DUST Search - Which race is evil?

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Slag Emberforge wrote:

As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.

They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.

With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners.

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire.

Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well!

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lcarus X Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:51:00 - [1] - Quote For some reason today, I woke up and wanted to brush up on some eve lore. I found this thread -http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1492890 where eve players were discussing the 4 races. This just makes me glad I'm Caldari ^^ This sums it up a bit Quote: Gallente: good - Democracy, individual liberty bad - corruption, excessively capitalistic society defined by corporate-vs-individual conflict Caldari: good - orderly (low corruption), focused on technological progress and industry bad - inflexible, run by a totalitarian state, no value on human life whatsoever Amarr: good - pioneers of technology, most stable and 'safe' of all the empires bad - slavery, class structure based on birth, expansion-obsessed Minmatae: good - tough, polycultural, generally the sneakiest of the empires in warfare bad - caste system based on arbitrary factors, excessively violent, hold grudges against people that haven't committed any offense and frequently murder them for it, often incapable of rational action due to adherence to traditions based on 'hit cow with rock'-level society.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2203	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:54:00 - [2] - Quote No race is completely good nor completely evil.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 386	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:54:00 - [3] - Quote Look how long the "bad" is for Minmatar. See...I told you!
lcarus X Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:55:00 - [4] - Quote Exactly! Pick your poison, ladies and gents
Syeven Reed Inanimate Objects 49	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:59:00 - [5] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Look how long the "bad" is for Minmatar. See...I told you! Within each race the 3 groups, still have pretty unique views from each other. Like some Minmatar (myself) try to stray away from the tribal ideology that made us slaves, to the Amarr!! (The real bad guys)
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 163	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:00:00 - [6] - Quote Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1600	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:02:00 - [7] - Quote lcarus X wrote: ,,, incapable of rational action due to adherence to traditions based on 'hit cow with rock'-level society. Did you just call me a primitive caveman? I'm pretty sure you did. Due to my irrational state I may have to hit you with a rock. My whole tribe with likely be taking part seeing as they hate to break with tradition. Silly cow.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2206	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:03:00 - [8] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst. I don't have a problem with having slaves. I do have a problem with keeping slaves for no reason other than being who you are. On my personal list Amarr are more on the negative side than the other races. Sadly though Gallente and Amarr are the only races I respect.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:09:00 - [9] - Quote Hmmm, something seems off from what I have read the Caldari are the excessively capatalistic state.... you know being governed by corporate interest like the "Bg Eight" The flaw with Gallante is the corruption coupled with the inequality of condition, essentially social stratification. "Everybody is equal, just some are more equal than others" Just like in the real world their are issues with any society, it boils down to a matter of perception and social conditioning as to what we will accept.
Jack Kittinger DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:09:00 - [10] - Quote Everyone can be made to look like a criminal if heavily scrutinized Anyways, evil or not, heretic or self proclaimed saint, let them tear each other apart as long as they keep the Isk coming I couldn't care less.

Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 89	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:26:00 - [11] - Quote After reading the 'gonzalez' trilogy the amarr seem to be the most corrupt and power hungry of the 4 races often using slaves for experiments and pursuing power and wealth at all costs much comparable to the spanish removing incan artifacts for the gold I chose gallente on EVE because my graphics card was pretty awful and performance lag of my pc pretty much made the decision for me lol
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 686	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:33:00 - [12] - Quote The well structured factions are a great part of the EVE universe. I enjoy that those who get really into role playing can get into some deep moral/philosophical discussions that are also relevant to real world society/politics. For example my dislike of religious fanaticism and slavery put Amarr far on the side of "evil". The list in the OP doesn't even mention religious fanaticism. To some that isn't an issue.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 380	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:45:00 - [13] - Quote minmatar scum are the evil ones...
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 640	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:50:00 - [14] - Quote Any of the four empires can be seen as "evil" from different points of view. None of them are exactly innocent.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 190	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:54:00 - [15] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: After reading the 'gonzalez' trilogy the amarr seem to be the most corrupt and power hungry of the 4 races often using slaves for experiments and pursuing power and wealth at all costs much comparable to the spanish removing incan artifacts for the gold I chose gallente on EVE because my graphics card was pretty awful and performance lag of my pc pretty much made the decision for me lol Burning Life isn't written by Tony. A quick real life comparison of the 4. Gallente: ancient Greece, modern day France and the Americans. Caldari: WWII Germany, imperial Japan, corporate America. Amarr: pick a religion, make it zealous and hyper fanatic. Minmatar: pre-industrial age Scandinavia, tribal Africa. filters the natsee word
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2690	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:54:00 - [16] - Quote To be fair, the Gallente are also expansionists. Overall pretty decent break down. Though why put quotations around "safe"? The Amarr Empire has the least crime, the most peaceful. Even the slaves live in a peaceful state.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 14	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:54:00 - [17] - Quote As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners.
J Falcs Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 154	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:55:00 - [18] - Quote All of them and none of them.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2690	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:57:00 - [19] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 518	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:59:00 - [20] - Quote There is only one right side, Mine. everyone is good, everyone is evil. The races do the best they can, some happen to think slaves are ok, others don't. some thing drugs are ok, others think walnuts are the most evil of all. (no really, the amarr have banned walnuts)

iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1065	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:59:00 - [21] - Quote The amarrian concept of slavery isn't the 18th/19th century concept that basically boils down to: heres some african prisoners of war lets sell them to europeans so they can be treated like cattle and subhumans. Its more like the Roman notion of slavery, that represents the bottom rung of a complex caste system with little or no chance of upward mobility. The idea that servitude to a more sophisticated culture enlightens less advanced human beings.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1385	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:00:00 - [22] - Quote You're missing some information, like how the ammarians use live subjects for biomass, but in truth all races have good and bad to them. Ammarians are the worst though they've done some questionable **** in the past both morally(look above)and intellectually.(trying to take on arguably the strongest of the six races in the eve universe)
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2176	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:06:00 - [23] - Quote Icky! If this is your forum alt, you know what to Blojo. I'm Gallamarrous, I am part gallente part Amarrian, I believe that all my slaves should democratically vote to be enslaved! The Gallente are actually too imperialist for my tastes. Sure I don't like Nationalist Fruit Loops at Caldari State but they are kind of oppressed by the Gallente. The Amarr, throw "questionable past" aside and you have yourself a damn crusade. If anyone is determined it's the amarr.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:07:00 - [24] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire.
Chad Michael Murray The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 57	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:12:00 - [25] - Quote Caldari and Amarr are the evil ones, of course. [;
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2691	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:22:00 - [26] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire. Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well!
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2207	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:31:00 - [27] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire. Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well! Yes they are, and so are the Amarr.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 884	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:33:00 - [28] - Quote Watkins Glen. Boogity boogity boogity.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:33:00 - [29] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire. Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well! They can be from a perspective. If the Gal schools are not teaching critical thinking and openness and acceptance of beliefs and ideas, teaching only one approach or ideology then yes. In essence, without freedom of choice and the ability to dissent then oppression is part of the process. The Federation has cultural variability, and diversity in beliefs so it indicates less oppression than say the Amarr one doctrine one truth method of "education" Edit> Was assimilation ever considered oppressive? I suppose the oppressor rarely see's at such.
OgTheEnigma The Rainbow Effect 165	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:35:00 - [30] - Quote Amarr are religious loonies. That's worse than being evil alone (they are evil as well though).



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