. Perhaps more under corporations?
It's pretty straight forward: simple people who like to build siht and research things because then we can sell it. Don't **** us off though because we will fight to the bitter destructive ends.
That being said, I've got arms, ammo, suits and tanks for sale. |
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Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:50:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:None.
All do what they believe to be right, and I believe that opinions of People shouldn't label one person as evil or good.
For that part, although others will disagree, I believe that ****** believed he was doing good for his society, and in his mind, he was good. And he did do a bit of good. Pulled Germany out of the deep depression they were having (From what I can recall, following WW1, the price of a single loaf of bread was over a million in whatever the germans used at the time), even if his "Behind the scenes" was evil and horrifying
While one may say what he did was evil, its all subjective to the person.
And no, I'm not saying ****** was a good guy. What he did was cruel and inhumane, and is unsanctionable.
I just realized something.
Godwin's Law. Dammit.
Actually CCP Godwined themselves; they wrote the storyline of future space hi tlers rise and fall. .. that man was Tibus Heth....
Boy was it an awkward time to be Caldari. ...
Back to normal now. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:20:00 -
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Zat Earthshatter wrote:My thoughts on each race
Caldari: Intriguingly, the hyper-capitalist government to an extent mimics current "communist" governments such as the late USSR and China. The State takes ownership of all property, service is placed above life, and corruption is rampant. Actually, the State has NO FORMAL CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Anything claimed to be The State is run by the 'Big 8', the eight largest mega-corporations in the geographical land of the Caldari people. They work in tandem with each other to bring about a 'standardized' system for which to govern the people. Standardized in quotes because each corp has its own agenda behind the face they put on for the advancement of the State. Service above life is also common in any intensely national state...like WWII Fascist Germany and Imperial Japan (which are documented influences to the design of the Caldari.) Corruption is....not so much rampant as it is corporate espionage. I wouldnt call it corruption when you're bribing your enemy to shoot your other enemy so you can further increase power.
Zat Earthshatter wrote:Also, the Caldari have the widest income gap, as evidenced by the large numbers of Homeless and the extreme wealth of the megacorp CEOs. Socially, values of honor and tradition are closest to feudal Japan. Mentions of ritual suicide are common, bushido code is enforced on starships, and all members of the State are demanded absolute precision and maximum effort. Militarily, State warriors are some of the best-regimented soldiers in the universe, and are often hired out as mercenaries to make a few extra ISK. As they are so well-regimented, their weakness lies in unique situations: do something they don't expect, and they won't have the independent thought to counter it with any haste.
In short: All of the Four Empires are flawed systems with their own ups and downs, just like a real-world culture. Make a choice carefully. >Amarr is best avoided unless you're born into a non-slave Amarr family. If you're part of another Empire and see slavers coming, run or fight to the death. >Caldari is good for perfectionists, but life in the State is extremely unforgiving until you are a CEO. >Highly-skilled opportunists should look into earning entry into a Matari tribe, but don't expect to have any respect until you're fully initiated. >The State is good choice for those with charisma, but is kind to all comers nonetheless.
The rest of this though is Kalaakiota Approved. |
Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Zat Earthshatter wrote:My thoughts on each race
Caldari: Intriguingly, the hyper-capitalist government to an extent mimics current "communist" governments such as the late USSR and China. The State takes ownership of all property, service is placed above life, and corruption is rampant. Actually, the State has NO FORMAL CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Anything claimed to be The State is run by the 'Big 8', the eight largest mega-corporations in the geographical land of the Caldari people. They work in tandem with each other to bring about a 'standardized' system for which to govern the people. Standardized in quotes because each corp has its own agenda behind the face they put on for the advancement of the State. Service above life is also common in any intensely national state...like WWII Fascist Germany and Imperial Japan (which are documented influences to the design of the Caldari.) Corruption is....not so much rampant as it is corporate espionage. I wouldnt call it corruption when you're bribing your enemy to shoot your other enemy so you can further increase power. Zat Earthshatter wrote:Also, the Caldari have the widest income gap, as evidenced by the large numbers of Homeless and the extreme wealth of the megacorp CEOs. Socially, values of honor and tradition are closest to feudal Japan. Mentions of ritual suicide are common, bushido code is enforced on starships, and all members of the State are demanded absolute precision and maximum effort. Militarily, State warriors are some of the best-regimented soldiers in the universe, and are often hired out as mercenaries to make a few extra ISK. As they are so well-regimented, their weakness lies in unique situations: do something they don't expect, and they won't have the independent thought to counter it with any haste.
In short: All of the Four Empires are flawed systems with their own ups and downs, just like a real-world culture. Make a choice carefully. >Amarr is best avoided unless you're born into a non-slave Amarr family. If you're part of another Empire and see slavers coming, run or fight to the death. >Caldari is good for perfectionists, but life in the State is extremely unforgiving until you are a CEO. >Highly-skilled opportunists should look into earning entry into a Matari tribe, but don't expect to have any respect until you're fully initiated. >The State is good choice for those with charisma, but is kind to all comers nonetheless. The rest of this though is Kalaakiota Approved. I wouldnt say all of the second part should be approved, you cant really say there are many caldari homeless since if you arent pulling your weight then you arent caldari strictly speaking, meritocracy and all that you know Who are you to approve anything for the Kaalakiota corporation?
Who are you to say I'm not? I've been cutting the red tape setting the Stahl line for months, kk needs money, the merc battle fields want navy grade weapons, getting the railrifles approved for private use has been high on my list since we chased Heth away from ourselves.
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Soldner VonKuechle
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:33:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:
Who are you to say I'm not? I've been cutting the red tape setting the Stahl line for months, kk needs money, the merc battle fields want navy grade weapons, getting the railrifles approved for private use has been high on my list since we chased Heth away from ourselves.
So SAM MIK is an official distributor of the Kaalakiota now? Or just you? Or are you some kind of secret CEO to one of the galaxies larges corporations?
Stahl Arms Manufacturing- Made in Kimtoro. We're a subsidiary, founded to handle all infantry related rail manufacturing operations. The Navy pays well but with so much coming off the top as well as the abysmal state Heth left KK in, we're feeling the pinch pretty good. |
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