Dust is already hardcore enough. We have a strong death punishment, we have the backstabbing corp and alliance philosophy from eve, we have the as*hole attitude community, and we definitely don't need to make this game even harder.

Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is?

I think I understand what he meant: We should always be looking for ways to improve no matter how good we get.

You can think what you want, really, IDGAF, you're going to believe whatever delusions you think are popular so you can feel included with the "in-crowd".

@Lurchasaurus

Sorry if I saw a personal attack and took nothing else from the post. I am aware of the playstyle I've chosen from the start and the only thing preventing me from further developing it is the fact that we are stuck in lobby after lobby with no opportunity for open world, FPS PvP.

If we had that option, I'd be able to further develop my playstyle.

We don't, therefore I am happy with where I am and will continue to be until I have a proper environment to develop my playstyle. If you think that I am an "entitled and unskilled player" because of this, go ahead, again, IDGAF.

If you'll take note, I've been playing less and less, quickly going down the road of Dust Bittervet.

If this game plans to bring in new players aim assist is a must. I believe that the aim assist is perfect. I compare this aim assist to that of halo. In halo gunfights last longer, players jump, strafe and move everywhere. In halo aim assist is a must because 90 percent of the time your tracking your targets during gunfights while jumping and moving around. I feel like the same stands for dust. If CCp decides to take away aim assist, and fix KBM then the only people who will get shafted are the DS3 users. Aiming with KBM is much more precise than DS3. Making fine adjustments at long range, and in your face CQC is where the DS3 fails. Us controller users need a way to balance out the playing field, and thats with aim assist. Which is usually standard on most console games. Why it was taken off in Dust makes no sense to me. And besides probably the reason why people have been getting killed more is not aim assist, but the fact that CCP finally fixed aiming with the DS3. Before 1.4 aiming with the DS3 was awful. Hip firing and ADS had the same aiming speed, and the controls were sluggish, clunky, and wonky.

Mouse and keyboard dominate ds3 without aim assist.There was no way to be competitive with a ds3 before.All those crying about aa are try hards who are used to get all those free kills and now thay cant anymore,,,cry more plz.(all console games have aim assist)

It's not that. You literally can't follow a guy who strafe with a keyboard. Even if you have a great eye-fingers coordination you can't follow your target. To strafe with a keyboard you just press "a" "d" for lateral strafe. If you strafe with a ds3 the difference is noticeable, because you see your target strafing "slower" because its change of direction is much slower, letting you track its movement far easier.

and...I don't want to talk about mouse sensitivity vs pad sensitivity.

I did not play those games. Well, 3 matches in COD and one evenining in BF3 and I did not touch either one since then. They are the biggest FPS of all time only in the heads of ppl who play them. AA is for lazy ppl. COD preys on lazy ppl (incidentally the majority of console market) with a demand for self-validation. Also, aim assist is the lazy way of adjusting aiming mechanics.

I'll make you a deal, if you and "the above average players [you] have played with" all buy $10,000 of game packs every month to keep DUST financially viable/sustainable, then we'll let CCP nerf AA into oblivion so you can run around feeling good about yourselves, using your Kb/M to rack up your K/D ratio.

In order for DUST to even exist this time next year we need to bring in a lot more new blood (and quickly). The #1 complaint I've heard from new players and reviewers are the controls feel bad. We need proper gameplay tutorials too for sure (people don't read walls of text CCP they want to fight right away). Being accessible to newer players is critical to the survival of this game, making you and the above average players you play with feel superiorl isn't.

Removing the 10% buff to all weapon damage would help make fights a little longer, with tank & dps mods playing a larger role in the outcome which should (slightly) favor the vet player in most fights. Since this was originally added to compensate for removing AA at Uprising's launch, it stands to reason that the first change CCP implements would be removing this now unnessisarily addition since they've brought back AA.

If this still isn't sufficient, one option would be to reduce AA slightly in FW & PC matches to reward hardcore players. Another option would be giving players who use the controller with AA disabled a 10% SP bonus for being better "superior to everyone else."

The OP posted links showing that DUST's AA is in line with other console shooters in the industry (weaker than most actually). It's what players expect when they fire up a console shooter. Do you honestly think there is a large enough console player base with "good values", as you put it, to sustain DUST's development? If there are, where the f*ck have they been?

I think you're failing to grasp the basic economics behind a FTP business model: you need a massive pool of players. In order to get a massive pool of players you need to appeal to what they want and expect.

I've posted suggestions on how things could be improved to still reward the top players, you've seem to ignore them. Is it because this is less about competing at the highest levels with players having "good values" and more about your desire to pump up your stats by stomping newbies?

Yes it is. Everyone with eyes can see this. The gap between the newbies and the protos is less than before 1.4. More user friendly. You will see this in the upcoming weeks when the gamers start to flock in 2 play the game.

The game needs more players. It was 2 hard for the newbies to shoot against us protobears before so they left. What is it that you want sunshine? Run around alone while playing Dust? Why are you crying??

I use a ds3 but not aim assist and the update to the ds3 is epic much easier to track targets now don't get we wrong i still miss. The reason the vets!!!! Cough are crying is because the kbm isn't superior any more and they can't give each other reach arounds when looking at there KDR at the end of the match

If EVE got rid of all the care bears, the economy would collapse and the elite 10% in EVE wouldn't have anything to play. It's also not a twitch game, which you seem to think is the pinnacle of gameplay. What makes EVE interesting is module choice, teamwork, and strategy/tactics. AA doesn't reduce these aspects of DUST at all, in fact they make those aspects of the game even more important.



You're delusional if you think there will be a massive influx of players eager to get pubstomped for months until they build up the aiming skill and SP to be competitive with Kb/M vets just by adding a few new suits and deployables. You're right that many of the CoD players will be flaky and move on to other titles, but the RPG aspects of DUST and the passive SP gains will draw many of them back (and many will still run passive SP boosters while they're taking a break--helping sustain development). This is especially true when new content is added in the biannual expansions. Not to mention the fact that the power of corps and social gameplay will keep them coming back to want to defend their "sandcastles".

DUST is still a very deep game, even with AA, and it will only get moreso as new content comes in. Also, you've not addressed my point about ways the system could be tweaked to still reward hardcore players.

******sigh******

And people wonder why this game is failing so hardcore with such low player counts. Yes lets take FPS and make it noncompetitive by allowing the computer to do most of the aiming for you.

I am sorry but no. Aim assist (if there even is any at all) should be very very small.....it should never be enough to actually move your cross hair. I can go with lowering your sensitivity slightly when your own target to help you maintain the target but that is the most it should ever be...if the target moves you should have to be forced to follow your target to hit them effectively. Its pathetic the number of likes this person rcved from his post. Whatever happened to the "hardcore" universe of Eve? I have never played a more carebear FPS in my life. This is pretty soon they will just give everyone jet packs that shoot rainbow out of your butts so that you can actually play carebear episodes online.

This is not a competitive FPS......yes its not anymore because scrubs like you and CCP have destroyed it. CCPs original vision was that it would become a major hardcore FPS competitive shooter. Yea they lost that once badly. Why even call it an FPS anymore? Must make it turn based already so that all the Eve kiddies can enjoy their FPS game that doesnt require any handeye coordination skills.

It was failing WITHOUT aim assist. People would try the game, not be able to kill anything and uninstall. If No AA was so f*cking fantastic, where were all of the HARDCORE FPS console fans out there? A: they were probably all playing DUST (and there's only a few thousand of you). That's NOT A LARGE ENOUGH PLAYERBASE to keep DUST going.


Spastically strafing in bizarre directions while being able to hit other people doing the same isn't fun gameplay to a lot of people. It's f*cking stupid to put it bluntly, and nothing like real combat. You can think this is hardcore, or the pinnacle of FPS gameplay, but when one dude can run into a squad of 4 people and take them all down because the controls are such that it's too hard for everyone to hit him, then the game is broken. This would never happen in real life, being "hardcore" to me means having engagements play out more like they would if DUST were real: I.e. no one would ever charge into a group of 4 guys, and if they did they would be shot and killed (even if he was wearing a high-end suit).

You really are a stressful fella. Are you capable to maintain a certain behavior without getting verbal all the time? Do you really think that my influence here is so big? I personally ascribe my contribution to this topic only marginal. The Likes I get on the very first page only shows me that there are more people who are thinking the way I am. And I donGÇÖt believe that casual gamers should disclaim something only due to the lack of time. You still can (you should always!) be quite ambitions in the things you do.

Oh wow, i am so sorry that we KBM users have been ruining your leisure sofa relax hour when you could barely watch the TV....

Its not like we are trying to kill each other in this game that it requires some kind of attention span ....aw Snap ...wait ...IT DOES...
I mean, your just standing there ....so i shouldnt shoot you ?

I though i had heard em all from you couch potatos, but this one tips the iceberg...

And no, using KBM isnt a challenge, you plug it in and press keys like a DS3, it becomes an art when done perfectly...