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D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 978	Posted - 2013.09.12 22:11:00 - [1] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: General12912 wrote: In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way. That's the worst excuse against a nerf that I've ever heard! in the description of the heavy suit it says its "designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and explosives". so, if you want to go by the descriptions then make my heavy suit immune to all light weapons and explosives. in the description of the HMG it says that it is nicknamed "death machine" so it should OHK any suit based on that description. the burst HMG should kill through walls if we use its description. the list goes on and on for weapons that don't accomplish what the description says, or that were nerfed regardless of their description. ie.e. flaylocks. nerf ARs
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 978	Posted - 2013.09.12 22:14:00 - [2] - Quote General12912 wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: It needs its range nerfed down by a lot. Like A LOT. The range isnt the reason most people have a problem, its the dps. Anyways it seems to me that those who have always wanted the assault rifle nerfed are finding a perfect excuse as to why. That way, their mass drivers/other guns they arent good at using are stronger than the ar and therefore, easier to lose. ITS A WAR GAME, EXPECT TO BE KILLED!! so please explain why the FLaylock was nerfed? its a war game, and it killed people. Flaylockers never complained about ARs. in fact before 1.4 there was very little complaint about ARs. but, ARs have been complaining endlessly since chromosome. thats why they need a nerf. there is really nothing left to nerf. in fact AR users are now trying to double nerf guns like the MD. enough is enough. get nerfed scrub.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 978	Posted - 2013.09.12 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: It's better then a Every heavy weapon. It's OP. Why are we still discussing its OPness? If you want more information on why it is OP and needs a nerf I have the official thread right here. If you want ARs nerfed support this thread. link your own articles here: The official nerf AR thread with links and Math
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 981	Posted - 2013.09.12 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: D legendary hero wrote: General12912 wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: It needs its range nerfed down by a lot. Like A LOT. The range isnt the reason most people have a problem, its the dps. Anyways it seems to me that those who have always wanted the assault rifle nerfed are finding a perfect excuse as to why. That way, their mass drivers/other guns they arent good at using are stronger than the ar and therefore, easier to lose. ITS A WAR GAME, EXPECT TO BE KILLED!! so please explain why the FLaylock was nerfed? its a war game, and it killed people. Flaylockers never complained about ARs. in fact before 1.4 there was very little complaint about ARs. but, ARs have been complaining endlessly since chromosome. thats why they need a nerf. there is really nothing left to nerf. in fact AR users are now trying to double nerf guns like the MD. enough is enough. get nerfed scrub. The flaylock was nerfed because you barely had to aim to kill the target. The splash area was excessively large and it did enough damage in that zone to make accurate aiming unnecessary. The damage itself was plenty enough to wreck most suits in one clip as well, which could be fired off within a second. Also, 'there is really nothing left to nerf' is a terrible reason for a nerf. How can you bash on someone for having bad reasoning and then come up with that? thank you. with the new Aim Assist, and hit detection you barely have to aim with an AR. And in 15 bullets which is 25% of a clip you can kill any suit with less than 500 ehp. A militia AR can kill a proto heavy with 1591 ehp in 3.4 seconds. So, by your own reason the flaylock was "OP" the AR was and still is very OP and needs a nerf in fact the milita AR can kill your average heavy with 1100 ehp in 2.2 seconds out o 50m. a flaylock could never do that...lol also, the fact that eveything is vastly inferior to the AR is enough reason to nerf it. flaylock and other guns were nerfed for less. as a side note the flaylock only had three rounds in its clip and only needed a fire rate reduction. but even as it was it still only excelled in CQC, where ARs are not supposed to excel.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 981	Posted - 2013.09.12 22:27:00 - [5] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: flaylock was nerfed due to a single group of individual players completely annihilating everything solo... getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but flaylocks... so yeah it was op... it can still kill decently though just not annihilate an entire team solo... let me show you something; the galente assault rifle needs to be nerfed due to a groups of individual players completely annihilating everything solo... getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but ARs... so yeah it is op... it can kill even better with 1.4 and obliterate entire team solo... ^^this is the current game. the same reason you wanted the flaylocks nerfed is the same reason we want the AR nerfed.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1160	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:29:00 - [6] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: D legendary hero wrote: General12912 wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: It needs its range nerfed down by a lot. Like A LOT. The range isnt the reason most people have a problem, its the dps. Anyways it seems to me that those who have always wanted the assault rifle nerfed are finding a perfect excuse as to why. That way, their mass drivers/other guns they arent good at using are stronger than the ar and therefore, easier to lose. ITS A WAR GAME, EXPECT TO BE KILLED!! so please explain why the FLaylock was nerfed? its a war game, and it killed people. Flaylockers never complained about ARs. in fact before 1.4 there was very little complaint about ARs. but, ARs have been complaining endlessly since chromosome. thats why they need a nerf. there is really nothing left to nerf. in fact AR users are now trying to double nerf guns like the MD. enough is enough. get nerfed scrub. Lol your mad? How about get better? That's the answer, as for the fl pistol, once again for the slow, its a S I D E A R M, which means its not a primary, that's WHY it was nerfed. The AR is a light weapon so why does it outgun HMGs?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1160	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:30:00 - [7] - Quote AR Scrub wrote: hi i got this game today becuz i wuz bored i realy liek it becuz it iz like halo and cod in space i start and i kill ppl like mad with my AR I like this guy already
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1165	Posted - 2013.10.08 03:34:00 - [8] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: D legendary hero wrote: CLONE117 wrote: flaylock was nerfed due to a single group of individual players completely annihilating everything solo... getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but flaylocks... so yeah it was op... it can still kill decently though just not annihilate an entire team solo... let me show you something; the galente assault rifle needs to be nerfed due to a groups of individual players completely annihilating everything solo... getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but ARs... so yeah it is op... it can kill even better with 1.4 and obliterate entire team solo... ^^this is the current game. the same reason you wanted the flaylocks nerfed is the same reason we want the AR nerfed. I don't want to see anything nerfed, I thought flaylocks were fine, as far as 50 70 kills , killing whole team blah blah that's all lies and you know it. I meant as a team 10 people using ARs will get about 60 kills with ARs only.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1177	Posted - 2013.10.09 23:42:00 - [9] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: stuff The AR is a light weapon so why does it outgun HMGs? As the term out gun means nothing I cant counter it. [/quote] outgun to surpass in firepower Synonyms beat, better, eclipse, exceed, excel, outclass, outdistance, outdo, surpass, outmatch, outshine, outstrip, overtop, top, tower (over), transcend Related Words one-up, outpace, outrace, outrun, overpass; best, clobber, conquer, crush, defeat, drub, lick, master, outcompete, outperform, overcome, overmatch, prevail (over), rout, shame, skunk, subdue, surmount, thrash, trim, triumph (over), trounce, wallop, whip, win (against), worst; outbalance, outweigh, overbear, overshadow, trump You are both wrong and right. It is a real word. However, You cant counter this because it is true. Quote: many hmg users do poorly because of failure, to put them selves in the correct range I am not the best player but a decent heavy at close range kills me plenty. It has more to do with those complaining sucking at this game. As for your ascertion that the hmg does not always win against an ar why in the hell do you think its supposed to? They are both PRIMARY weapons, and the ar can be carried by a heavy, is a proto assault with a proto ar not supposed to be able to compete?? So, being killed by ARs in close range against suits that have approximately the same ehp and 3 times the speed is perfectly balanced? What is the correct "situation' for an HMG? lol yo throwing up excuses. I mean seriously. in close quarters the higher mobility of the assault suit with an AR make it superior. Plus the fact that you can stack damage mods which a heavy can't really do effectively further breaks up the distance. But, lets put this on even ground lets say I have a std HMG and you have a milita AR. Because an Ar has 29% less dps than an HMG, even if I hit with every shot (which in a real encounter wouldnt happen do to hit detction and heavies slow movement speed). I can only take out 1-2 suits before being downed by another AR user. milita heavy suit ehp = 700 (400s/300a). Hmg = 600 dps (or 660 with 10%) milita calrdari suit = 330 ehp (210s/120a). ar = 425 dps (or 467 with 10%) TTK HMG vs caldar suit = .5 seconds TTK AR milita vs milita heavy suit = 1.6 seconds so, How much damage can a milita AR do .55 seconds? 212.5 damage. That is about 1/3 of my heavies health. Now, remember that we are comparing milita suits not moving, just shooting right at each other. If the milita caldar suit begins moving around and shooting the heavy cannot win. repeat HEAVY CANNOT BEAT AR. Its just wont work. with only 1.6 seconds of sustained AR fire from a milita AR with no mods no less, or proficiency the heavy is gone. Now give that milita frame shield extenders, proficiency a GEK, etc... and the heavy will never win. These imaginary close quarters you speak of are long corradores which ARs have the range to take advantage of. Even in "CQB situations" medium frames can simply run away and recharge their shield and then attack again. Heavies dont recharge their shield as fast. But all in all, Geks out gun std and ADV hmg's all day at most ranges and close range, its just as i mentioned above. Quote: all be liberals, sometimes you just have to suffer with bad decisions, there is no bail out, no nerf, heavys are big, but not to big to fail. Get better and stop crying or go play anyone of the other new games out there that lets everyone be fair and equal...... wait a minute.... So the flaylock didnt fall under the "this gme isnt fair get used to it?" but ARs do? how about this. You say heavies complain that they die to proto ARs. and yet, why you died to proto core flaylocks it was a problem? What does primary and secondary have to do with anything? the flaylock never operated outside its parameters. furthermore, the heavy weapons ARE H E A V Y W E A P O N S. so they are supposed to have further range and do much greater damage than l i g h t w e a p o n s. This of course is according to your lopsided logic, which makes two contrary applications of the same rules so that ARs in your yes are never OP but anything else, by the same logic would be OP.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1177	Posted - 2013.10.09 23:53:00 - [10] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: AR is fine, learn to counter it. I'd rather have the AR be perpetually OP than have some other weapon get nerfed as a result of CCP's attempts to "rebalance" based on community complaints. The AR is really not that hard to counter, maybe consider not standing still when shooting? or actually using cover? it helps. Also just to clarify, I am NOT an AR user. I love it when AR users claim they are not AR uses. In fact I am an AR user. I dont even need points past operation 3 to see its the best thing since sliced bread in space. Ok, wise guy tell me... please, oh wiseone. How does on counter an uncounterable weapon/ ok, in all seriousness. how does one counter the AR? in your opinion. Because frankly no one has been able to counter mine...lolol

D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1177	Posted - 2013.10.09 23:55:00 - [11] - Quote Terra Dragonoid wrote: All of those that want the Assault Rifle to be nerfed are nothing but COD fanboys. Don't the lot of you get it? It's an Assault Rifle! Not a submachine gun! Of course it should do the damage that it does! Why not complain more about the scrambler rifles that are deadlier than the Assault Rifles? Jeese! What, you want this game to be like COD or any other cheap game? No? Then don't whine about things that are perfect the way they are. I'm a full out heavy and don't use Assault Rifles, but I completely disagree with this whole nerfing thing. Learn to play, take things like a man, and stop trying to turn a good game into a lame game. i bet you got all your ARs and sMGs gold and diamond camo. calm down lvl 15 prestige
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1182	Posted - 2013.10.10 02:43:00 - [12] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: No need to panic, CCP only uses Data and Metrics to buff or nerf things, not forums QQing. If they truly listen the ridiculous complaints, the AR will been remove ages ago. lolz thats why scouts and HMGs are gimped right?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1182	Posted - 2013.10.10 02:47:00 - [13] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: AR is fine, learn to counter it. I'd rather have the AR be perpetually OP than have some other weapon get nerfed as a result of CCP's attempts to "rebalance" based on community complaints. The AR is really not that hard to counter, maybe consider not standing still when shooting? or actually using cover? it helps. Also just to clarify, I am NOT an AR user. NONO ,do not misunderstand me. Im not saying the AR is OP,but the fact one weapon fits all roles Kills Diversity. The TAC still has its range and scope. The Breach (i actually like it) is an incredible weapon for CQ engagements, pretty much a weapon you can score 95% Headshots while not having to use your aim button,since the ''hip fire'' among other things, is close to perfect at clsoe mid engagements. This results in you being able to move at full movement speed without missing shots. BUT , sadly,is still out DPS'ed by a regular AR at CQ too.. AND the Burst Variant is Highly outgunned by the Regular AR's variants: More Damage, stable Rof and CQ capabilities. With a very similar , if NOT increased, optimal range. In order for a game to have variety,different weapons must excell at diferent areas,as it is i think the Regular ARs FIT all. -I am, currently , Using Assault rifles since i cannot bear to loose to a GEK at 60+mts with my Scrambler rifle anymore. And my aiming is very close to flawless.... I use A GEK, with proficiency 3 and 2 CX Damage mods and i can drop a heavy in 35 less bullets at long range (meaning i have 25 more bullets to drop 1 or 2 med frames)... i mean. I dont mind if it doesnt get a rebalance, as they say,adapt or die: I'll keep using it them...but it would be healthy for the game i think... That is the biggest bunch of BS i ever hear .... In fact, i am convince that you have NEVER tried the AR before, or the SCR. The only thing you know is that it kills you. I guessing.... Heavy with a HMG ? That is the favorite fit for MAG players, right ? in MAG 1. the game was mostly balanced. and 2. valor used snipers [could one shot any suit] sever used their ARs [most powerful in the game] raven used grenade launchers and LMGs the LMGs in MAG functioned how they were supposed to. high damage, high fire rate (some had low fire rate), high range, high ammo. but low accuracy and high recoil.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1182	Posted - 2013.10.10 02:55:00 - [14] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Flaylock? I never asked for a flaylock nerf, I love it been running it with a pistol in amscout suit the past 2 hours, however its nerf was because it was a sidearm, again lets compare apples to, apples. comparing applies to applies dictates you compare the flaylock to the SMG and scrambler pistol and nova knives. proto flaylocks were still not as effective as proto SMGs. if you wanna nerf flaylocks then you need to nerf SMGs cuz they are basically pocket ARs. in fact way better. Nerf all side arms to nova knive level...Or Buff all side arms to SMG level. your choice...lol. Quote: All I know is I die from heavies. Perhaps we should ask the number 2 player in the game by kills CHICAGOCUBSFOREVER what he thinks, since he maintains a 5.86 kd with a hmg, how do you think he does it? Maybe some noob heavies should follow him around a game or 2. All I know is that they kill me with my ar, perhaps my anecdotal opinion is just the result of me sucking, but then im not on here asking for a nerf of anything am I? how about lance2balls strong another one of the best heavies in the game how has abandoned it? He plays nothing but PC. Chicago cubs plays in team players. If im in a milita heavy suit surrounded by a team of people with full proto ARs, proto caldari suits, with max proficiency and tanks with proto blasters, I wouldnt die all to often myself. especially not in a pub match. So, ou anecdote which really isnt one because it never happened, is mute. i mean. to say that someone who has been playing since open beta and is one of the best corporations in the game surrounded always by a team of proto bears, is the best example of an idealistic heavy is ludacris. Ok, so the next time i run heavy is when my team has full proto ARs, and tanks too. i guess...lolol
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1182	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:03:00 - [15] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: On top of that what about all you other heavies I see slaughtering speak, up, my corp mate eldongito lay med frames proto down or not all the time,, how about cubs, rasputin9000, tendo hallow, these are all great heavies, the proof is in the game, Idc about all the numbers you nerds spew, great players use team work and find ways to win boundless hmg on a proto sentinel is a monster against anything out there, as formthat movement crap you keep, talking when that boundless hits you it greatly slows you down and hinders movemnt anyone who plays knows that. lololz complex armor plates slows you down too...lololz My militia AR in 3.4 seconds can take out your proto sentiel suit with max shields and armor (maximum is 1581)
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1182	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:04:00 - [16] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Terra Dragonoid wrote: All of those that want the Assault Rifle to be nerfed are nothing but COD fanboys. Don't the lot of you get it? It's an Assault Rifle! Not a submachine gun! Of course it should do the damage that it does! Why not complain more about the scrambler rifles that are deadlier than the Assault Rifles? Jeese! What, you want this game to be like COD or any other cheap game? No? Then don't whine about things that are perfect the way they are. I'm a full out heavy and don't use Assault Rifles, but I completely disagree with this whole nerfing thing. Learn to play, take things like a man, and stop trying to turn a good game into a lame game. i bet you got all your ARs and sMGs gold and diamond camo. calm down lvl 15 prestige Light Machine Guns Diamond Sniper Rifles Diamond Shotguns Diamond Assault Shield Diamond Got bored after that very nice. i got my shotguns, LMGs, and specials diamond. snipers is too much work. cudoos bro.