I have no sympathy for tank drivers. against a top end of the line full skilled properly fitted tank the AV grenades are not that effective, even against armor tanked ones, atleast not when the driver isnt in rambo tunnelvision mode but plays with his brain activated. I have meet several (armor tanked ones too) tanks where I couldnt blow the tank up solo with my proto swarms or AV grenades and only forced the driver to reposition himself.

the actual truth is, tanks can be very durable for a limited amount of time and if you simply do not overextend when your mods are on cooldown you are going to be fine. and if the tank driver sits still without even bothering to move and let a squad sitting on nanohives spam AV nades on him then he obviously deserves to explode.

the only thing I would change is => AV grenades should be restored a bit slower on hives and maybe carry a maximum of 2 but the damage is fine as it is. if a squad manages to spam all their proto nades on single tank at once it should blow up. tanks are meant to be zoning tools and not undestructible killing machines.

What about a distinction between anti LAV grenades and standard AV nades?

Personally I only use AV cus I'm fed up of getting run down by cheap LAV's (still happens) but now the tracking is less responsive (to the point it sometimes doesn't work even is it damn near lands in the drivers lap -_- ) perhaps a little buff to sleek grenades tracking? It won't threaten proper tanks but help against the murder taxies.

When collision is fixed to the point running ppl over takes skill then I'll very gladly switch to flux

Dust 514 : The Importance Of AV Grenades

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw

It takes lots of skill sneaking up on a one hit kill tank with av nades and destroying it...where is your infantry at thats supposed to protect you from av? I remember tank SQUADS that workerd to prevent av attacks...now the majority of players "rambo" it with their tanks and deserve to be destroyed.

Not much less damage, but being able to carry only 2 instead of 3 and less homing would help.

EDIT: I also wish grenades weren't restockable by nanohives and only came back at supply depots.

I don't think AV grenades are too overpowered, unless you have some high ground you generally have to expose yourself to throw them whereas any other AV you can use from almost any distance, though I guess it doesn't make too much sense for them to do as much damage as a forge gun lol. Think the most I would do is have the damage dropped by about 20-25%, could still be used the same way but it would give most vehicles a little more time to activate mods and gtfo.

the thing about lavs is that the turret gunner can be shot out of them...and thats just one prob of many...

As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:


So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicles and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Lets start with AV nades. What are your guys thoughts?

Personally, i find these weapons too versatile and easy to use because you get 3 of them, they hone in your targets, do a massive amount of damage (av naders can bring high passive resist shield tanks down to half shields in 3 throws) and do not require line of sight to destroy vehicles (can throw over cover plus hone in, no accuracy required). They are also effective land mines, and one person can solo a tank with a nano hive. Also, they do not penalize the user in fitting or combat efficiency too much cuz their jus grenades, and you can get proto AV nades by just specing grenadier, there should probably be a skill for AV nades, locus and flux grenades, separately

that's my input, feel free to correct or add on your thoughts but whatever you say, SAY WHY!! We want to give good reasoning behind our opinions

AV grenades should primarily be for dealing with LAV's. Right now, specializing into AV seems redundant when anyone can do just as well with AV grenades. Meanwhile, HAV's are suffering because they're legitimately afraid both of being too close to infantry and of being out in the open. If there's a threat to getting close to infantry, it should be a fear that there could be an AV somewhere in the mix that will fire missiles up your tailpipes from 10m away, not that a bunch of assaults will actually be able to drop you.

The problem I have with telling tankers complaining about AV, "you're rock, I'm paper," is that scissors can also beat rock because of these things. And whereas my militia medic fit has taken out AV players who were trying to destroy friendly tanks, I don't have that kind of scissors-on-paper option with an assault carrying AV grenades.

If AV grenades are weakened against HAV's, or if they require some real specialization not just in SP but in fitting, then we can talk about a more even footing with forges and swarms in terms of damage. Until then, they're putting both vehicles and dedicated anti-vehicle infantry out of a job.

I would like to see AV 'nades homing ability end as soon as they hit the ground, this would take away the ability to make a pile of them in the road ahead of a tank and when he rolls up he gets hit by 6 or 7 at once.

And also i think militia swarms need to be knocked back to either 2 or 3 rockets per shot.