Enslaving, expansionist, religious zealots? The Amarr empire is by far the worst.

Amarr are religious loonies. That's worse than being evil alone (they are evil as well though).

Yeah. Slavery isn't oppressing at all.

But manage to allow a cult of crazed cyborgs in empire systems lol

I would go with Sanshas Nation. Maybe the Blood Raiders.

You mean the Nefantar right?

If by enlighten, you mean indoctrinate.
You know where else we had housing, education, health, and work? In the beautiful peaceful land of Matar. Until the Amarr came that is.

But you're right about freedom gained through hard work. And we Matari will work hard to free all our brothers and sisters who have been enslaved.
Down with the Amarr.

No. YOU know nothing, Jon Snow.

Or should I say, Fake Admanananance.
For I have seen the truth. I have spoken to it. The Rust has shown the way.

First Prophet, the Amarr don't believe the Minmatar are scum at all! We are freeing many Minmatar into the Amarr Empire every day and welcome them with wide arms! It is the traitors who make it their mission to destroy our society that has us up in arms. You won't simply accept your freedom and live in peace.

Also your statement sounded silly because of how forced you made it. The Amarr are the real friends of the Minmatar, just look at all we've done for you. Now look at the Gallente Federation, where there are countless reports of discrimination against your people, even one Gallentean who open fired on a Minmatar festival killing 59 Matari, or a Minmatar student who was attacked by three Gallenteans because of his race and then sentenced to prison for defending himself.

Being "freed" into the Amarr Empire is the same as being a slave. You are still forced to serve the Amarr and that celestial sham you call a religion. Free your slaves to the Republic. That Is the only true freedom for us Minmatar, and it is one we gladly accept. What we do not accept is your false freedom.

Let's see what the Amarr have done for us. They invaded our planet, destroyed our defenses, nearly wiped out the Starkmanir, kidnapped us, enslaved us, forced vitoc on us, forced their religious lies us, nearly made us lose our heritage and culture, and killed those who did not accept the religious lies.

You sure did do a lot of great things for us.

Yes. We matari who would fight for our freedom and independence are scum to you. My point exactly. The only people you welcome are those who are willing to be slaves.

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

The Amarr are in fact oppressors. Just accept it.

((out of character, why not just accept that things aren't as black and white as you originally thought?))

I do not believe that as an Amarrian I am doing anything wrong by aiding the Minmatar in becoming closer to God.

Fool. Oppression is not about lifestyle... it is about choice. Taking away other's choices is oppression.

I personally don't see the standard of living improvement you keep talking about. At least not in the Minmatar.

And I don't see how kidnapping someone from their planet, or killing someone for not accepting your God is NOT cruel, unjust, or burdensome? What do you guys do to slaves who don't want to follow orders? You either kill them or stick 'em with Vitoc. I know you read about Vitoc. How is that not oppressive?

I was saying that out of character.
I haven't found anything in Evelopedia that would suggest the living improvement is all that great. Or any of the things you listed.

Just as the Federation as a whole decided to invade Caldari? Why are you putting this much effort into arguing that case then?

Look, the Amarr Empire expanded it's reach just as the Federation has. We assimilate those we find and bring up their living conditions just as the Federation has. So why is one some monstrous oppressor, while the other is your "best friend?"

Indeed, and while the Amarr have done things I do not agree with they are at least upfront about their intentions

I'll be needing a reference for building up the planets. Because I DOUBT THAT SUPER HARD. Not that it makes a big deal. Losing your freedom on your home is only slightly better than being kidnapped off it.

The majority live in the Republic. But the number of Matari in Gallente areas is pretty close, I'll admit. I don't get why you keep bringing up the Gallente though. I get they're not great. I'M NOT GALLENTE. I'M MINMATAR. I've never said the Minmatar should join the federation. But for the time being, they're okay friends. We can deal with them after we've freed the rest of us from the Empire.

Yeah. Its the trademark Amarr arrogance. :p

which is ironic cause the greatest and most powerful empires through out history had slaves.

Th romens, the aztecs, even america at one point.

And neither the less this was transferred into Dust with the Amar being the first to relearn space flight and (used to) have the largest empire of the 4.

but honestly i don't think that one can truly be free. And me personally can care less about freedom as long as im happy.

signed a wannabe caldari.

Damn, I am so using that (if it is ok with you )

That makes you the most evil.

All I do is make jokes. Lazily too. I'm chaotic neutral at worst.

My thoughts on each race

Caldari:
Intriguingly, the hyper-capitalist government to an extent mimics current "communist" governments such as the late USSR and China. The State takes ownership of all property, service is placed above life, and corruption is rampant.
Also, the Caldari have the widest income gap, as evidenced by the large numbers of Homeless and the extreme wealth of the megacorp CEOs.
Socially, values of honor and tradition are closest to feudal Japan. Mentions of ritual suicide are common, bushido code is enforced on starships, and all members of the State are demanded absolute precision and maximum effort.
Militarily, State warriors are some of the best-regimented soldiers in the universe, and are often hired out as mercenaries to make a few extra ISK. As they are so well-regimented, their weakness lies in unique situations: do something they don't expect, and they won't have the independent thought to counter it with any haste.

Amarr:
Some writings on EVElopedia suggest that the Amarrians splintered off from real-world Catholicism sometime between the discovery of FTL and humanity's arrival to New Eden.
All government is under the control of an Empress, and when one dies another is chosen from a council of the most powerful families in the Empire. Amarrian politics and religion are one and the same within the Empire, and the Empress' word is both holy and the law.
Socially, slavery is encouraged. Status is often based on how many bodies you own, starships are often crewed by them, and obscene measures are taken to control billions of servants.
In military circles, one can never sway an Amarrian. Whether indoctrinated from birth or rendered mindless as a slave, an Amarrian soldier will always have one cause in mind: Glory to the Empress! However, this may make them too stubborn to see an obvious ambush or trap waiting for them...

Gallente:
A constitutional republic, the Gallente Federation promises the ability to go anywhere in life, provided that you can convince the people to back you up.
The Federation government is similar to 21st Century republics like the USA, with separation of powers and an elected President. Unfortunately, term limits do not seem to exist for Gallentean offices, so behind-doors corruption can be very impactful.
Much like modern society, the Gallente likely have a celebrity obsession. Most entertainment in New Eden comes from a Gallente studio, and the ever-popular AURA AI program is based on a Gallente model. Other than that, culture is likely a mosaic of immigrants from other races and independent city-states from the fringes of the cluster.
Military in the Gallente is all about the strength of the team, and no man is left behind. Although this makes for one of the strongest direct-assault armed forces available, guerrilla warfare and division tactics can easily weaken a Gallente advance.

Minmatar:
Former slaves who revolted against the Amarr, Matari have since formed a tribe-based republic promising freedom for their brothers in chains.
Government is led by a council of the largest Tribes, and decisions made by Council vote are final. Tribal ties are almost impossible to corrupt, but this also means that the tribes' emotions can often overwhelm logic. Hence, Matari will often retaliate against any who wrong them, and law enforcement here is one of the harshest in New Eden.
Socially, if you're not in a Tribe, you're not Matari. Thus, the Republic is often xenophobic. Within, rites-of-passage are often used to determine status and a tribal elder's word carries more weight than others'.
Matari military are masters of adaptation, able to create whatever item or strategy is needed, out of whatever is available. The best way to finish off a Matari force is to force them into a predictable situation, such as a bottleneck or corner - but good luck getting them there!


In short:
All of the Four Empires are flawed systems with their own ups and downs, just like a real-world culture. Make a choice carefully.
>Amarr is best avoided unless you're born into a non-slave Amarr family. If you're part of another Empire and see slavers coming, run or fight to the death.
>Caldari is good for perfectionists, but life in the State is extremely unforgiving until you are a CEO.
>Highly-skilled opportunists should look into earning entry into a Matari tribe, but don't expect to have any respect until you're fully initiated.
>The State is good choice for those with charisma, but is kind to all comers nonetheless.

I could replace Gallente with Amarr in the above sentence and it would still be a true statement.

But forcing them to live in one area without leaving said area, beating them to your will, and making them do horrible jobs is.

I wouldnt say all of the second part should be approved, you cant really say there are many caldari homeless since if you arent pulling your weight then you arent caldari strictly speaking, meritocracy and all that you know

Who are you to say I'm not? I've been cutting the red tape setting the Stahl line for months, kk needs money, the merc battle fields want navy grade weapons, getting the railrifles approved for private use has been high on my list since we chased Heth away from ourselves.

Stahl Arms Manufacturing- Made in Kimtoro. We're a subsidiary, founded to handle all infantry related rail manufacturing operations. The Navy pays well but with so much coming off the top as well as the abysmal state Heth left KK in, we're feeling the pinch pretty good.

you hold the title of the worst empire mainly because your the only openly religious biased based society in the game that is playable by people.

if sansha's nation or the black ravens or whatever they are called were an option to be playable, they would hold the title of the worst empire in new eden.

If you want to believe there's a higher power that's fine and no one has a problem with that.

But once you start enslaving and shock whipping people using religion as an excuse, people then take issue with that.
Also, please stop touching the choir boys.

there is only one "why", you do it because you say your god demands it.

Amarr are evil, like the *** they use religion as an excuse for their atrocities. The Amarr make the japanese during WWll look like gentlemen, and they got a letter from the ****'s asking them to tone down.

Clearly Amarr is the best race. We only enslave people try to expand our empire at all costs and enslave everyone trying to speak their opinion.

Get the point?

In a realm of unbiased rational thought, absent from divinity, there is no such thing as "Good" or "Evil", only indifference and ambiguity.

It is only by the presence of The One True Amarr God that True Righteousness exists, and through their adherence and worship of the Amarr God's teachings that the Amarr race distinguishes itself as objectively Good.

Therefore in their absence of faith, even rebellious opposition, so the other, inferior races, denote themselves as being truly Evil.


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