Again, still talking about history.

The Earth had countries that started wars with others and then were able to be accepted back into the world community. I don't think starting a war counts as truly evil.

That is reserved for those that impose ideology or lack of freedom on others.

The Gallente did not manipulate us. They gave us an opportunity to earn back our freedom and we did. The Amarr are the great evil. Never forget the day of darkness.

The Gallente did not manipulate us. They gave us an opportunity to earn back our freedom and we did. The Amarr are the great evil. Never forget the day of darkness.

You'd like this chronicle,
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Man_of_Values_and_Faith_(Chronicle)
Because no matter how much good the Amarr do for the Minmatar, surely we must be the evil oppressors that is ingrained so deeply in your beliefs.

"My manipulator did not manipulate me!"

Surely you must realize how silly that sounds! If you are going to make such claims, you are going to need references and/or sources.

Nerd.

Ummm, yes. Keep believing that the Failentte are your friends.

How well did that 'republic' they set up for you work?
The one that supplanted your heritages and tried to homogenize you into a single national people?

Oh....thats right...it failed. Miserably.

At least you guys are tribally represented in a pseudo-republic now. : /

Do you not realize that the Gallente Federation also imposes it's ideology on others? The Caldari culture is focused around everyone serving eachother, working for the greater good of the whole and not the individual. This is in stark contrast to the Gallente who believe in individual values instead. Now there was nothing wrong with either civilization, both were plenty happy with their lives, but the Gallente decided to try and end that culture of the Caldari State and that's part of why tensions rose between the two in the first place.

Fool, you are describing the path... yesterday is not today.

Slavery and ideology are alive and well in your society while the Caldari are no longer "under the boot" of the Gallente by any stretch of the imagination.

First Prophet, the Amarr don't believe the Minmatar are scum at all! We are freeing many Minmatar into the Amarr Empire every day and welcome them with wide arms! It is the traitors who make it their mission to destroy our society that has us up in arms. You won't simply accept your freedom and live in peace.

Also your statement sounded silly because of how forced you made it. The Amarr are the real friends of the Minmatar, just look at all we've done for you. Now look at the Gallente Federation, where there are countless reports of discrimination against your people, even one Gallentean who open fired on a Minmatar festival killing 59 Matari, or a Minmatar student who was attacked by three Gallenteans because of his race and then sentenced to prison for defending himself.

You do know that as of this very moment, the Caldari are still officially members of the Gallente Federation?

The term "Minmatar Scum" as used by the more aggressive sects of Amarrian loyalists actually refers to the renegade agent of corporations supporting the separatist agenda. The common Matari people who do not fight are the people we would welcome with open arms.

Officially? Hahahaha. They are repressed how?

I further the question, how are current Minmatar "slaves" repressed?

Hahahaha. Willing slaves are welcome! Great marketing slogan.

First Prophet, the Amarr don't believe the Minmatar are scum at all! We are freeing many Minmatar into the Amarr Empire every day and welcome them with wide arms!

Also your statement sounded silly because of how forced you made it. The Amarr are the real friends of the Minmatar, just look at all we've done for you. .

The term "Minmatar Scum" as used by the more aggressive sects of Amarrian loyalists actually refers to the renegade agent of corporations supporting the separatist agenda. The common Matari people who do not fight are the people we would welcome with open arms.

Being "freed" into the Amarr Empire is the same as being a slave. You are still forced to serve the Amarr and that celestial sham you call a religion. Free your slaves to the Republic. That Is the only true freedom for us Minmatar, and it is one we gladly accept. What we do not accept is your false freedom.

Let's see what the Amarr have done for us. They invaded our planet, destroyed our defenses, nearly wiped out the Starkmanir, kidnapped us, enslaved us, forced vitoc on us, forced their religious lies us, nearly made us lose our heritage and culture, and killed those who did not accept the religious lies.

You sure did do a lot of great things for us.

If the Matari joined the Empire willingly they might not even be enslaved. I am loyal to the Empire and wasn't enslaved.

Yes. We matari who would fight for our freedom and independence are scum to you. My point exactly. The only people you welcome are those who are willing to be slaves.

All slaves are free to return to their homes if they so wish, many return as missionaries to their own people.

False freedom is what you have under the Gallentean boot, pressed down on you broken backs.

Be not obstinate in you dealings with us and you would suffer not, all your supposed sufferings are of your own making

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

There is no point trying to convince people who have no intention of listening, or arriving at a logical conclusion.

The Amarr are in fact oppressors. Just accept it.

The Amarr are in fact oppressors. Just accept it.

((out of character, why not just accept that things aren't as black and white as you originally thought?))

I could say the Minmatar are a dozen things, neither what I say, nor how I say it makes it true.

((out of character, why not just accept that things aren't as black and white as you originally thought?))