All I read is th at they are debuffing tanks some more simply because peoplebare still complaining they are hard to kill once people realize its a tank and mean to be hard to kill things will be fixed. One person with three av grenades should not kill a tank it should take a organized effort to do so. Its a tank notva glass cannon. Why do lavs have almist the same armor as a tank before modules? Its a light attack vehilce vs a heavy attack vehicle. Why is everything that is heavy with ccp a broken class? Tanks are meant to be in battle and hold the ground. But I find myself busy trying to kill the scout with av grenades more then anything. Also how about fixing the controls before anything else I am sick and tired of my controls suddenly inverting with out my doing so. Also fix the module wheel I am tired of trying to turn on one module and instead turning off another. Here is an idea no off switch.I have yet to see why I woukd want to turn off a module once activated. Usually runs out before I want it to. Ammo for turrets why? Unless it leads to tiered ammo its just anotherb way to debuff tanks. You have no way of reloading explained how much ammo does each turret hold? Will the ammo do more damage now since it has a limited amount? How about more splash damage and larger area for missle tanks since they will run out faster if used for area denial. How about buffing the basic stats on tanks to be more in line of being a tank. Ie double the lavs basic stats so there is a clear reason to be a tanker then a lav driver. Basic issue lavs have the abikity to get a large damage reduction and have high class based defense that tanks don't get and lavs are much faster and smaller they can get into cover quicker.

As far as what you guys actually posted;

One thing that I'm super super cautious about is what you mean when you say "Long Cooldowns" on active modules. As a vehicle dude, nothing would irk me more than to have the game pretty much tell me "Here, be useless for a couple minutes as you need to go hide for all your stuff to recharge." I can almost promise the common tactic would be to simple drive/fly around until your stuff went on cooldown, flee to a safe place, and then recall the vehicle and call a new one to shorten the cooldown, if it was anywhere near that long.

IMO, a "long cooldown" should never be anything more than 30-40s. The way I'd personally approach making active modules more situationally useful is making their affects more powerful, but active for only a shorter time, with a mediocre cooldown compared to making them active for a decent time with a mediocre effect, with a super long cooldown

Turrets having ammo is a wonderful thing as it prevents senseless spamming and makes accuracy more important. Awesome change here guys! I think there to be a way for ships to 'restock' their ammo without having to recall it and call another of the same vehicle. Maybe a built-in nanohive that is very slow, and disables turrets while refilling them, or something? I'm not sold on a "Bigger ammo bay module" or needing to hang out at a supply depot (Especially with dropships)

On the topic of roles and such, We've bugged Wolfman about this to no end, but I'll throw it here anyways : Logistics modules simply need to be turrets, instead of pilot controlled modules. The use of these modules currently ranges from simply impractical to use, to downright impossible to use, as you look at them on each vehicle. The only vehicle that can even use them with good practicality is an HAV, because they are the only vehicle where the aiming/LOS is not dictated by movement controls. You could spend weeks/months reworking these module systems and making their aiming & locking functionality much more practical, or you could transfer this function to a series of turrets, and eliminate all of the 'ease of use' concerns pretty much by the sheer viture of how turrets work compared to vehicle controls. The only concern not addressed here is the seriously lacking range of these modules, which could honestly use a pretty big buff.

Sounds like armor vehicles will suck. We already have a lower up ceiling than shield with OK reps.

Howzabout.

We focus on drop suit/weapon issues before we tackle vehicles.

I.e
Gallente logi is BS
Mass drivers are the new(not really)flaylock
Proto snipers are too easy to spec in to
Every ******* out of academy has militia suits and proto snipers
Gtfo

Oh yeah, and shield regenerators suck too.

The list goes on really

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I think that's enough for now! We're looking forward to hearing what you think

CCP Wolfman

To be honest I really thought that Dropsuits would get teiricided first, but alas vehicles are in dire need of it more so than the dropsuits.

If you don't feel being able to deactivate Modules is helpful.....you are probably a "Not-So-Good" Tanker (Notice I didn't flat out say you are bad & suck). Deactivating Modules allows for going straight into Cooldown in order to re-engage faster than waiting for........idk....a 1-Minute Active Armor Hardener or wasted Reps to finalize. Logic

Can we get some more info on how this will effect dropships?

Limited ammo seems a particular slap in the face for assault dropship pilots.

All I got out of this is you're going to nerf vehicles some more by introducing more restrictions to how they work. Also the ammunition idea is terrible, to be perfectly blunt. They already overheat, they don't need another restriction.

The philosophy for how modules are working is basically how they work already. And what we've learned is that it's a pretty terrible philosophy for the investment unless you plan to make all vehicles absolutely dirt cheap.


Why don't you just copy the EVE capacitor and resistance scheme over to Dust instead of continually dumbing it down? You're underestimating the intelligence of the playerbase.

Active vs. passive modules. There will be a far greater emphasis on active module use than ever before. The intent here is to create GÇ£waves of opportunityGÇ¥ that allow vehicles to be devastatingGǪ temporarily. Active modules will greatly enhance a vehicleGÇÖs attributes, but when they enter cooldown, the vehicle is left exposed and vulnerable to attack (more on this below). This back-and-forth allows infantry to engage vehicles, but do so knowing that the vehicleGÇÖs pilot has a short window in which he can drastically alter the outcome of any engagement.

CCP Wolfman

Will you include, in this "vehicle pass", an option to use infantry weapons/equipement by vehicle passengers not manning turrets?

Edit:
For LAVs & DSes passengers. HAVs passengers are totally enclosed, so it would be suicidal to fire MD or nade inside it. Or... why not? Things happen...

Seriously Noc??? If they "Split" Driver & Gunner.....there will officially be no point in Speccing into Tanks...... Who wants to "Gimp" their gameplay by sinking SP/ISK/AUR into paying to play "Chauffeur"??? This is the last thing I'd expect to come from you..... Just gimme my SP Refund so I can play AR 514 w/ the rest of the CoDbois......

All I got out of this is you're going to nerf vehicles some more by introducing more restrictions to how they work. Also the ammunition idea is terrible, to be perfectly blunt. They already overheat, they don't need another restriction.

The philosophy for how modules are working is basically how they work already. And what we've learned is that it's a pretty terrible philosophy for the investment unless you plan to make all vehicles absolutely dirt cheap.


Why don't you just copy the EVE capacitor and resistance scheme over to Dust instead of continually dumbing it down? You're underestimating the intelligence of the playerbase.

I think I just read a giant " we are nerfing most aspects of vehicles again" post. Not to say that there are zero positive changes but here is some feedback(not crying):

- Vehicles take immense time and skill to fit and learn to use. This is ok but when you are in a tank engagement there is a lot going on. You have a tank hitting you from in front, swarms hitting you from a tower and/or ground, and some idiot throwing a nano hive down and spamming AV grenades all at the same time. Sometimes forge guns pitch in too. A lot of engagements have all of these elements simultaneously. You have to manage your modules(activate, deactivate, count cooling times and time other modules appropriately), manage turret heat, anticipate and pay attention to all of the map and other team to avoid their AV, and now....... We have to manage ammo as well. It's just one more thing to manage. I'm not complaining about the skills it takes to run a tank/drop ship, I'm giving negative feedback on the fact that you are giving tanks another nerf.

I know that adding ammo and changing the reps etc will make for more meaningful engagements, but; when I die because of someone using a wyrikomi swarm from a hill or I can't kill an AV spammer because all I hear is a 'click' from running out of ammo, it's going to be a large problem. I won't be the only one who will experience this.

It seems tanks will never get a good buff. Leave in OP AV and nerf the tanks. Maybe it will balance out in the long run.

We don't want god mode tanks, we just want tanks that either are cheap or don't die from a couple of swarms, grenades, or forge hits. One or the other.....

CCP, please consider adding emphasis on HP Buffer over HP regen/recharge... This would allow damage that AV does to be far more persistent. Currently, if you inflict damage on a vehicle it will be able to recharge almost all the HP before you can get another shot off.. Or if it can't, it just runs to the other side of the map which it will have all its HP and its cooldown completed.

Wll light weapons still stop shield tank from regen?
Recalling / calling tanks will be a quick way to get ammo. Maybe a long cool down of recall is used.