I am an AR scrub who wants this game to be nothing more than cod in space. I believe the AR is the only viable wepon ad the improved hit detection and aim assist have finally allowd me to twich shoot most other suits to death in kes than 2 seconds. I much prefer this kind of twich and skill less game play, as I lack the fundamental skills to strafe and utalise cover effectively. I would even go as far to say my AR isnt quite powerfull enough as I cant solo HAVs with it. CCP please fix it so I can. Also any other AR scrubs who fancy backing me up on turning this game into COD514 then please sign bello so CCP dosent take away our win button.

At least you can admit it.

Attention: all those who don't want the assault rifle to be needed, unless we protest, and post our opinions in our own threads, I promise CCP will nerf the assault rifle. If you really care, post your own opinions on your own threads. As of right now, more people are protesting for the assault rifle nerf than against it. If you are against it, don't just sit there, let your voice be heard.



In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way. Now you can respond to this, but make sure you most your own threads too. If you don't, I fear CCP will not hear your voice. I'm not asking you to spam I the place up, just post your own thread on your opinion on why you don't want the assault rifle to be nerfed.

Misquoting is both quite immature and rude. Its would be nothing like COD. I've played shooters where the assault rifle was one of the worst weapon to choose from. That being said, not many people played it because of this. The assault rifle isnt a noon thing more than the shotguns and mass drivers are. Anyways, I have invested in all weapons. I'm at least standard in all of them. The assault is is always wut I turn to. It serves its purpose well.

Attention: all those who don't want the assault rifle to be needed, unless we protest, and post our opinions in our own threads, I promise CCP will nerf the assault rifle. If you really care, post your own opinions on your own threads. As of right now, more people are protesting for the assault rifle nerf than against it. If you are against it, don't just sit there, let your voice be heard.



In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way. Now you can respond to this, but make sure you most your own threads too. If you don't, I fear CCP will not hear your voice. I'm not asking you to spam I the place up, just post your own thread on your opinion on why you don't want the assault rifle to be nerfed.

In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way.

AR still seems balanced as far as im concerned..

just go nerf the damage mods for it.

the only thing to blame there would be damage mods...

ppl were saying its too accurate at hip fire...

ill fix that with some smartness..

THIS IS NOT COD U STUPID IDIOT!..

sure hip fire is a little accurate while crouched but aren't all weapons more accurate while crouched?.

its the precision of the player that uses its not that accurate at longer ranges...

it has some drawbacks...

its a galente assault rifle.

one of the only galente weapons we have currently...


we have the amarr scrambler rifle.
and the rapid fire assault version which both function very similar to the tac ar and the regular rapid fire ar..


we should all wait until ALL or MOST of the different racial weaponry is released..

i still have noticed much gameplay wise since 1.4 update..

my gameplay style hasnt really changed at all...

other than my mlt tank just isnt as deadly now...

due to swarm launcher buff..

most of the kills of gotten with the ar currently have just been out of smg range...

the smg can still do damage at the range ive been using the ar at but not as much...

the ar needs to have a longer range than the smg and the hmg...

in order to combat those very powerful cqc guns...

it still seems balanced as far as im concerned..

just go nerf the damage mods for it..

its a relatively decent gun with good versatility of course for the std assault rifle would be in the middle all alot of the classes..
breach ar for cqc fights tac for longer ranges and reg ar for most effectiveness in mid range...

which also has the ability to do pretty decent in cqc and longer ranges but not too effective..


the only thing to blame there would be damage mods...

and med suits that can normally get over 800 armor or more than 500 shields when fitted in a certain way...

sure hip fire is a little accurate while crouched but aren't all weapons more accurate while crouched?.

It needs its range nerfed down by a lot. Like A LOT.

The range isnt the reason most people have a problem, its the dps. Anyways it seems to me that those who have always wanted the assault rifle nerfed are finding a perfect excuse as to why. That way, their mass drivers/other guns they arent good at using are stronger than the ar and therefore, easier to lose. ITS A WAR GAME, EXPECT TO BE KILLED!!

The game is dead as long as the AR (and to some extent, all hitscan weapons) stay as they are .

This is a fact. Look at the numbers at eve offline.

If you would like to continue to be able to play Dust, you should be supporting an AR nerf, an AA nerf, and removal of hitscan altogether.

I knew some random idiot like you would try to push this angle.
It's always 'DUST WILL DIE IF U DUNT NERF DIS WEPUN!!!!11!!one!'

AR is one of the guns I am specced into, and you know what kills me the most in game?

FORGE GUNS and SHOTGUNS, not AR

The AR is getting nerfed in 1.5 anyways (some versions anyways) I belive its recoil should be higher then it is and LOL at the person claiming its DPS is better then a FG lol 37 or so hp per round compared to over 1500 hpfor a FG shot? Yeah the AR out damages there doesnt it?

do any of u ppl even no the difference between accuracy and precision?...

lower level ar rnt op...

majority of the other guns r better than the ar. in their specific situation..

the ar is designed for multiple situations..

its one of those adapt to current scenario guns...

and back to accuracy in precision just for ppl who dont know...


precision is basically the grouping of the guns shots..

accuracy is pretty much just the ability to hit your target..

and its not spray and pray with perfect accuracy..

what i have noticed with some of the hit detection is that it looks like it will need tweaking as your reticule can by a little off of the target or while ads pointed close to the target and ull get the hits in..

the other guns r still deadly even with out damage mods more deadly than an ar...

so why should a well balanced gun be given an unbalancing drawback?

u still have to reload even after firing a single round because if u get caught with less than 60 rounds in your ar you r dead..

this is a futuristic and chaotic universe..

we have power armor!.

so why complain with a single gun just because its used more than other guns?

its the most common because its the first gun most new players start out with..

and its not a problem since every1 has and can use an ar...

these nerf ar theads are just like the remove free lav threads...


and every other nerf thread..

the point remains that the assault rifle currently can be countered by everything..

if a gun cant be countered by anything then its op..but if it is countered by everything quite easily its not op...

ar is fine..just because it can kill your precious proto doesnt mean its op... and to state true facts here from my current gameplay and matches ive had currently i really havnt seen any reason as to why the ar is op...

because game play is still essentially the same...as in 1.3 except the laser got better again.. and lets stop with the dbs crap as it doesnt determine anything all it does is give the highest possible damage the weapon can reach...

and this dps can never truly be reached in any of the games unless your target stands still...

so stop whining..

and give proper feed back instead of crying about weapon that majority of the players have always used in the beginning and have..

and learn how to stop running into gunfire.. if u can learn how to not run into direct gunfire from a bunch of other players with guns like yours..
then u r on step one to surviving in dust 514..

At least you can admit it.

I will be rude when i say this, but you don't know the difference between the AR's non existant drawbacks compared to some of the huge drawbacks of other guns. the sniper rifle is suppose to be a weapon to be feared, the damage is only around 219 for the ishukone and the charge is only around 310 or so. compared to what the suits can get to now, it's not the weapon it could be. the sniper is not feared if you have well over 350+ HP, which is very easy to come by. the AR right now is easy mode when compared to red line sniping, and that is just sad when i have to say that.

let me make a list of advantages for the AR:
-range of the LR and SmR
-DPS of the SMG and HMG (with their dispersion)
-accuracy and precision of the sniper rifle
-doesn't suffer much from kick, recoil and overheat like the HMG, laser and scam rifle

list of drawbacks:
-can't think of any that is noticible

people don't run into gun fire, they look around first and see what they can use, but when faced with an AR user, only have less then 3-5 seconds to act or get behind cover. all this is from personal experience as a scout meant to avoid direct fights. i think you need to clean your eyes out and see what is really happening in the game rather then just blindly follow the trend and defend what is clearly broken. ALL weapons need some drawbacks to them that makes other weapons viable while still keeping the broken weapon useable. i don't want to hear what each weapon does in it's niche as the AR clearly dominates them in their roles, as I used the AR against all and came out on top and only lost to someone using a higher tier AR. this game is catering to AR users more then any other players

You understand the S in DPS stands for per second right? Not shot.

This is why we can't have a nice game. AR users are the stupid majority.

I think some of this is off base, how about less damage to armor? 60 round clip? 300 total ammo? Sharshooter skill that has to be leveled? Range the same as the laser rifle? Totally untrue..... The ar has drawbacks for sure, I use all weapons in the game but I have ar fully speced, I think the problem is aim assist and you dying combine to make this qq storm. Most good players on here are ar users, the problem is the same as with the cal logi suits that they nerfed, competent people using the same weapon doing most of the killing means it must be the weapon. Can't be me...... Can't be that I suck, its the suit, or gun, or module, can't be aim assist, nope its the gun, nerf it, ccp stays chasing its tail with nerfs and buffs because of this behavior right here. Every build something is op, the sub will be next, you people who do this type of crying are just bad, and after you get raped on the next build it will be something else.

You understand the S in DPS stands for per second right? Not shot.

This is why we can't have a nice game. AR users are the stupid majority.

lol oh that's funny, my only concern is...this game takes place how many thousands of years in the future? Why the hell do assault rifles still exist, seems pretty archaic. I would think the standard weapon of the future would be like a particle beam or something. Anyway the assault rifle has long range and deals alot of damage, accept that. Anyone would say it needs a nerf but I just think other guns need a buff for their specific roles, shotgun definitely needs more range, smgs should definitely have higher dps in their range, etc. It's amazing that dps actually matters now that you can pretty much hit people with every shot.

The ar is a plasma weapon dude, that's pretty futuristic, don't think we got those yet, the range is very specific, and you only land everyshot if the target is to stupid to move the left analog stick left and right or backwards and forwards as they are being shot. I don't get how you all can't see this became a problemmafter we got aa? Its not the weapons it baddys and aim assist.

Oh, it was definitely a problem before AA. It just took AA for more people to wake up.

ok so if these are futuristic guns, shouldn't they all not have recoil, kick, dispersion, range? shouldn't they have laser scopes and other future tech? a shotgun in the future should be able to shoot out all pellets at once in a straight line without moving left, right, up and down. don't use future as the basis. if the AR is plasma based, why it is firing bullets instead of light? no logic at all

Your kind of slow eh?

At least you can admit it.

It's better then a Every heavy weapon.

It's OP.

Why are we still discussing its OPness?

how am i slow? this is dust which is set in the future, right?

No its not OP its the AA combined with hit detection. Crappy players can suddenly shoot straight which is causing everyone grief. CCP just needs to take away AA and make crappy players crappy again.

Ya but plasma doesn't mean shooting light, considering how fast the plasma round travels how could you possibly discern bullet from plasma? You can't bc on top of it being the future its also a game, this is how it is atm.....

Attention: all those who don't want the assault rifle to be needed, unless we protest, and post our opinions in our own threads, I promise CCP will nerf the assault rifle. If you really care, post your own opinions on your own threads. As of right now, more people are protesting for the assault rifle nerf than against it. If you are against it, don't just sit there, let your voice be heard.



In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way. Now you can respond to this, but make sure you most your own threads too. If you don't, I fear CCP will not hear your voice. I'm not asking you to spam I the place up, just post your own thread on your opinion on why you don't want the assault rifle to be nerfed.

That's the worst excuse against a nerf that I've ever heard!

The range isnt the reason most people have a problem, its the dps. Anyways it seems to me that those who have always wanted the assault rifle nerfed are finding a perfect excuse as to why. That way, their mass drivers/other guns they arent good at using are stronger than the ar and therefore, easier to lose. ITS A WAR GAME, EXPECT TO BE KILLED!!

so please explain why the FLaylock was nerfed?

its a war game, and it killed people. Flaylockers never complained about ARs.

in fact before 1.4 there was very little complaint about ARs. but, ARs have been complaining endlessly since chromosome. thats why they need a nerf. there is really nothing left to nerf.

in fact AR users are now trying to double nerf guns like the MD. enough is enough. get nerfed scrub.

It's better then a Every heavy weapon.

It's OP.

Why are we still discussing its OPness?

If you want more information on why it is OP and needs a nerf I have the official thread right here.
If you want ARs nerfed support this thread. link your own articles here:

The official nerf AR thread with links and Math

The flaylock was nerfed because you barely had to aim to kill the target. The splash area was excessively large and it did enough damage in that zone to make accurate aiming unnecessary. The damage itself was plenty enough to wreck most suits in one clip as well, which could be fired off within a second.

Also, 'there is really nothing left to nerf' is a terrible reason for a nerf. How can you bash on someone for having bad reasoning and then come up with that?

flaylock was nerfed due to a single group of individual players completely annihilating everything solo...


getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but flaylocks...

so yeah it was op... it can still kill decently though just not annihilate an entire team solo...

let me show you something;

the galente assault rifle needs to be nerfed due to a groups of individual players completely annihilating everything solo...


getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but ARs...

so yeah it is op... it can kill even better with 1.4 and obliterate entire team solo...

^^this is the current game. the same reason you wanted the flaylocks nerfed is the same reason we want the AR nerfed.

thank you.
with the new Aim Assist, and hit detection you barely have to aim with an AR. And in 15 bullets which is 25% of a clip you can kill any suit with less than 500 ehp. A militia AR can kill a proto heavy with 1591 ehp in 3.4 seconds. So, by your own reason the flaylock was "OP" the AR was and still is very OP and needs a nerf in fact the milita AR can kill your average heavy with 1100 ehp in 2.2 seconds out o 50m. a flaylock could never do that...lol

also, the fact that eveything is vastly inferior to the AR is enough reason to nerf it. flaylock and other guns were nerfed for less.

as a side note the flaylock only had three rounds in its clip and only needed a fire rate reduction. but even as it was it still only excelled in CQC, where ARs are not supposed to excel.

so please explain why the FLaylock was nerfed?

its a war game, and it killed people. Flaylockers never complained about ARs.

in fact before 1.4 there was very little complaint about ARs. but, ARs have been complaining endlessly since chromosome. thats why they need a nerf. there is really nothing left to nerf.

in fact AR users are now trying to double nerf guns like the MD. enough is enough. get nerfed scrub.

Attention: all those who don't want the assault rifle to be needed, unless we protest, and post our opinions in our own threads, I promise CCP will nerf the assault rifle. If you really care, post your own opinions on your own threads. As of right now, more people are protesting for the assault rifle nerf than against it. If you are against it, don't just sit there, let your voice be heard.



In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way. Now you can respond to this, but make sure you most your own threads too. If you don't, I fear CCP will not hear your voice. I'm not asking you to spam I the place up, just post your own thread on your opinion on why you don't want the assault rifle to be nerfed.

actually i was in a match where that actually happened...

fundies was doing all the damn killing with dual flaylocks...


was not fun at all....

could not do anything to counter against it i only managed to kill him once or twice....

thus my support of the flaylock nerf...

how am i slow? this is dust which is set in the future, right?

im starting to hate all this posting im playing a different game....

and on forums at same time..lol
its starting to get confusing but legandarys own copy of my post only proves he is running out of things to fight back with...

as for flaylocks i had no problem with them at first it was only until players starting fitting 2 flaylocks on the same suit which was the op part of it all...


1 flaylock wasnt really horribly annoying but the double flaylocks with continues fire was...

8 rounds fired extremely fast... only seemed to be the core flaylock doing all of the killing though...

nerfing fused by reducing the number to 1 wasnt a very good solution..

and i kinda prefer dieing to those instead of cooked m1 and core locus nades... im still surprised the m1 and core locus have stayed under the radar for so long with their special ability to ohk almost any suit... i guess its because they r nades and most ppl dont pay attention to the nade spam

I used ars a lot and have made anti nerf posts for them but aa and hot detection fixes have made it op
People used to pray and spray and hit 30% ,or take 1-2 seconds to aim and hit 60-70% now it auto aims instantly and people hit 80-90%
Now it's just spray and perfect accuracy insta win

I don't understand this argument... what in the world is fair anyway. In the real world, you use the best thing you can get your hands on, and trust me life is in no way fair or balanced. If presently the AR is the best way for you to kill someone then great. If tomorrow its not then oh well. There will always be a variety of ways to kill someone in this game, but fair never really comes into the equation.

Adapt, overcome.

The problem I have with that is the fact that nerfing the range would render the tactical and burst variants virtually useless. It would be suicidal to use.

It needs its range nerfed down by a lot. Like A LOT.

Turrets are the types of weapons we are carrying and their ranges and operations are well defined. Scroll down through the lists of turrets and read the descriptions and about the ranges. I think the problems we have form the ARs is the optimal range is too far out and when newer rifles are added the ranges will need to be changed. The blaster rifles we have now should out range CQC weapons but not go much farther than the beginning of medium range. I don't mind the DPS because they are blasters and should really do their job well.

CQC weapons are light, rifles are medium and heavy weapons are large. Blasters are on the short end of medium but our ARs now take the entire medium range. Something is going to have to change to make the blaster AR do what it is supposed to.

let me show you something;

the galente assault rifle needs to be nerfed due to a groups of individual players completely annihilating everything solo...


getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but ARs...

so yeah it is op... it can kill even better with 1.4 and obliterate entire team solo...

^^this is the current game. the same reason you wanted the flaylocks nerfed is the same reason we want the AR nerfed.

Nice try, but I've yet to be in a battle where somebody gets 50-70 kills with any weapon. And most people don't go in solo with the assault rifle. That's probably the stupidest move you can make with any weapon, as you will get raped by sheer numbers guaranteed.

Nobody has gotten such a number of kills period with any weapon. I don't care how much you whine about how OP it is, that's impossible to get such a number of kills. And nobody goes solo and slaughters everybody with an assault rifle. That's too stupid to do even with a prototype assault rifle.


The problem that I've recently noticed has nothing to do with the gun, it has to do with the range at which auto aim takes effect. The distance is too high

Iv done this on my alt who is skilled into ARs. Next time I get 50+ kills in a skirm i'll take a picture for ya

Idiots, they're already nerfing the AR behind your backs. Haven't you noticed the changes in kick, dispersion, shorter optimal range and damage? You've been nerfed and haven't even noticed yet.

Out of curiosity, I'd like to see that. However, I will dismiss it to be mad skill, and nothing more.

I'll be honest, it doesnt happen everyday, but I usually go around 20 - 30 kills a game on my alt with the AR. I'll try extra hard to get 50+ kills just for you though!

I'll be honest, it doesnt happen everyday, but I usually go around 20 - 30 kills a game on my alt with the AR. I'll try extra hard to get 50+ kills just for you though!

Nice try, but I've yet to be in a battle where somebody gets 50-70 kills with any weapon. And most people don't go in solo with the assault rifle. That's probably the stupidest move you can make with any weapon, as you will get raped by sheer numbers guaranteed.

Nobody has gotten such a number of kills period with any weapon. I don't care how much you whine about how OP it is, that's impossible to get such a number of kills. And nobody goes solo and slaughters everybody with an assault rifle. That's too stupid to do even with a prototype assault rifle.


The problem that I've recently noticed has nothing to do with the gun, it has to do with the range at which auto aim takes effect. The distance is too high

Either the AR needs a nerf or heavies need a giant buff.

I've noticed quite the opposite actually. And if they have changed the dispersion and kick, then it really adds more reason as to why they shouldn't be nerfed.

It's better then a Every heavy weapon.

It's OP.

Why are we still discussing its OPness?

You're forgetting the fact that the AR is a placeholder. Back in beta it was the only option for the game's workhorse generalist weapon. Every race is supposed to have their own rifles based on their combat philosophies:

Amarr = Mid range, moderate RoF/DPS laser damage type for brawling.
Minmarar = Mid range, high RoF, moderate DPS projectile damage for skirmishing.
Caldari = Mid/long range, moderate RoF, high alpha hybrid damage type for skirmishing.
Gallente = Short/mid range, moderate RoF, high DPS hybrid damage type for brawling.

You have a weapon that has long range, moderate/high RoF, and high DPS but none of the weaknesses. When the Minmatar and Caldari rifles come out the current AR is going to be re-balanced to it's own racial traits. In a way it's not even really a nerf since you're getting two more rifles to use. The rifle is always going to be the workhorse of this game but you just get more options.

I don't understand this argument... what in the world is fair anyway. In the real world, you use the best thing you can get your hands on, and trust me life is in no way fair or balanced. If presently the AR is the best way for you to kill someone then great. If tomorrow its not then oh well. There will always be a variety of ways to kill someone in this game, but fair never really comes into the equation.

Adapt, overcome.

Sure, when all racial "AR-like" weapons are released, present AR should have it's range nerfed to allow other weapons to fill that role, and to be a true Gallente weapon (short range - high DPS).

However, many people think that the situation where you have a "placeholder" weapon in one weapon group, but no such thing in other isn't a balanced/fair approach. Even more so when the other group has an almost complete lack of options anyway. Of course, I'm talking about HMG, which is anything but a placeholder weapon.

Sure, when all racial "AR-like" weapons are released, present AR should have it's range nerfed to allow other weapons to fill that role, and to be a true Gallente weapon (short range - high DPS).

However, many people think that the situation where you have a "placeholder" weapon in one weapon group, but no such thing in other isn't a balanced/fair approach. Even more so when the other group has an almost complete lack of options anyway. Of course, I'm talking about HMG, which is anything but a placeholder weapon.

It's better then a Every heavy weapon.

It's OP.

Why are we still discussing its OPness?

Not a placeholder, but just bad design choices. I don't know what CCP really wants the HMG to be anymore. They won't have a clear picture until we get the other racial suits and more weapons so the class can be balanced within itself instead of scaled down to the standards of lighter frames and weapons.

DO NOT NERF ARs, NERF THE FLUXING AIM ASSIST!!!!

It's isn't ARs that need to be nerfed, but just aim assist. In fact I went back to using my LR to see if it had aim assistance as well. I went 32/4 that day. You wanna know why?

Because I didn't even have to try to aim, as it would just move on it's on, regardless of whether or not I was using ADS.

Stop catering to noobs and people who don't know how to play. If you can't aim and get the kill by yourself, then you don't deserve a kill.. This (I think) is one of the reasons why ppl like 13ear are leaving (not that they matter that much), but still It's annoying when some noob with a militia AR kills me from halfway across the battlefield without even trying to aim.

Yes because heavies cant use the assault rifle? This is how dumb people are, this fool says a certain WEAPON should be nerfed or a certain SUIT class buffed, what in the hell does one have to do with the other?

how am i slow? this is dust which is set in the future, right?

Everything, to be able to balance, has to be compared against something else. To the best of my knowledge, the AR is the weapon they use for that purpose. Since it is the most common weapon, by choice, it gives a large enough sample size to be able to ignore the disparity in ability between those players using it, and focus on the relative effectiveness of other weapons. This means that you should never buff/nerf that weapon as it would cause all data gathered up to that point to become useless. However, you should use it as justification to buff/nerf other weapons in relation to it so as to bring about the balance everyone is so desirous of.

In short, don't nerf the AR, buff those weapons that are underperforming against it in situations where that shouldn't be the case. Such as a LR at long range or an SMG up close. From my experiences, both of those weapons have a better than average chance to take me out with my fully specc'd AR fits under those circumstances. But again, it generally comes down to the awareness and ability of my opponent to force me into the kind of battle they want, and my ability to stay out of those situations.

While I like the idea even this view is not dynamic enough to understand true balance, for one thing the smg up close is simply to simplistic of a view, you must look at factors that simply cant be expressed with values on a spread sheet. For example the sub is a SECONDARY weapon not a primary and if it consistently under performs against an AR can we not say that is somewhat expected? Also your sample is badly skewed in that we are not viewing competitive samples of equal strength, thos who use the AR as it stands are the majority, meaning they will be the best players in the game, have been playing the longest, and have the most skill points so this weapon tends to be found on the field fully maxed, meaning 5 points into sharpshooter, 5 points into proficiency, and also having the core skills to carry enough cpu and pg to stack multiple damage mods on a proto suit. You could play dust all day and not run into someone who has the equivalent of that in a laser rifle or scrambler rifle. Also this weapon does more damage against shields than armor which will change the way a armor heavy sentinel deals with an ar vs a shield heavy caldari. There are so many things that go into this opinion of balance, and thats all it is, thats its nearly impossible to discern balance as long as we think of balance as equal. Dps is another commonly used number to prove imbalance and this is simply not complete, but because we have so many number nerd transplants from eve it is the only way they know how to communicate their frustration with failure at just not being that good, because is the most over looked variable in combat, player skill. It very much reminds me of an athlete blaming his opponents shoes for his own lack of success, it cant be him, it must be the shoes... Balance should never be equal, it should simply mean a given set of strengths and weaknesses that arise under diffrent parameters, paired with diffrent suits and in diffrent situations lead to varied outcomes, some of these strenghts and weaknesses should be given set values, others however should not. Often times when you find your self being completely owned look around at some of those other variables, it might not be the gun, it could just be you.......

Range and dps are the problem and lore wise gallente tech is close range high dammage blasters . The dps wouldent be so ridiculous if it was say 20dps lower and had a 20max range nerf this would bring it in line with traditional galente lore and allow other rufles that were designed to be more effetive at range compaird to the ar I mean an ar shouldent out dps a lazer or scrambler rifle at medium to long range but because of the aim assist and better hd allong with its tighter spread it dose.

No its not OP its the AA combined with hit detection. Crappy players can suddenly shoot straight which is causing everyone grief. CCP just needs to take away AA and make crappy players crappy again.

Lol your mad? How about get better? That's the answer, as for the fl pistol, once again for the slow, its a S I D E A R M, which means its not a primary, that's WHY it was nerfed.

hi i got this game today becuz i wuz bored i realy liek it becuz it iz like halo and cod in space i start and i kill ppl like mad with my AR

Nerfing core mechanics aren't the awnser!

It isn't. Stop your crusade to make DUST even more of a chore.

Perhaps, you need to come up to console standards instead of asking us to come down to PC standards

I don't want to see anything nerfed, I thought flaylocks were fine, as far as 50 70 kills , killing whole team blah blah that's all lies and you know it.

The ar thanks to the aim assist and improved hit detection can just about out dps a hmg but of course its not op. An ar can out dps a lazer rifle outside the ars optimum range but its not op.. the ar has next to no spread and can also out dps a scrambker rifle at the scramblers optimum range but its not op. The ar has a higher dps than an equivalent forge gun but its not op. The list goes on . The ar now is the most unbalanced wepon in the game as it fills roles of niech wepons better than they can. The only thing ars cant kill anymore are vehicles and instalations . If you cant see the logic then your bloody well blind and cant do math simples.

The AR is a light weapon so why does it outgun HMGs?

I'm really not seeing the same results. I have ARs, scrambler rifles, laser rifles, HMGs, and mass drivers. They are all very effective when used to their strengths. I switch between them in matches depending on what is needed. I don't have any trouble at all with the HMG and usually chew up several ARs in a row before getting brought down. On my logi fittings I run an SMG because I find it more effective for CQC. Laser rifles can easily tear down anything before it gets close enough to be a threat.

Note: this is excluding proto because most all the proto stuff is overpowered. If you are referring to Duvolles, then yes they are OP. But to be fair so is anything Freedom, Boundless, etc, etc.

My entire argument hinges on the law of large numbers. The bigger a sample size, the more generalizations you can make. Nerfing the AR would invalidate all data compiled for "balancing" and would require collecting yet another sample size which can never be as large or accurate in interpretation as having left it alone.

The goal would be to get every weapon where it is desired in regard to comparability to the AR, then implement the racial variants in order to "flesh out" and "nerf" the overall AR we are currently using.

EDIT: And I don't have anything in mind other than the results of the 1-on-1 stats using weapon v weapon, which they have access to. You see a large enough sample size, and you can just about predict anything within a few % of actual results. Law of large numbers works for insurance, works for science, and works for most anything. Its why you can't normally make any predictions when you have a sample size of 5, but you can with a sample size of 5 million since all variables will inevitably cancel each other out and an accurate baseline can be established.

I am not a numbers junky in Dust or EvE. What many of you fail to realize is that skills are increasing daily. As the AR was the first mainstay weapon in the game, of course they SEEM overpowered, now. Wait until three months down the road, all of you same individuals, will be crying foul against the Scrambler Rifle, mark my words.

Your arguments are crap. I die far more often to proto and advanced lasers, snipers and scramblers nowadays than to a DuVolle. I can't count the times I have been pinned down with my GEK, unable to counter these weapons and screaming across comms for someone to please deal with the f'ing (insert above weapon of choice), or wishing I had a GLU. And many of these are simply advanced models.

Give it three months and this will be far worse, as these newly released weapons gather the following and skill investment they deserve. As a Logi, I need a versatile weapon, which the assault rifle fills, in three or four subsets. Yes, I should be at a SLIGHT disadvantage inside the niche weapons forte area. I usually am. That's where skill comes in. Again, as the most widely used weapon out there, it doesn't take much brains to figure out that is what most people are SKILLED at, now.

Name any modern army that uses a grenade launcher as it's mainstay weapon.. Or a sniper rifle.. Or a shotgun.. If they did, they would be slaughtered in their first serious battle. Those weapons are niche in real life, too. Because they simply don't do what a good old fashioned rapid fire machine gun does. Whether it is slinging 9mm chunks of lead or something similar, superheated to plasma.

You all nerfed the heavy machine gunner into a joke. A reasonable facsimile of a chain gun would not only mow down an armored warrior, but, the forest he was hiding in. Now a Heavy Gunner is afraid to run across the road, because the truth is, he's in a slow boat to hell. Now you've taken aim at the AR. Stop screaming nerf the ****, and let CCP work on balance. Or the weapons they release in the future are gonna be the future nerf it threads.

Attention: all those who don't want the assault rifle to be needed, unless we protest, and post our opinions in our own threads, I promise CCP will nerf the assault rifle. If you really care, post your own opinions on your own threads. As of right now, more people are protesting for the assault rifle nerf than against it. If you are against it, don't just sit there, let your voice be heard.



In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way. Now you can respond to this, but make sure you most your own threads too. If you don't, I fear CCP will not hear your voice. I'm not asking you to spam I the place up, just post your own thread on your opinion on why you don't want the assault rifle to be nerfed.

All of those that want the Assault Rifle to be nerfed are nothing but COD fanboys. Don't the lot of you get it? It's an Assault Rifle! Not a submachine gun! Of course it should do the damage that it does! Why not complain more about the scrambler rifles that are deadlier than the Assault Rifles? Jeese! What, you want this game to be like COD or any other cheap game? No? Then don't whine about things that are perfect the way they are. I'm a full out heavy and don't use Assault Rifles, but I completely disagree with this whole nerfing thing. Learn to play, take things like a man, and stop trying to turn a good game into a lame game.

I lied.. Screw crunching numbers! They don't mean crap IN the game, too many variables! Play the game and stop looking at spreadsheets.. The reality is Scramblers are more of a threat on the horizon than the leveled out statistics with regard to the AR. ALOT of people are good with an AR, now. Wait until ALOT of people are good with the newly released weapons. Then the crying is goinna start all over. Get over the fact that there is a mainstream weapon that competes with every other weapon, that's the way REAL combat is... Why is it common sense has to take a back seat to senseless fantasizing about things that simply aren't realistic? What do you propose as a mainstream weapon? There MUST be one.. Call it what you like, combat rifle, assault rifle, scrambler rifle, bolt gun, gotcha gun.. Unless war changes in some untoward manner in the next 10 centuries, there will still be one. No amount of whining is gonna change it.

Really, I hear the COD references all the time, what is your alternative? BF, nope, they have a mainstream weapon, Halo? No thanks, cheesey ass game.. You offer complaints, but, your complaints seem grounded very much in FEELINGS, as well.

I lied.. Screw crunching numbers! They don't mean crap IN the game, too many variables! Play the game and stop looking at spreadsheets..

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The AR is a light weapon so why does it outgun HMGs?

many hmg users do poorly because of failure, to put them selves in the correct range I am not the best player but a decent heavy at close range kills me plenty. It has more to do with those complaining sucking at this game. As for your ascertion that the hmg does not always win against an ar why in the hell do you think its supposed to? They are both PRIMARY weapons, and the ar can be carried by a heavy, is a proto assault with a proto ar not supposed to be able to compete??

all be liberals, sometimes you just have to suffer with bad decisions, there is no bail out, no nerf, heavys are big, but not to big to fail. Get better and stop crying or go play anyone of the other new games out there that lets everyone be fair and equal......

AR is fine, learn to counter it.

I'd rather have the AR be perpetually OP than have some other weapon get nerfed as a result of CCP's attempts to "rebalance" based on community complaints.

The AR is really not that hard to counter, maybe consider not standing still when shooting? or actually using cover? it helps.

Also just to clarify, I am NOT an AR user.

All of those that want the Assault Rifle to be nerfed are nothing but COD fanboys. Don't the lot of you get it? It's an Assault Rifle! Not a submachine gun! Of course it should do the damage that it does! Why not complain more about the scrambler rifles that are deadlier than the Assault Rifles? Jeese! What, you want this game to be like COD or any other cheap game? No? Then don't whine about things that are perfect the way they are. I'm a full out heavy and don't use Assault Rifles, but I completely disagree with this whole nerfing thing. Learn to play, take things like a man, and stop trying to turn a good game into a lame game.

AR is fine, learn to counter it.

I'd rather have the AR be perpetually OP than have some other weapon get nerfed as a result of CCP's attempts to "rebalance" based on community complaints.

The AR is really not that hard to counter, maybe consider not standing still when shooting? or actually using cover? it helps.

Also just to clarify, I am NOT an AR user.

NONO ,do not misunderstand me.
Im not saying the AR is OP,but the fact one weapon fits all roles Kills Diversity.
The TAC still has its range and scope.
The Breach (i actually like it) is an incredible weapon for CQ engagements, pretty much a weapon you can score 95% Headshots while not having to use your aim button,since the ''hip fire'' among other things, is close to perfect at clsoe mid engagements. This results in you being able to move at full movement speed without missing shots. BUT , sadly,is still out DPS'ed by a regular AR at CQ too..
AND the Burst Variant is Highly outgunned by the Regular AR's variants:
More Damage, stable Rof and CQ capabilities. With a very similar , if NOT increased, optimal range.
In order for a game to have variety,different weapons must excell at diferent areas,as it is i think the Regular ARs FIT all.

-I am, currently , Using Assault rifles since i cannot bear to loose to a GEK at 60+mts with my Scrambler rifle anymore. And my aiming is very close to flawless....
I use A GEK, with proficiency 3 and 2 CX Damage mods and i can drop a heavy in 35 less bullets at long range (meaning i have 25 more bullets to drop 1 or 2 med frames)...

i mean. I dont mind if it doesnt get a rebalance, as they say,adapt or die: I'll keep using it them...but it would be healthy for the game i think...

As the term out gun means nothing I cant counter it.

many hmg users do poorly because of failure, to put them selves in the correct range I am not the best player but a decent heavy at close range kills me plenty. It has more to do with those complaining sucking at this game. As for your ascertion that the hmg does not always win against an ar why in the hell do you think its supposed to? They are both PRIMARY weapons, and the ar can be carried by a heavy, is a proto assault with a proto ar not supposed to be able to compete??

all be liberals, sometimes you just have to suffer with bad decisions, there is no bail out, no nerf, heavys are big, but not to big to fail. Get better and stop crying or go play anyone of the other new games out there that lets everyone be fair and equal......

That is the biggest bunch of BS i ever hear ....

In fact, i am convince that you have NEVER tried the AR before, or the SCR. The only thing you know is that it kills you.

I guessing.... Heavy with a HMG ? That is the favorite fit for MAG players, right ?

i bet you got all your ARs and sMGs gold and diamond camo. calm down lvl 15 prestige

No need to panic, CCP only uses Data and Metrics to buff or nerf things, not forums QQing. If they truly listen the ridiculous complaints, the AR will been remove ages ago.

That is the biggest bunch of BS i ever hear ....

In fact, i am convince that you have NEVER tried the AR before, or the SCR. The only thing you know is that it kills you.

I guessing.... Heavy with a HMG ? That is the favorite fit for MAG players, right ?

Flaylock? I never asked for a flaylock nerf, I love it been running it with a pistol in amscout suit the past 2 hours, however its nerf was because it was a sidearm, again lets compare apples to, apples.

All I know is I die from heavies. Perhaps we should ask the number 2 player in the game by kills CHICAGOCUBSFOREVER what he thinks, since he maintains a 5.86 kd with a hmg, how do you think he does it? Maybe some noob heavies should follow him around a game or 2. All I know is that they kill me with my ar, perhaps my anecdotal opinion is just the result of me sucking, but then im not on here asking for a nerf of anything am I?

On top of that what about all you other heavies I see slaughtering speak, up, my corp mate eldongito lay med frames proto down or not all the time,, how about cubs, rasputin9000, tendo hallow, these are all great heavies, the proof is in the game, Idc about all the numbers you nerds spew, great players use team work and find ways to win boundless hmg on a proto sentinel is a monster against anything out there, as formthat movement crap you keep, talking when that boundless hits you it greatly slows you down and hinders movemnt anyone who plays knows that.

Light Machine Guns Diamond
Sniper Rifles Diamond
Shotguns Diamond
Assault Shield Diamond


Got bored after that

i bet you got all your ARs and sMGs gold and diamond camo. calm down lvl 15 prestige

Lol I picked up the AR Milita variant yester day for the lols since my tanks were not being useful on the map and I did not wish to lose ISK...... I walked out at 19/3 with little to not effort put into aiming, shooting, or even for that matter situational awareness.

I could turn on people already firing at me and melt them in less than a second.

Anyone want to challenge D legendary hero's post? Math is the kind of thing devs listen to.

They don't like using math. AR apologists, in order to function so out of touch with reality, see things differently. They just use name calling, the "Im just so awesome though" approach, or classic bullshit assumptions. "Of course it's the best weapon, it's obviously supposed to be because "insert anything other than balance and/or fun gameplay such as real world comparisons based on made up facts".

ccp will nerf the assault rifle because it should be nerfed.

The Assault Rifle is largely misunderstood. Even I, who fully understands what it is and why it's here, thinks it OP. Give it a nerf. Here are the 1 reason that people THINK it needs to be nerfed, even though that's working as intended:

1) "it d0es everyting!?!1!!!?/" It's a weapon build for Versatility (Proof that the Gallente are #1). It can do long range, mid range, close range, every range. However, I'll get to this in a second.

Why it REALLY needs to be nerfed: The range. The range/damage ratio is way off. For every weapon except the Sniper Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, and Pistol, the more range you have, the less damage you have. Even the SMG does very little damage at it's effective range. With the Assault Rifle at it's effective range, it's still doing a considerable amount of damage. Enough to kill an unfit scout within a couple seconds. And honestly, on 1.2 I think it way, ARs had perfect range. They weren't OP, but they weren't UP. And then starting on 1.3, the range took some steroids again.

So yea. Nerf the range, that's my only request. If you make it so it can't do everything, it'll ruin the concept.

EDIT: Also, I ran with my severely crap fitting of an Assault G-1. Went 17/0. I had a tanker in my squad that went 17/0 with a tank. "But Art, you're amazing and kill me every time, why can't I be more like you, will you marry me?!11!!!?!" I was incredibly tired and literally almost falling asleep. It was basically:
1) See an enemy
2) ADS
3) Press R1
4) Got A Kill
That was literally it. I was way tired, and still managed 17/0. Nerf it. Also noting that I killed about 4-5 Proto-Caldari Assaults during tat match. It's either luck (Something I have none of), the gun (Everyone else seems to think so D:), or my skill (Likely, but probably not).

Lol its still 65 meters, they havent changed it at all, but at least until you scrubs realize it these posts will stop, but ya there is no change in the ar range, as I said weeks ago 2 posts up, 65 meters, you scrubs dont understand distance.

Look at the optimal range.

Look at the optimal range.