As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:


So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicals and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Lets start with AV nades. What are your guys thoughts?

Personally, i find these weapons too versitle and easy to use because you get 3 of them, they hone in your targets, do a massive amount of damage (av naders can bring high passive resist shield tanks down to half shields in 3 throws) and do not require line of sight to destroy vehicals (can throw over cover plus hone in, no acuracy required). They are also effective land mines, and one person can solo a tank with a nano hive. Also, they do not penalize the user in fitting or combat efficiency too much cuz their jus grenades, and you can get proto AV nades by jus specing grenader, there should prolly be a skill for AV nades, locus and flux grenades, seperatly

thats my input, feel free to correct or add on your thoughts but whatever you say, SAY WHY!! We want to give good reasoning behind our oppinions

all we have ever done on posts is give valid statistics and numbers from the game, its always infantry that are talking about how they cant one shot everything..

Mentioned- stamina.... funny vehicles don't have stamina and a lot of speed - see you were silly enough to stand still discussion.
Mentioned- nano-hives.... I have 4 - 3 can be active and go fast when I am supplying my team so chances are I am only going to get another 3 grenades maybe..... just how infinite is your tank ammo these days? And I am tethered to 7 meter range of my nano in order to get more ammo.

This thread is no where near non-biased all I see is AV grenade guys defending the one thing that is close to OK in this game against people that want the vehicles to rule the universe.... if you want that... why aren't you playing eve? This is dust.

AV grenades should not insta-disappear like vehicles running for the red-line they should stay on the ground for a minumum of 2 minutes, if that proves to be too long... 1:30.

Forgot to mention the team work it needs to take. Where was the logi repping your tank with a repair tool or the dropship overhead repairing you.... you drove off without them or didn't have them because your team of duvolles was hunting down everyone with any sort of AV, then when a person switches after getting killed to non-av to help the guys with AV, you are killed by the tank.

I take comfort in the fact that while ccp may read this, 95% chance they will do whatever the heck they want you or I being little influence on that decision.

AV nades are used as a primary weapon

In pub or PC matches it doesnt matter, see a tank throw your lot at it and its either dead or its half armor and backing off fast

They do way too much damage per nade, they are stronger than mines

I would cut AV nade damage by 50%, make them also explode on impact on the vehicle hull but remove the homing feature, this means that they have to be able to see the vehicle (put themselves at risk) be in range and also be able to hit the vehicle instead of lolhidingwhilelaunchingnadesfromsafespot

hrmmm....what was it called.....OH YEAH supply depots and proximity mines

oh yeah and about that last point, you bet your ass im gonna be pissed if i cant use a tank properly without gunners. i paid 2 mil isk for it. what did you pay for your av nades? like 20k?

If a tanker lets a AV grenadier get close enough to unleash enough grenades to put him down,,, it is his fault, pure and simple and that will never change. Too many tankers these days are not utilizing the small turrets, in fact they b**** and moan when other people get in their tank... Modern fools. I quit tanking but it sure as hell wasn't because of pesky AV grenades. Before I ever pulled out a tank I made sure I had two gunners and they in turn had small turret skills specced up. That is how it is supposed to work. Did we forget?

LAVs should fear mines and grenades more than anything, and it should always be that way. The reason they got the huge buffs was that nobody was skilling into them and CCP went AWWW, nobody is using them, but then naturally they overpowered to compensate. They are in the game for the future hopes of huge maps. Nothing else. Problem is LAVs came out before massive maps and huge 32 man teams. People have lost perspective regarding vehicles.

You can at all times whenever your playing have 2 people online who feel like sitting in a tank for hours on end shooting missle turrets because you cant fit anything else with your blaster build?! should give me their digits because they sound like some low-standard WP hoes.

Oh and had this happen a few games ago actually...had a guy in the LLAV repping me...was nice until he though he was saving me,charged in,slammed into my ass while I was backing up and killed the both of us...LLAV reppers yeah....

If a tanker lets a AV grenadier get close enough to unleash enough grenades to put him down,,, it is his fault, pure and simple and that will never change. Too many tankers these days are not utilizing the small turrets, in fact they b**** and moan when other people get in their tank... Modern fools. I quit tanking but it sure as hell wasn't because of pesky AV grenades. Before I ever pulled out a tank I made sure I had two gunners and they in turn had small turret skills specced up. That is how it is supposed to work. Did we forget?

LAVs should fear mines and grenades more than anything, and it should always be that way. The reason they got the huge buffs was that nobody was skilling into them and CCP went AWWW, nobody is using them, but then naturally they overpowered to compensate. They are in the game for the future hopes of huge maps. Nothing else. Problem is LAVs came out before massive maps and huge 32 man teams. People have lost perspective regarding vehicles.

They dont have to get close thats another problem

I can have gunners while they bunny hop around launching nades at me, mights aswell get out of the tank and kill them instead which is better than using the small turrets half the time

Either that or we cant shoot at them because joe nameth is launching nades from a safe spot and having the homing crutch doing all the work for them

No, I quit tanking because you cannot make a proper fit to accommodate the need for your gunners to have effective turrets. But this thread was about AV grenades so I didn't get into it. The way we USED to do it was three tankers get together, since they all had turret skills and tanks were expensive we'd take turns pulling out tanks and manning the small turrets. Uprising ruined tanks and now people as I say,,, have lost perspective on what vehicles are supposed to be doing and how they operate.

Same as my last post, tank fittings are broken, lack of good gunners and turrets to counter, and that is that. But you want to blame the AV grenades.... I was good at tanking, this thread has the wrong goal. Tanks are broken, not grenades.

AV nades are used as a primary weapon

In pub or PC matches it doesnt matter, see a tank throw your lot at it and its either dead or its half armor and backing off fast

They do way too much damage per nade, they are stronger than mines

I would cut AV nade damage by 50%, make them also explode on impact on the vehicle hull but remove the homing feature, this means that they have to be able to see the vehicle (put themselves at risk) be in range and also be able to hit the vehicle instead of lolhidingwhilelaunchingnadesfromsafespot

The ability to throw grenades farther than you can spit?

for the love of god Soozu just stop posting on the thread, yes tanks have issues, yes they need to be fixed,but this thread is about AV nades and is supposedly here in order to give the team working on vehicles/weaponry (praying for your sanity wolfman) an idea from the players perspective on how we'd like the nades to effect other vehicles, if you just want to say tanks are broken find one of the 60000000000000 thread crying about it.

And I'll say it again: Do you have any idea what it's like to watch half your armor melt away from one swarm volley?

Same as my last post, tank fittings are broken, lack of good gunners and turrets to counter, and that is that. But you want to blame the AV grenades.... I was good at tanking, this thread has the wrong goal. Tanks are broken, not grenades.

Wait a minute they are stonger than mines? I'll assume you mean proxies here but even so you are blantently wrong. The strength in proxy mines lies in being able to dump large numbers of them in likely tank/LAV pathways and letting them do their thing. Since they don't require any active use by the trooper dropping them they are far more powerful than an AV nade. The one caviate to this is that the mine dropping merc. must place them inteligently which is, I will admit, kind of a large hurdle for many players.

I would also like to point out that proxy mines can be staked on top of remote explosives. When the proxy mine goes off so does the remote causing 2000+ damage in a single blast. That is way more than you will ever get from 2 av nades.

Good topic, OP.

I would rework the ENTIRE Anti-Vehicle weapon system.

AV Grenades should simply cease to exist. That said, the Proximity Explosive should be removed to.

AV Grenades & current Proxis should be replaced by a Claymore-style proximity explosive that detonates upon detection of BOTH infantry AND vehicles.
The cone of detection for the claymore can be adjusted when it's being set, and they should be retrievable for repositioning.
2000 damage per explosive set. When they are set together correctly, it should be more than enough to blow those pesky LLAVS to kingdom come.
As it stands right now, LAVs can literally pass by Proxis just by turning a little. The proxi won't detonate unless the LAV comes within 2 or 3 meters, and that's horseshit.

The new directional explosive will have a detection CONE (not sphere) of 7- 10 meters. This way you only need 2 or 3 well placed claymores to deny an LAV access to a position, and they simply can't just drive around it.
Let the explosive have a nice large model too, because of how it functions, people can't miss it; so it can be used in vs. infantry situations, like preventing enemies from crossing a bridge.

Give it a 3-second setup and activation time/animation, to discourage people from using it recklessly in the middle of firefights.
(Example, walking right in front of a heavy and trying to drop the mine on him while he is shooting at you. The timer will prevent stupid "im a genius." bs like that.)

If you read this whole thread like you really should have, you would know whos ALT i am, even more reason to disregard what you have to say here.

months if not Years of nerf and buff tweaks....soooooooooo the fact we're getting a full rebalance in 1.5 for vehicles by the same team handling weaponry translates into months & years...if we can be constructive and not just ***** & cry MAYBE just MAYBE we can get something good out of 1.5, simply stating "CCP is going do whatever they want or Tanks are going to be broken forever QQQQQQQ." does not come anywhere near the term "constructive".

I'm done replying to you here Soozu, if you want to cry about tanks there is a thread in regards to them on the front page, go cry there.

I did read it and I see now,, you're role playing as different toons giving different perspectives and you're one of the QQ internet meme people,, yes I see very well.
My two cents in the thread is exactly that you think it is not. Constructive. A thread each for each type of vehicle and AV weapon misses the big picture for 1.5 and the parts fail to address the whole. I have reminded CCP what the original purpose was to vehicles, why there are three seats in a tank,,, and a LAV, and how and why that no longer works and as a result the whole system is wonky.

And I did tank but you're right, never in PC as uprising duffed the AV vs Vehicle balance and it is yet to be sorted.