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Goro Scornshard
DUST University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:37:00 -
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Don't go thinking that the Gallente are all sweetness and light, check out this story on EVElopedia
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle) |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2691
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:44:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.
They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.
With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire. Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well! They can be from a perspective. If the Gal schools are not teaching critical thinking and openness and acceptance of beliefs and ideas, teaching only one approach or ideology then yes. In essence, without freedom of choice and the ability to dissent then oppression is part of the process. The Federation has cultural variability, and diversity in beliefs so it indicates less oppression than say the Amarr one doctrine one truth method of "education" Edit> Was assimilation ever considered oppressive? I suppose the oppressor rarely see's at such. There you go again, you had to quote "education." What makes you think that the Amarr do not teach critical thinking? I mean, come on, so much bias. Also the Empire has one of the most diverse demographics in New Eden, look here https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Amarr_Empire And they are open to many culture traditions, so long as they don't conflict with the Empire just as the Gallente are open to cultural traditions so long as they don't conflict with the Federation. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
218
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:46:00 -
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lol link goes to a blank page Though I must say not a big fan of the Gal either, really on a personal level none of the factions really appeal to me.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2691
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:05:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:lol link goes to a blank page Though I must say not a big fan of the Gal either, really on a personal level none of the factions really appeal to me. Link goes to blank page because (Chronicle) doesn't get included in the hyperlink for whatever reason. |
Bernie Madoffs Ghost
Madoff Investment Securities LLC
7
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:09:00 -
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I'm just here for the isk....
and some poontang... |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
657
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:27:00 -
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depends upon which race you're born. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
218
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:33:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Llast 326 wrote:lol link goes to a blank page Though I must say not a big fan of the Gal either, really on a personal level none of the factions really appeal to me. Link goes to blank page because (Chronicle) doesn't get included in the hyperlink for whatever reason. yay internets "Education" can also apply to the Gal system as well as the Cal and Min as well. Certainly from the point of view of each faction their way of life is better. The limited room for dissent within the Amarr is a different form of control than the stratification in the Gal Fed, or the ideals of meritocracy espoused within the Cal, they all amount to forms of social control, and help fuel the conflicts in New Eden.... which is good, because i would hate to play an accounting game |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
308
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:47:00 -
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Eve's is a noir setting; morality's a central theme, but corruption (of one sort or another) is ubiquitous. Everybody's human, which is an indictment, of sorts.
Tony G is not a good resource for cultural comparisons in Eve; his vision of New Eden is pretty melodramatic, and his approach to making the setting "dark" is to make the Gallente the only good guys (who survive the book, anyway).
He also has displayed a flagrant disregard for cannon. His novella "Ruthless" is supposed to be about the creation of a new Caldari battleship. Which is the new ship and which is the old war horse? Well, to read the in-game descriptions, the Scorpion's the fancy new boat.
"The first Scorpion-class battleship was launched only a couple of years ago, and those that have been built are considered to be prototypes."
It's right there in the item description.
Tony G's rendition is precisely reversed: the Scorpion is the old war horse. I guess he liked the Raven better.
If you're mining for lore, I recommend the chronicles, the scientific articles, and The Burning Life. I know Tony G is officially canon, but because of his inconsistency with the universe I require secondary citation for any lore sourced from him. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:54:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:After reading the 'gonzalez' trilogy the amarr seem to be the most corrupt and power hungry of the 4 races often using slaves for experiments and pursuing power and wealth at all costs much comparable to the spanish removing incan artifacts for the gold I chose gallente on EVE because my graphics card was pretty awful and performance lag of my pc pretty much made the decision for me lol Burning Life isn't written by Tony. A quick real life comparison of the 4. Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans. Caldari: WWII Germany*, imperial Japan, corporate America. Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic. Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa. *filters the natsee word
Which is why i said the Gonzales trilogy (Ruthless, Empyrean Age and Templar One) and not 'The gonzales trilogy and the other one which wasn't that great' |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2808
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:01:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. Ha you should look around New Eden.
We are the only things holding back half the Sani Sabik Cults from Empire space.
Those are the really bad people. Fanatics with no sense of a forgiving God, who would happily blood children and clones for their barbaric and debased rituals, those who would affect your minds with implants and technologies to make you a part of the Hive Mind.
We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could. We try to educate our peoples to the right paths, to make them whole in God's eyes so that they shall not sin against their creator and damn their selves for eternity.
Shall I bring up the extremist Caldari who bombed an underwater Gallentean city, killing Billions.
Sansha's Nation who take captives to the Darkest regions of space to do god knows what.
Shall I mention the lawless Angel Cartel, so deep in corruption and murder that they cannot see the light.
And you wish to call us, who wish only the best of intentions, the unity of mankind, and the formations of One galaxy spanning people are evil. You are ignorant and have no knowledge of the universe. I can only hope one day the Matari see that and cast you out as you deserve. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2808
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:07:00 -
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OgTheEnigma wrote:Amarr are religious loonies. That's worse than being evil alone (they are evil as well though).
And you are ignorant and inflexible with the lack of capacity to accept things for what they are as opposed to your current stance of what they seem to be. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
739
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:10:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.
They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.
With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
190
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:13:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:After reading the 'gonzalez' trilogy the amarr seem to be the most corrupt and power hungry of the 4 races often using slaves for experiments and pursuing power and wealth at all costs much comparable to the spanish removing incan artifacts for the gold I chose gallente on EVE because my graphics card was pretty awful and performance lag of my pc pretty much made the decision for me lol Burning Life isn't written by Tony. A quick real life comparison of the 4. Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans. Caldari: WWII Germany*, imperial Japan, corporate America. Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic. Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa. *filters the natsee word Which is why i said the Gonzales trilogy (Ruthless, Empyrean Age and Templar One) and not 'The gonzales trilogy and the other one which wasn't that great'
Eff. Forgot about ruthless. Good work.
Also Templis Dragoonars =\= Caldari State. We care about money, they care about obliterating the gallente. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2808
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:16:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.
They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.
With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all. Except Amarrian slavery is not like any real world iteration of it. The Amarr do not exploit peoples for their own gain, they see what they are doing as a necessary step in the spiritual enlightenment the Unenlightened, and do this for their on good. Slaves are treated with dignity and respect by their masters, called holder, who within the Amarrian society are lords and the only ones truly allowed to hold stocks of slaves. The punishment for transgressing the slave treatment laws as passed down by Emperor Hiederan, is slavery itself, not to mention those who are corruptly abusing their slaves are subject to the inquisitions of the speakers of truth. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
190
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:18:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.
They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.
With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all.
especially since they use a constantly mutating rna virus to keep them complacent. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1165
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could. Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love.
Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr. |
Athene Alland
Red Fox Brigade
110
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:23:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Xender17 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.
They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.
With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all. especially since they use a constantly mutating rna virus to keep them complacent.
Damn, you beat me to it, but just incase;
Vitoc
-Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio'- |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1165
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. And you wish to call us, who wish only the best of intentions, the unity of mankind, and the formations of One galaxy spanning people are evil. lolUnityofMankind.
No. What you want is total Amarr rule. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
91
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. Ha you should look around New Eden. We are the only things holding back half the Sani Sabik Cults from Empire space.
But manage to allow a cult of crazed cyborgs in empire systems lol
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Satja Askarin
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:38:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could. Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love. Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr. Killing?
Collar?
What are you people talking about?
As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many.
Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery. |
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
191
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:41:00 -
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Satja Askarin wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could. Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love. Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr. Killing? Collar? What are you people talking about? As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many. Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery.
Didn't know the Reclaimed were allowed to speak with those outside the Empire. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1166
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:45:00 -
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Satja Askarin wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could. Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love. Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr. Killing? Collar? What are you people talking about? As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many. Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery. Our minmatar culture is rich and diverse, but sadly the Amarrian lies and indoctrination have ruined you. I pity you, but you also strengthen me. Because it is these lies and indoctrinations I fight so hard against. The Amarr seek to control the cluster as they now control you. But I will do all that I can to stand in their. Never forget the day of darkness. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2810
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:46:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. Ha you should look around New Eden. We are the only things holding back half the Sani Sabik Cults from Empire space. But manage to allow a cult of crazed cyborgs in empire systems lol They use advanced wormhole tech to breach systems, currently no empire can match the sanshas nation for their power and their capacity to strike where and when they wish. Neither can the Gallente, MInmatar, or Caldari stop them. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2212
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:47:00 -
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Satja Askarin wrote: Killing?
Collar?
What are you people talking about?
As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many.
Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery.
((Your RP is terrible.)) |
Satja Askarin
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:48:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Satja Askarin wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could. Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love. Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr. Killing? Collar? What are you people talking about? As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many. Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery. Our minmatar culture is rich and diverse, but sadly the Amarrian lies and indoctrination have ruined you. I pity you, but you also strengthen me. Because it is these lies and indoctrinations I fight so hard against. The Amarr seek to control the cluster as they now control you. But I will do all that I can to stand in their way. Never forget the day of darkness.
When the Golden Ships came I voluntarily boarded them, escaping Siebestor tribesmen who wished my Tribe, the Vhrekior harm for the belief that my uncle a emancipated Matari preacher was spying for the Amarr. Since then I have not been mistreated or harmed. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2214
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:49:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. Ha you should look around New Eden. We are the only things holding back half the Sani Sabik Cults from Empire space. But manage to allow a cult of crazed cyborgs in empire systems lol They use advanced wormhole tech to breach systems, currently no empire can match the sanshas nation for their power and their capacity to strike where and when they wish. Neither can the Gallente, MInmatar, or Caldari stop them. I put my money on Jove (whatever their status is currently) |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:50:00 -
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lcarus X wrote:For some reason today, I woke up and wanted to brush up on some eve lore. I found this thread -http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1492890 where eve players were discussing the 4 races. This just makes me glad I'm Caldari ^^ This sums it up a bit Quote:Gallente: good - Democracy, individual liberty bad - corruption, excessively capitalistic society defined by corporate-vs-individual conflict
Caldari: good - orderly (low corruption), focused on technological progress and industry bad - inflexible, run by a totalitarian state, no value on human life whatsoever
Amarr: good - pioneers of technology, most stable and 'safe' of all the empires bad - slavery, class structure based on birth, expansion-obsessed
Minmatae: good - tough, polycultural, generally the sneakiest of the empires in warfare bad - caste system based on arbitrary factors, excessively violent, hold grudges against people that haven't committed any offense and frequently murder them for it, often incapable of rational action due to adherence to traditions based on 'hit cow with rock'-level society.
According to Islam everything we do with a game like this is evil. It's only a matter of the level of oppression vs. freedom. Anyone can be a backstabber. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1170
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:53:00 -
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Satja Askarin wrote:First Prophet wrote:Satja Askarin wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote: We clothe and feed our slaves, we love and care for them as no one else in this vast cluster would, or could.
Slave collars don't count as clothes, and killing the ones who don't agree is not love. Amarr are the only truely evil race. Down with the Amarr. Killing? Collar? What are you people talking about? As a former slave I saw none of these things. We were at times expected to behave a certain way, but Iesa III was and still is a harsh planet to live on. Slaves are not beaten, nor are we ridiculed, or belittled. My masters were good ones, but they are now dead. My new master however is a kind man, sometimes harsh, but his stresses are many. Evil? That's silly, the Amarr are not evil. They helped me get away from a culture of violence and savagery. Our minmatar culture is rich and diverse, but sadly the Amarrian lies and indoctrination have ruined you. I pity you, but you also strengthen me. Because it is these lies and indoctrinations I fight so hard against. The Amarr seek to control the cluster as they now control you. But I will do all that I can to stand in their way. Never forget the day of darkness. When the Golden Ships came I voluntarily boarded them, escaping Siebestor tribesmen who wished my Tribe, the Vhrekior harm for the belief that my uncle a emancipated Matari preacher was spying for the Amarr. Since then I have not been mistreated or harmed. So aside from being a coward you also betrayed your tribe. Nevermind what I said, clearly you were meant to be born an Amarr. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
93
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:54:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:True Adamance wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. Ha you should look around New Eden. We are the only things holding back half the Sani Sabik Cults from Empire space. But manage to allow a cult of crazed cyborgs in empire systems lol They use advanced wormhole tech to breach systems, currently no empire can match the sanshas nation for their power and their capacity to strike where and when they wish. Neither can the Gallente, MInmatar, or Caldari stop them. I put my money on Jove (whatever their status is currently)
I think the Jove went the way of the Asgard, sure there is something about it in one of the books we've mentioned previously. but then no one really knows for sure.
But i guess the Amarr did do one thing right, reverse engineered the implant to allow for us mercs oh and Jamyl Sarum is pretty hot, but don't let minmatar wife see this....
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Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
60
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:57:00 -
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I would go with Sanshas Nation. Maybe the Blood Raiders. |
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