I super easily accept those kinds of things.
I never said the Amarr didn't have its benefits. I'm just saying that they're oppressors. Which they ARE. They also do have their benefits. I ACCEPT THAT. i ADMIT IT.

BUT FOR SOME REASON YOU AND TRUE JUST WON'T ACCEPT THAT THE AMARR ARE OPPRESSIVE. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

I do not believe that as an Amarrian I am doing anything wrong by aiding the Minmatar in becoming closer to God.

I don't find it oppressive because I look at what Amarr slavery has brought to other races like the Khanid and Ni-Kunni, as well as what it's brought to loyal Minmatar, and it's been nothing but vastly improved standard of living. I mean, I'm sorry if I don't find that oppressing.

From my perspective, the only thing people find oppressive about it is they see the word "slavery" and equate it to 17th/18th century slavery on Earth where it was entirely taking advantage of other races for labor and mistreating them and so on, which is not at all the case in Amarr slavery. I have yet to hear an argument that gives any good support, with references and sources, that goes against this claim.

Fool. Oppression is not about lifestyle... it is about choice. Taking away other's choices is oppression.

I personally don't see the standard of living improvement you keep talking about. At least not in the Minmatar.

And I don't see how kidnapping someone from their planet, or killing someone for not accepting your God is NOT cruel, unjust, or burdensome? What do you guys do to slaves who don't want to follow orders? You either kill them or stick 'em with Vitoc. I know you read about Vitoc. How is that not oppressive?

How would you, you do not have access to the Mandate, you don't not have access to any amarrian works towards development of Matari culture, you are a merc with no concept of how anything outside your own empire works.

I was saying that out of character.
I haven't found anything in Evelopedia that would suggest the living improvement is all that great. Or any of the things you listed.

I was saying that out of character.
I haven't found anything in Evelopedia that would suggest the living improvement is all that great. Or any of the things you listed.

We linked you to some chronicles awhile back, guess you must of ignored them.

I'll face you and your traitorous kind in battle.

You linked me to one about the Anmatar mandate. Which I did read. But that was only about the Mandate. It didn't say anything about Matar.

And I like how both of you skipped this part:

And I don't see how kidnapping someone from their planet, or killing someone for not accepting your God is NOT cruel, unjust, or burdensome? What do you guys do to slaves who don't want to follow orders? You either kill them or stick 'em with Vitoc. I know you read about Vitoc. How is that not oppressive?


:p

I also like how you skipped the part where I posted multiple links to the Gallente discriminating against you and showing strong remarks of racism against the Matar.

And look, as for vitoc, that is a great example of a flaw with the Amarr. I will be the first to admit that that's just not right. But all the races have equally disturbing flaws. Still, Vitoc usage isn't very widespread at all, and is really only seen onboard spacecrafts where the crew needs orderly cooperation of all individuals. Again, not saying that that makes it right, but it is not a method used by the large majority of slave holders.

Pretty sure it's also used on mining colonies.

But still, my point being that the amarr are oppressive. Not saying the other races don't have their oppressive sides. I'm just saying that reading you guys try to argue that the Amarr are not AT ALL oppressive despite:

And I don't see how kidnapping someone from their planet, or killing someone for not accepting your God is NOT cruel, unjust, or burdensome? What do you guys do to slaves who don't want to follow orders? You either kill them or stick 'em with Vitoc. I know you read about Vitoc. How is that not oppressive?

Hurts my head a little.

I think certain individuals within the Amarr Empire could be seen as oppressive, just as certain individuals within any of the other three races can be seen as oppressive. I do not however think it is fair to take the actions of a few to judge the condition of the whole.

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What? It wasn't just a few who decided to invade Matar. The Empire as a whole decided that.

Just as the Federation as a whole decided to invade Caldari? Why are you putting this much effort into arguing that case then?

Look, the Amarr Empire expanded it's reach just as the Federation has. We assimilate those we find and bring up their living conditions just as the Federation has. So why is one some monstrous oppressor, while the other is your "best friend?"

Gallente are the evil ones obviously, stealing peoples homelands, persecuting those they claim are allies
Isnt it obvious?

Personally I find the Gallente to be the ultimate deceiver. You can sit there and look at their lore and all the horrible things they have done, yet they somehow maintain the public image of the heroes of New Eden and champions of freedom.

Indeed, and while the Amarr have done things I do not agree with they are at least upfront about their intentions

Just as the Federation as a whole decided to invade Caldari? Why aren't you putting this much effort into arguing that case then?

Look, the Amarr Empire expanded it's reach just as the Federation has. We assimilate those we find and bring up their living conditions just as the Federation has. So why is one some monstrous oppressor, while the other is your "best friend?"