Why aren't you putting this much effort into arguing that case then?

But I'll deny that upfront nature to your face with all my religious pontificating!

I don't agrue that case because that's between the Gallente and the Caldari. Caldari RPers can argue it. My character is more focused on Minmatar issues. Which while the Gallente might eventually be an issue, for the moment they're more focus on the Caldari, and the Amarr and the more pressing problem.

But they're our friends friends because the Gallente didn't take us from our home. They never enslaved us. (And yes, I'll admit Amarr slavery is better than real world slavery. It's still a negative thing though.) They never made us worship their God. They didn't use Vitoc on us, they didn't attack our planet, and they helped us break free. Keep in mind before you agree the breaking us free part, it was something we wanted.

But also keep in mind my earlier "Amarr are monsterous" talk is just role play stuff i say as a fierce matari freedom fighter.
Also, for the meantime, the Gallente are more focused on the Caldari.

There does not seem to be as much info about the Caldari out there, or I am not looking in the right places. Perhaps more under corporations?

Read your whole post, but that part right there stuck out.

Again, most Minmatar stayed on their home worlds when encountered by the Amarr, and the Amarr helped them build up their planets. Meanwhile, after breaking free and forming the Minmatar Republic, a majority of Minmatar actually reside on Federation planets, after the Gallente promised you all these things they couldn't deliver.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Modern_Era_of_the_Gallente_Federation
"Despite the promise of the Minmatar Republic, many of its new citizens had doubts. To the average Minmatar, the Federation was a land of milk and honey, a promised place where freedom and happiness reigned. When the common inhabitant of Matar looked around, however, they saw poverty, malnourishment, and social dissolution."

I'll be needing a reference for building up the planets. Because I DOUBT THAT SUPER HARD. Not that it makes a big deal. Losing your freedom on your home is only slightly better than being kidnapped off it.

The majority live in the Republic. But the number of Matari in Gallente areas is pretty close, I'll admit. I don't get why you keep bringing up the Gallente though. I get they're not great. I'M NOT GALLENTE. I'M MINMATAR. I've never said the Minmatar should join the federation. But for the time being, they're okay friends. We can deal with them after we've freed the rest of us from the Empire.

The issue of the MInmatar actually really has nothing to do with the Minmatar as the Amarr see it.....sort of. We consider you a people in revolt and already ours

Yeah. Its the trademark Amarr arrogance. :p

No its not arrogance its just how we look at things. During the first Reclaiming we had assumed you to be in the Empire, we saw you already as brothers and sisters.

Again not arrogance but I suppose some forward thinking on the part of the Amarr

The amarrian concept of slavery isn't the 18th/19th century concept that basically boils down to: heres some african prisoners of war lets sell them to europeans so they can be treated like cattle and subhumans.

Its more like the Roman notion of slavery, that represents the bottom rung of a complex caste system with little or no chance of upward mobility. The idea that servitude to a more sophisticated culture enlightens less advanced human beings.

Forward thinking from a bit of AmarroganceGäó

:p

Fixed that

which is ironic cause the greatest and most powerful empires through out history had slaves.

Th romens, the aztecs, even america at one point.

And neither the less this was transferred into Dust with the Amar being the first to relearn space flight and (used to) have the largest empire of the 4.

but honestly i don't think that one can truly be free. And me personally can care less about freedom as long as im happy.

signed a wannabe caldari.

Damn, I am so using that (if it is ok with you )

Damn, I am so using that (if it is ok with you )

Fixed that

Burning Life isn't written by Tony.

A quick real life comparison of the 4.

Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans.

Caldari: WWII Germany*, imperial Japan, corporate America.

Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic.

Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa.



*filters the natsee word

List of Evil Empires in Order of Evilness

1. Amarr Empire
2. The Legion of Doom

No bias at all, I promise

Someone add more evil things the list I'm too lazy to. :\

You should take the number one slot on the list of evilness for fabricating ones own words to pursue your own agenda!

That makes you the most evil.

All I do is make jokes. Lazily too. I'm chaotic neutral at worst.

Gallente Chaotic EVIL!

Neutral Good for the Amarr.

Lawful Evil for the Gravelords!

None.

All do what they believe to be right, and I believe that opinions of People shouldn't label one person as evil or good.

For that part, although others will disagree, I believe that ****** believed he was doing good for his society, and in his mind, he was good. And he did do a bit of good. Pulled Germany out of the deep depression they were having (From what I can recall, following WW1, the price of a single loaf of bread was over a million in whatever the germans used at the time), even if his "Behind the scenes" was evil and horrifying

While one may say what he did was evil, its all subjective to the person.

And no, I'm not saying ****** was a good guy. What he did was cruel and inhumane, and is unsanctionable.

I just realized something.

Godwin's Law. Dammit.

For some reason today, I woke up and wanted to brush up on some eve lore. I found this thread -http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1492890 where eve players were discussing the 4 races. This just makes me glad I'm Caldari ^^

This sums it up a bit

My thoughts on each race

Caldari:
Intriguingly, the hyper-capitalist government to an extent mimics current "communist" governments such as the late USSR and China. The State takes ownership of all property, service is placed above life, and corruption is rampant.
Also, the Caldari have the widest income gap, as evidenced by the large numbers of Homeless and the extreme wealth of the megacorp CEOs.
Socially, values of honor and tradition are closest to feudal Japan. Mentions of ritual suicide are common, bushido code is enforced on starships, and all members of the State are demanded absolute precision and maximum effort.
Militarily, State warriors are some of the best-regimented soldiers in the universe, and are often hired out as mercenaries to make a few extra ISK. As they are so well-regimented, their weakness lies in unique situations: do something they don't expect, and they won't have the independent thought to counter it with any haste.

Amarr:
Some writings on EVElopedia suggest that the Amarrians splintered off from real-world Catholicism sometime between the discovery of FTL and humanity's arrival to New Eden.
All government is under the control of an Empress, and when one dies another is chosen from a council of the most powerful families in the Empire. Amarrian politics and religion are one and the same within the Empire, and the Empress' word is both holy and the law.
Socially, slavery is encouraged. Status is often based on how many bodies you own, starships are often crewed by them, and obscene measures are taken to control billions of servants.
In military circles, one can never sway an Amarrian. Whether indoctrinated from birth or rendered mindless as a slave, an Amarrian soldier will always have one cause in mind: Glory to the Empress! However, this may make them too stubborn to see an obvious ambush or trap waiting for them...

Gallente:
A constitutional republic, the Gallente Federation promises the ability to go anywhere in life, provided that you can convince the people to back you up.
The Federation government is similar to 21st Century republics like the USA, with separation of powers and an elected President. Unfortunately, term limits do not seem to exist for Gallentean offices, so behind-doors corruption can be very impactful.
Much like modern society, the Gallente likely have a celebrity obsession. Most entertainment in New Eden comes from a Gallente studio, and the ever-popular AURA AI program is based on a Gallente model. Other than that, culture is likely a mosaic of immigrants from other races and independent city-states from the fringes of the cluster.
Military in the Gallente is all about the strength of the team, and no man is left behind. Although this makes for one of the strongest direct-assault armed forces available, guerrilla warfare and division tactics can easily weaken a Gallente advance.

Minmatar:
Former slaves who revolted against the Amarr, Matari have since formed a tribe-based republic promising freedom for their brothers in chains.
Government is led by a council of the largest Tribes, and decisions made by Council vote are final. Tribal ties are almost impossible to corrupt, but this also means that the tribes' emotions can often overwhelm logic. Hence, Matari will often retaliate against any who wrong them, and law enforcement here is one of the harshest in New Eden.
Socially, if you're not in a Tribe, you're not Matari. Thus, the Republic is often xenophobic. Within, rites-of-passage are often used to determine status and a tribal elder's word carries more weight than others'.
Matari military are masters of adaptation, able to create whatever item or strategy is needed, out of whatever is available. The best way to finish off a Matari force is to force them into a predictable situation, such as a bottleneck or corner - but good luck getting them there!


In short:
All of the Four Empires are flawed systems with their own ups and downs, just like a real-world culture. Make a choice carefully.
>Amarr is best avoided unless you're born into a non-slave Amarr family. If you're part of another Empire and see slavers coming, run or fight to the death.
>Caldari is good for perfectionists, but life in the State is extremely unforgiving until you are a CEO.
>Highly-skilled opportunists should look into earning entry into a Matari tribe, but don't expect to have any respect until you're fully initiated.
>The State is good choice for those with charisma, but is kind to all comers nonetheless.

For some reason today, I woke up and wanted to brush up on some eve lore. I found this thread -http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1492890 where eve players were discussing the 4 races. This just makes me glad I'm Caldari ^^

This sums it up a bit