DUST Search - Which race is evil?

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Slag Emberforge wrote:

As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr.

They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so.

With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners.

Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion.

Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire.

Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well!


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Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote Hmmm, something seems off from what I have read the Caldari are the excessively capatalistic state.... you know being governed by corporate interest like the "Bg Eight" The flaw with Gallante is the corruption coupled with the inequality of condition, essentially social stratification. "Everybody is equal, just some are more equal than others" Just like in the real world their are issues with any society, it boils down to a matter of perception and social conditioning as to what we will accept.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:07:00 - [2] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:33:00 - [3] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: As someone who didn't come from EVE I don't know much more about the racial lore than is provided in Dust, but the most self-centered of all the races is pretty clearly spelled out as Amarr. They take what they want because its their deity given right and duty to do so. With that said I had to rally behind minmatar, as they seem to fight for [i]something that matters,[/i ]what had been denied them by their oppressors/owners. Except the Amarr aren't oppressors, I mean unless you consider providing schools and hospitals, food and shelter, oppressing. But I understand you only know what it told to you in Dust, so it makes sense that you would come to this conclusion. Actually the use of those tools in the practice of oppression is actually common. For example schools have (in the real world) been used as a tool of assimilation and genocide. When the Amarr build a school, is the intended use teaching or indoctrinating? Would an enslaved race be taught to only see things in the "Light" of the Empire. Darn, so no assimilation is considered oppressing? Guess the Gallente are big time oppressors as well! They can be from a perspective. If the Gal schools are not teaching critical thinking and openness and acceptance of beliefs and ideas, teaching only one approach or ideology then yes. In essence, without freedom of choice and the ability to dissent then oppression is part of the process. The Federation has cultural variability, and diversity in beliefs so it indicates less oppression than say the Amarr one doctrine one truth method of "education" Edit> Was assimilation ever considered oppressive? I suppose the oppressor rarely see's at such.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:46:00 - [4] - Quote Goro Scornshard wrote: Don't go thinking that the Gallente are all sweetness and light, check out this story on EVElopedia https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle) lol link goes to a blank page Though I must say not a big fan of the Gal either, really on a personal level none of the factions really appeal to me.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 218	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:33:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Goro Scornshard wrote: Don't go thinking that the Gallente are all sweetness and light, check out this story on EVElopedia https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle) lol link goes to a blank page Though I must say not a big fan of the Gal either, really on a personal level none of the factions really appeal to me. Link goes to blank page because (Chronicle) doesn't get included in the hyperlink for whatever reason. yay internets "Education" can also apply to the Gal system as well as the Cal and Min as well. Certainly from the point of view of each faction their way of life is better. The limited room for dissent within the Amarr is a different form of control than the stratification in the Gal Fed, or the ideals of meritocracy espoused within the Cal, they all amount to forms of social control, and help fuel the conflicts in New Eden.... which is good, because i would hate to play an accounting game
Llast 326 An Arkhos 221	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:43:00 - [6] - Quote There does not seem to be as much info about the Caldari out there, or I am not looking in the right places. Perhaps more under corporations?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 222	Posted - 2013.10.11 01:32:00 - [7] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Forward thinking from a bit of AmarroganceGäó :p Fixed that
Llast 326 An Arkhos 222	Posted - 2013.10.11 01:38:00 - [8] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Llast 326 wrote: First Prophet wrote: Forward thinking from a bit of AmarroganceGäó :p Fixed that Damn, I am so using that (if it is ok with you ) Surprised that never came up before lol
Llast 326 An Arkhos 229	Posted - 2013.10.11 20:38:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I don't recall ever squadding with you. And we're not attacking you, we're attacking these false claims you have been making. Amarr don't beat their slaves, that is a fact. Anyone who does is a criminal, and I'm sure there are criminals in every society. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slavery This part may be relevant to the discussion "Methods of Control Most slaves in the Empire are controlled simply by violence or the threat of such. Overseers constantly patrol slave populations, making sure they are doing work and not misbehaving. Slaves who are not doing as they should may be beaten, isolated, denied sufficient or high quality food and water, or punished in some other methods.[29] However, some slave populations, such as those working on space ships or in dangerous mining colonies, or particularly troublesome and rebellious slaves, require more stringent methods. In recent years, the most popular form of slave control has been the Vitoc method. The Vitoc method involves two steps. First, a slave is infected with a viral agent known as Vitoxin. Next, the slave is given a drug known as Vitoc. Vitoc not only staves off the multitude of physical effects of Vitoxin, it also induces mild euphoria. In this way, slaves can come to regard the Vitoc as a reward rather than a method of control.[15] This method was widely used by the time of the Elder War, which led to widespread chaos when Insorum, a permanent cure to Vitoxin, was deployed over slave worlds. The slaves, freed of their addiction, rebelled and joined the invaders against the Amarr.[18] With the advent of Insorum, older methods of control have begun to regain popularity. Slave collars are a bulky piece of equipment that fits around a slave's neck. The collars are fitted with needles filled with a variety of chemicals, some deadly, others merely incapacitating. If necessary, overseers can remotely trigger the slave collars and inflict whatever punishment is deemed appropriate.[9] Transcranial microcontrollers have seen limited use throughout the Empire. These small chips convince those implanted that they are experiencing a variety of situations; with slaves, this is typically to convince them they are not enslaved.[30] For many years, the chips were not used due to cost[31], but following the failure of Vitoc, they came into wider use. However, they are considered controversial in the Empire, as many believe they undermine the religious reasons the Amarr keep slaves.[32] The slaver hound, a large canid, is often used on plantations and planetary populations. The animals, a native of Syrikos V, are typically allowed to roam free outside of fenced in areas. They are often trained to view slaves, particularly those running, as prey. Their mere presence dissuades slaves from attempting escape, as they can easily outrun a man and are intelligent enough to ambush prey.[13]"