I am an AR scrub who wants this game to be nothing more than cod in space. I believe the AR is the only viable wepon ad the improved hit detection and aim assist have finally allowd me to twich shoot most other suits to death in kes than 2 seconds. I much prefer this kind of twich and skill less game play, as I lack the fundamental skills to strafe and utalise cover effectively. I would even go as far to say my AR isnt quite powerfull enough as I cant solo HAVs with it. CCP please fix it so I can. Also any other AR scrubs who fancy backing me up on turning this game into COD514 then please sign bello so CCP dosent take away our win button.

do any of u ppl even no the difference between accuracy and precision?...

lower level ar rnt op...

majority of the other guns r better than the ar. in their specific situation..

the ar is designed for multiple situations..

its one of those adapt to current scenario guns...

and back to accuracy in precision just for ppl who dont know...


precision is basically the grouping of the guns shots..

accuracy is pretty much just the ability to hit your target..

and its not spray and pray with perfect accuracy..

what i have noticed with some of the hit detection is that it looks like it will need tweaking as your reticule can by a little off of the target or while ads pointed close to the target and ull get the hits in..

the other guns r still deadly even with out damage mods more deadly than an ar...

so why should a well balanced gun be given an unbalancing drawback?

u still have to reload even after firing a single round because if u get caught with less than 60 rounds in your ar you r dead..

this is a futuristic and chaotic universe..

we have power armor!.

so why complain with a single gun just because its used more than other guns?

its the most common because its the first gun most new players start out with..

and its not a problem since every1 has and can use an ar...

these nerf ar theads are just like the remove free lav threads...


and every other nerf thread..

the point remains that the assault rifle currently can be countered by everything..

if a gun cant be countered by anything then its op..but if it is countered by everything quite easily its not op...

ar is fine..just because it can kill your precious proto doesnt mean its op... and to state true facts here from my current gameplay and matches ive had currently i really havnt seen any reason as to why the ar is op...

because game play is still essentially the same...as in 1.3 except the laser got better again.. and lets stop with the dbs crap as it doesnt determine anything all it does is give the highest possible damage the weapon can reach...

and this dps can never truly be reached in any of the games unless your target stands still...

so stop whining..

and give proper feed back instead of crying about weapon that majority of the players have always used in the beginning and have..

and learn how to stop running into gunfire.. if u can learn how to not run into direct gunfire from a bunch of other players with guns like yours..
then u r on step one to surviving in dust 514..

AR is one of the guns I am specced into, and you know what kills me the most in game?

FORGE GUNS and SHOTGUNS, not AR

The AR is getting nerfed in 1.5 anyways (some versions anyways) I belive its recoil should be higher then it is and LOL at the person claiming its DPS is better then a FG lol 37 or so hp per round compared to over 1500 hpfor a FG shot? Yeah the AR out damages there doesnt it?

The ar is a plasma weapon dude, that's pretty futuristic, don't think we got those yet, the range is very specific, and you only land everyshot if the target is to stupid to move the left analog stick left and right or backwards and forwards as they are being shot. I don't get how you all can't see this became a problemmafter we got aa? Its not the weapons it baddys and aim assist.

Your kind of slow eh?

It's better then a Every heavy weapon.

It's OP.

Why are we still discussing its OPness?

flaylock was nerfed due to a single group of individual players completely annihilating everything solo...


getting on average per match around over 50-70 kills a game with it by using nothing but flaylocks...

so yeah it was op... it can still kill decently though just not annihilate an entire team solo...

The flaylock was nerfed because you barely had to aim to kill the target. The splash area was excessively large and it did enough damage in that zone to make accurate aiming unnecessary. The damage itself was plenty enough to wreck most suits in one clip as well, which could be fired off within a second.

Also, 'there is really nothing left to nerf' is a terrible reason for a nerf. How can you bash on someone for having bad reasoning and then come up with that?

The range isnt the reason most people have a problem, its the dps. Anyways it seems to me that those who have always wanted the assault rifle nerfed are finding a perfect excuse as to why. That way, their mass drivers/other guns they arent good at using are stronger than the ar and therefore, easier to lose. ITS A WAR GAME, EXPECT TO BE KILLED!!

Lol your mad? How about get better? That's the answer, as for the fl pistol, once again for the slow, its a S I D E A R M, which means its not a primary, that's WHY it was nerfed.

The ar thanks to the aim assist and improved hit detection can just about out dps a hmg but of course its not op. An ar can out dps a lazer rifle outside the ars optimum range but its not op.. the ar has next to no spread and can also out dps a scrambker rifle at the scramblers optimum range but its not op. The ar has a higher dps than an equivalent forge gun but its not op. The list goes on . The ar now is the most unbalanced wepon in the game as it fills roles of niech wepons better than they can. The only thing ars cant kill anymore are vehicles and instalations . If you cant see the logic then your bloody well blind and cant do math simples.

While I like the idea even this view is not dynamic enough to understand true balance, for one thing the smg up close is simply to simplistic of a view, you must look at factors that simply cant be expressed with values on a spread sheet. For example the sub is a SECONDARY weapon not a primary and if it consistently under performs against an AR can we not say that is somewhat expected? Also your sample is badly skewed in that we are not viewing competitive samples of equal strength, thos who use the AR as it stands are the majority, meaning they will be the best players in the game, have been playing the longest, and have the most skill points so this weapon tends to be found on the field fully maxed, meaning 5 points into sharpshooter, 5 points into proficiency, and also having the core skills to carry enough cpu and pg to stack multiple damage mods on a proto suit. You could play dust all day and not run into someone who has the equivalent of that in a laser rifle or scrambler rifle. Also this weapon does more damage against shields than armor which will change the way a armor heavy sentinel deals with an ar vs a shield heavy caldari. There are so many things that go into this opinion of balance, and thats all it is, thats its nearly impossible to discern balance as long as we think of balance as equal. Dps is another commonly used number to prove imbalance and this is simply not complete, but because we have so many number nerd transplants from eve it is the only way they know how to communicate their frustration with failure at just not being that good, because is the most over looked variable in combat, player skill. It very much reminds me of an athlete blaming his opponents shoes for his own lack of success, it cant be him, it must be the shoes... Balance should never be equal, it should simply mean a given set of strengths and weaknesses that arise under diffrent parameters, paired with diffrent suits and in diffrent situations lead to varied outcomes, some of these strenghts and weaknesses should be given set values, others however should not. Often times when you find your self being completely owned look around at some of those other variables, it might not be the gun, it could just be you.......

Attention: all those who don't want the assault rifle to be needed, unless we protest, and post our opinions in our own threads, I promise CCP will nerf the assault rifle. If you really care, post your own opinions on your own threads. As of right now, more people are protesting for the assault rifle nerf than against it. If you are against it, don't just sit there, let your voice be heard.



In my opinion, the description of the assault rifle says its the most advanced plasma weapon out there, so it needs to stay that way. Now you can respond to this, but make sure you most your own threads too. If you don't, I fear CCP will not hear your voice. I'm not asking you to spam I the place up, just post your own thread on your opinion on why you don't want the assault rifle to be nerfed.

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The AR is a light weapon so why does it outgun HMGs?

Lol its still 65 meters, they havent changed it at all, but at least until you scrubs realize it these posts will stop, but ya there is no change in the ar range, as I said weeks ago 2 posts up, 65 meters, you scrubs dont understand distance.

Lol its still 65 meters, they havent changed it at all, but at least until you scrubs realize it these posts will stop, but ya there is no change in the ar range, as I said weeks ago 2 posts up, 65 meters, you scrubs dont understand distance.